Story Of Very Sudden H1N1 Child Death

The H1N1 flu continues to kill young people.  Far from dropping, the numbers are rising.  What is particularly horrible is how suddenly a thriving, young person can go from being ‘normal’ to suddenly dying….this is no joke.  This isn’t some dissatisfied cheerleader who gets a shot and then can run backwards.  These are DEAD CHILDREN.  Who would dearly love to run backwards.  Or just live, for that matter.  I am including a long excerpt from the Canadian news that details exactly how a young hockey player died in his father’s arms.  It is heartbreaking.

Father struggles with son’s death from flu – The Globe and Mail

It had all happened so quickly. On Saturday, his 13-year-old son Evan was sick with the flu, but still playing hockey. By Monday morning, Mr. Frustaglio was holding his son’s limp body in his arms, trying frantically to revive him. .

After patiently giving dozens of interviews, the grief finally overwhelmed him. As he embraced a friend outside his home, he let out a long, painful cry that echoed along the quiet suburban street. .

“My boy is gone,” he said. “My God, my baby. He’s gone.”… .

…Around 2 p.m., she took him to a walk-in clinic at the Six Points plaza in Etobicoke. The clinic is an MCI Doctor’s Office, part of a chain of clinics in Ontario, Alberta and B.C. Evan vomited while he waited to be seen. .

“The doctor said his lungs are fine and that he’s breathing okay. He’s got slight redness in his throat. But he didn’t feel at this juncture there was any reason to prescribe any medications like antibiotics or Tamiflu,” Mr. Frustaglio said. .

Evan continued to vomit overnight. By Monday morning, he was feeling a little better. Around 11 a.m., he asked his father to draw him a bath. .

“I just wasn’t happy with the way he took the bath. He went from him being reasonable in the morning to lethargic. He had a sort of heat rash on his leg. I said I don’t like that. Father’s intuition, I just didn’t feel good about it,” he said. .

A few minutes later, Mr. Frustaglio was about to dial his family doctor when he heard the patter of his son’s feet returning to the bathroom. .

I said, “Evan where are you going? And he said, “I’m just going to the bathroom, Dad.” I said, ‘You okay?’ and he said, “Yeah, I’m okay.” .

Mr. Frustaglio walked downstairs to find Evan curled up on the floor. At first he thought he was trying to ease his fever on the cool, marble tile. He tried to help his son to his feet. .

“I start picking him up and he collapses. And that’s it,” his father said, fighting back tears. “The way he collapsed in my arms, he had nothing. His body just went limp.” .

Paramedics arrived within minutes to rush Evan to hospital, but he never regained consciousness.

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I grit my teeth, reading this tragic story.  This isn’t someone who claims that felt this or that after a flu shot.  This is a direct cause and effect moment: the disease killed this child with tremendous speed.  It is a strange disease.  It doesn’t kill everyone showing the same symptoms. It kills with a certain frivolity which is why it doesn’t have the kill rate of say, dengue fever.

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But it is a very nasty killer.  If you can’t tell if it is a mere slight flu or death, how do you deal with it?  This is why more and more parents will change from pooh-poohing the swine flu and running off to get shots for their own children.  Look at today’s stories about the fatalities in the last 24 hours.  Remember, this is merely a sample:

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Vt. Reports 1st H1N1 Death; Ruins Hundreds of Doses

WCAX – ‎3 hours ago‎
Wednesday the Health Department said Vermont is seeing widespread sickness from the H1N1flu in all parts of the state. Case numbers are still rising, 

Possible H1N1 Death at Sioux City Hospital

KCAU – ‎3 hours ago‎
H1N1 may be to blame in the death of a patient at Sioux City’s Mercy Medical Center. According to a spokesperson for Mercy Medical Center, a young man in 

Houston Area’s H1N1 Death Toll Up to 18

MyFox Houston – Mena El-Sharkawi – ‎12 minutes ago‎
HOUSTON – The H1N1 death toll in the Houston area is now up to 18, FOX 26 News has learned. Harris County reported Wednesday that of a male between the ages 
Island woman dies of swine flu Galveston County Daily News

Alberta adds clinics as H1N1 death toll rises

Calgary Herald – Michelle Lang – ‎5 hours ago‎
By Michelle Lang, Calgary heraldoctober 28, 2009 11:59 amcomments (66) CALGARY – As medical officials confirmed three more H1N1-related deaths in the 

CL man is mchenry County’s first H1N1 death

Northwest Herald – ‎9 hours ago‎
CRYSTAL LAKE – A 50-year-old Crystal Lake man has been the first person in mchenry County whose deathhas been attributed to the H1N1 flu. 
The Star-Ledger – NJ.com – Sandra Lee – ‎6 hours ago‎
H1N1, also known as swine flu, has once again received more media attention since the deathof a 17-year-old Burlington County student was determined to be 

H1N1 deaths in Utah

Examiner.com – ‎13 minutes ago‎
There was also a previously unreported H1N1 death of a Utah County female age 5 to 24. In Utah last week the circulation rate of influenza rose to 9.4% from 

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Thanks to the internet, half of the populace has become convinced that there is either no real epidemic or that flu shots will do nasty things like make you run backwards while yakking.  Well, guess what?  This is DAMN SERIOUS.  We get to play ‘Darwin’s Lottery’ if we just sit idle and ignore this disease.  Or use all sorts of nostrums that are utterly ineffective.  Again: this boy died with virtually NO WARNING.  He was able to walk forwards and talk as well as take a bath, minutes before he collapsed and died on the spot.  I can’t tell everyone who frightful I find this news.  I have young adult children and I worry about this.  A lot.

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I predicted last spring that the deaths would drop during the summer and people would make fun of this deadly epidemic and then it would resurge in the fall and there would be a delay in reacting to it and only after a number of significant deaths would many parents besiege health authorities, begging for vaccinations.  Well, this week we are beginning to see the first agitations for more vaccinations as the 49% of parents are waking up to reality.  When the other 51% change their minds at the last minute, we will see a stampede.

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Just remember: I give the news here and this is real, real  news.  And if this irritates people, they can go off and do as they please.  But don’t try convincing me that flu shots are evil.  They are lifesavers. Now, on to more health news:

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BBC NEWS | Health | Curry spice ‘kills cancer cells’

An extract found in the bright yellow curry spice turmeric can kill off cancer cells, scientists have shown. The chemical – curcumin – has long been thought to have healing powers and is already being tested as a treatment for arthritis and even dementia.

. Now tests by a team at the Cork Cancer Research Centre show it can destroy gullet cancer cells in the lab. Cancer experts said the findings in the British Journal of Cancer could help doctors find new treatments.

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I may sound demented sometimes but I happen to also love curry.  So maybe I won’t get dementia!  On the other hand, I eat a lot of curry and I have arthritis.  So can that business.  Actually, the entire reason we have ‘drugs’ is to DISTILL elements found in nature so that it works better.  For example, I do not eat curry every day.  So I would appreciate pills that have this curcumin in some form that is easy to pop in my mouth.  And I will still eat curry.

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And now to other news that is important to me because I live where there are lots of very large coyotes and I have shot at these predators in the past:

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Toronto singer killed by coyotes – The Globe and Mail

Taylor Mitchell, a singer-songwriter from Toronto, was attacked by coyotes in Cape Breton and has died in hospital. .

She was hiking alone on the Skyline trail in Cape Breton Highlands National Park on Tuesday when she was attacked by two coyotes. Other hikers walking behind her heard her cries for help and called 911. .

She was airlifted to hospital in Halifax, listed in critical condition, but she succumbed to her injuries early this morning.

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Here is this beautiful young singer’s web page:  Taylor Mitchell on MySpace Music – Free Streaming MP3s, Pictures & Music Downloads

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She was only 18 years old.  She was not as irritable and mean as myself.  When I go hiking, even when young, I took along a slingshot and walking staff.  I used the slingshot a great deal on domestic dogs, coyotes, a mountain lion, rattlers and most of all, creepy male humans.  Since I used this slingshot a lot, I had pretty good aim.  And the desert was full of sharp rocks.

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But the main thing here is how coyotes are getting much bolder.  Just last week, I was startled out of my slumber by the screams of a pack of coyotes ripping up someone’s pet dog down in the village below.  My own dogs rushed outside and began barking like crazy.  I couldn’t shoot at them since it was too dark and they were across the road.  But if they come up here, I will shoot at them, they kill livestock.

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Just one month ago, in Chatham, I was working on a property there and my boss and I saw this gangly, tall wolf-like coyote amble across the road.  We both put down our tools and whistled.  Wow.  I never saw one that big before.  Due to a drop off in hunting and trapping, all sorts of wild game are abounding from deer to coyotes.  Just three days ago, I was up in the deep woods, hauling out fallen oak branches the size of small trees and stumbled upon six deer in one small glade.

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Nature is beautiful but also red in tooth and claw.  We can’t roam around, blissfully unaware of this.  Just as we must take care when dealing with nature’s smallest and most insidious killers, germs.

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  1. larry, dfh

    The coyotes in the North-East are supposedly wolf-coyote crosses. The theory is that coyotes migrated to the North-East U.S. from the west, through Canada, and picked up some wolf along the way. I saw one outside Walpole, MA. It was German Shepherd-sized. My son saw one near Wellesley High School, in a very populated area in MA.
    And as for turmeric, even though it is fantastically yellow, most pickle manufacturers would rather use Yellow #5, which I consider nasty.

  2. @Elaine and Larry, dfh: I lived in Arlington, Mass. in the 1990s and read about coyotes moving into the Commonwealth (Mass.). Now ten to fifteen years later they’re in the suburbs outside of Rte. 128! How long before they’ll be in Dorchester and Quincy?????

  3. Katya

    Turmeric is available in capsules at some health food stores. I also have a relative that used to buy bulk turmeric and make up her own capsules.

  4. justiceatsqualor

    and I was worried about bears. . . thanks for the heads-up.

    Also got the family vaccinated except the infant. Apparently they won’t give the vaccine to anyone under six months because infants can sometimes have additional vulnerabilities and reactions to vaccines that need to be tested. But testing hasn’t occurred for the H1N1 vaccine since it’s been out even though H1N1 is arguably most lethal to infants. Those in contact with infants apparently get priority for the vaccine, however. Overall, it seems poorly planned.

    Distribution management is worse. I can understand rationing to emergency workers first. But I’ve seen vaccination stations set up at fire-stations in wealthy towns without any news coverage that I haven’t seen set up in poorer towns. I hope I just missed something and that isn’t the norm.

    Interestingly, some of the anti-vaccination folks of various belief systems who declined the vaccination are clamoring for it now that supplies are short and there are news of infrequent deaths. . .

  5. nah

    people are regularly sick at my work… i even got sick… bad cold and flu season
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    sick is dumb

  6. PLovering

    Lotsa victims here this evening.

    No one mentions the young men dying of testicular cancer from avian flu contaminated
    vaccine, or the crippled soldiers with Gulf War Syndrome and breast cancers due to anthrax contaminated vaccines.

    I signed up with Sibel Edmounds at http://www.boilingfrogspost.com … a deserving creature if ever there was one.

    Elaine, other wordpress sites are noted on the Edmonds’ front page. Why not rattle wordpress PTB and get yourself listed?

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    ELAINE; No one mentions the ‘contaminated vaccine’ because no children are dying suddenly from it. In fact, I don’t think your missing stories about contaminated vaccinations are in the news because they are not news.

  7. That coyote thing was damn strange, guess yours are bigger ,but as someone who follows the wilderness news, they just aren’t considered a threat, even stories about wolves are rare [thanks to Farley Mowat wolves never attack humans]. Even pit bulls never kill adults and mostly just injure children.

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    ELAINE: By far and away, the #1 predator killer of children are pit bulls. And wolves do kill. So do bears and mountain lions. Nature can be red in tooth and claw.

  8. criticalcontrarian

    @Katya: a teaspoon of turmeric a day, part in your scrambled eggs (I prefer scrambled tofu), some in your rice. Some people are brave enough to just push it down with a glass of water. :-)

    @nah: don’t for get your Vitamin D, I personally augment it with Airborne to increase its efficacy.

  9. Sky

    @ blues ” I still don’t know much about the vaccines. ”

    I’ll focus on the influenza vaccines here . Influenza viruses need living cells in order to replicate. Big Pharma uses eggs to replicate these viruses for use in vaccines.

    But to say they use ” eggs” is a huge lie of omission. That’s just Big Pharma’s sanitized version of reality, because eggs are merely the containers for what they DO use- 11-13 day old chicken embryos. And they use a very specific part of the embryo called the allantois. The allantois is part of the embryo’s excretory system.

    After the flu viruses have replicated for 2-3 days within the chick’s allantoic sac, the embryos are killed by chilling ( to avoid further contamination of the allantoic fluid through hemmorhagic leaking).

    The allantoic fluids are now ready for harvesting. These fluids are rich in replicated influenza viruses …..and equally rich in the pathogens and viruses inherent within the chick embryo itself.

    After harvesting, the fluid now undergoes various chemical and mechanical processes in an attempt to destroy everything but the flu viruses themselves – eg. various tissues of the chick embryo, red blood cells, bits of shell ,pathogens ,etc.

    Formaldehyde, thimerosol, various aluminum compounds and whatnot are essential to this ” purification” process.

    If the vaccine is to contain a DEAD flu virus, then one can hope that all other contaminants like chicken cancer cells and avian viruses have been killed alongside the flu viruses.The thimerosols and the adjuvants in the vaccines that are injected directly into one’s bloodstream are toxic in their own right….but one can hope that at least these chemicals have killed all avian viruses.

    However, when using attenuated ( weakened) viruses in a LIVE vaccine , prepare to lose all hope.The flu viruses are produced in and swimming in the bodily fluids of the chicken embryo. Attenuated flu viruses are then only weakened (not killed) …so WHATEVER ELSE is swimming alongside of the flu viruses is ALSO only weakened, not killed.

    FYI : About the chick fluid that is used to grow the flu viruses :

    Snippets

    “….The egg itself has a blunt end where there is an air space or air sac. Underlining the shell is the fibrous eggshell membrane. Unlike the other tissues in the egg, the shell membrane does not contain live cells; consequently, it will not support virus replication. ”

    “….By the 10th day the allantois becomes attached to the outer layer of the amniotic sac and the inner layer of the chorion to form the chorioallantoic sac….. Because the chorioallantoic sac represents a diverticulum of the gut, it serves as the excretory receptacle for the embryo. ”

    ” It contains from 5 to 10 ml of fluid with dissolved solids, the solution being clear in early stages but becoming turbid after the 12th day ….”

    http://www.microbelibrary.org/Virus/details.asp?id=2402&Lang=

  10. Sky

    Then there’s this :

    “With confirmed cases of human-to-human transmission of the avian influenza virus, scientists are now warning that mass vaccination of domestic poultry may hinder detection of the deadly H5N1 strain of the disease……mass vaccination can also serve to disguise the presence of any H5N1 that manages to survive in innoculated flocks, and thus pose a great danger…..”

    http://www.foodproductiondaily.com/Supply-Chain/Scientists-issue-caution-against-mass-poultry-vaccination

    And again, here :

    “H5N1 influenza viruses found in chickens seized at Vietnam’s border with China in 2008 show a surprising level of genetic diversity, suggesting that the viruses are evolving rapidly and raising questions about disease surveillance and the effectiveness of prepandemic H5N1 vaccines…….

    “Sims said the antigenic changes in the clade 7 virus might potentially have been spurred by poultry vaccination efforts. “We need to balance measures to reduce the amount of circulating virus, which vaccination of poultry can do, against the potential ‘harm’ that might occur if antigenic variants emerge,” he stated.

    http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/avianflu/news/apr1409vietnam.html

    Ah, so vaccines DO circulate viruses? What a surprise. Well, not really. Go to the CDC sites …they know all about this, especially when it comes to OPV ( oral polio vaccines).

  11. emsnews

    Sky, you worry and worry about this and that and another thing while not giving a hoot about dying children. It shows up in everything you post here. It also disgusts me.

    I still remember your hysteria about a backwards running female. Oh, the mercy! But a dead child: nada.

  12. emsnews

    About viruses in Vietnamese chickens: it is due to primitive farming methods. Which you seem to approve of, evidently.

  13. JSmith

    “Actually, the entire reason we have ‘drugs’ is to DISTILL elements found in nature so that it works better.”

    I keep banging on that, but there will always be those who’d rather gnaw on a root.

    Coyotes are all over the place now, in urban as well as rural areas. Lately I’ve been carrying the .45 in the bike bag when I go on trail rides (yes, I’m licensed.)

    Blues: “I once went to the biochemistry department of the local university and informed them that they were building a Frankenstein, but they merely mumbled a little.”

    Do you know what they mumbled? I do. They mumbled, “Freakin’ wierdo…”

    I agree on the colloidal silver, though – for some people, that advice comes too late. Now they look like… silverware.

  14. Sky

    Here’s another source of how vaccines SPREAD viruses and promote their mutation. This time from the CDC itself.

    Read it and weep, vaccine promoters. Will you guys now add the CDC to your list of wacko, conspiracy sites ? You’re going to have to, if you want to discount THIS info too.

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    “After initial hesitation about using a wide-scale program of poultry vaccination, some European and Asian countries have begun vaccination. Inactivated vaccines are widely used in poultry but lack of critical potency testing, standardization, and quality control has led to variable and suboptimal immune responses. Moreover, a legitimate concern remains that the fowl vaccinated by attenuated live viruses may survive the disease but still carry the virus; thus, they would continue to spread influenza (H5N1) silently at the flock level (8) or to humans who come into contact with them. Vaccination that resulted in low levels of seroconversion facilitated the emergence of the Fujian-like sublineage of influenza (H5N1) in poultry.”

    http://www.cdc.gov/eid/content/13/10/1512.htm

    Some of that snippet bears repeating : ”

    Vaccination….facilitated the emergence of the Fujian-like sublineage of influenza( H5N1) in poultry.”

    Can you understand this ? Vaccines are HELPING viruses MUTATE !!!!!

  15. Kelly

    My company Has the H1N1 vaccine. You can find a clinic in your area by going to our website http://www.getmyflushot.com

  16. Sky

    @ JSmith /emsnews – The real danger isn’t this current influenza. Avian ( H5N1) has a 60-70 percent kill rate. If H5N1 becomes aerosolized( human-to-human-transmission) then we have a REAL problem on our hands.

    Poultry vaccines are AIDING in the mutation of this absolutely deadly virus via either antigenic drift or antigenic shift . And you guys continue to promote vaccines. Go figure !

    Here’s some happy-happy talk from one of the world’s biggest vaccine manufacturers :

    “Welcome to CSL Biotherapies where delivering vaccines is our mission — protecting lives, our passion”

    http://www.cslbiotherapies-us.com/s1/cs/becs/1160756085082/content/1160756085001/home.htm

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    But their happy-happy propaganda doesn’t quite match up with what’s happening in the REAL world.

    “CSL fails to take proper corrective actions.”

    ” A May 5-15 , 2008 inspection revealed 14 violations at influenza vaccine manufacturer CSL Biotherapies.”

    “inadequate corrective action was taken after a breach in percentages of inoculum eggs rejects.A deviation report noted that from January to April 2008, the percentage of rejected eggs fell outside the alert limit. However, the firm failed to determine the possible cause of the increase in the rejection rate before removing the alert limit.”

    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/CSL+fails+to+take+proper+corrective+actions.-a0202645020

    So we have a lot of reject vaccine eggs in one of the world’s biggest vaccine makers, do we ?

    And judging by this vaccine maker’s reaction, this must be a common place occurrence Because pharma’s response was – yaawwn ! Business as usual . Big Pharma couldn’t be bothered to find the REASON for all those bad eggs.

    But I’m sure there’s no cause for alarm here. It couldn’t POSSIBLY have been H5N1 circulating amongst the flock that produced those reject eggs. Or could it ?

  17. emsnews

    The Avian flu problem is nearly entirely in places with PRIMITIVE chicken handling conditions. Egyptian or Vietnamese peasants don’t have their chickens vaccinated.

    And over the last 50 years, neither have any of my many hundreds of chickens I have raised ever had any vaccinations. TOO EXPENSIVE.

  18. JSmith

    “Moreover, a legitimate concern remains that the fowl vaccinated by attenuated live viruses may survive the disease but still carry the virus…”

    I’m not “fowl”. Neither is anyone else I know.

  19. JSmith

    Besides, that’s missing the point.

    If you carry the virus but you don’t get sick, the vaccine has served its intended purpose.

  20. PLovering

    Another vaccine bites the dust.

    http://www.theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1436%3Agardasil-researcher-drops-a-bombshell&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=64&lang=en

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    ELAINE: I will note that you dropped the goofy running backwards cheerleader as an excuse.

  21. CK

    The number one killer of children is adults.
    Coyotes ate a singer, dingos ate a baby, first time for both.

  22. PLovering

    “Vaccine doesn’t match strain in circulation and is so weak that anti-bodies produced are not sufficient for many, particularly in high risk groups.”

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi130.html

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    ELAINE: Did it ever occur to you that this guy is insane? I knew him, once upon a time….

  23. DrKrbyLuv

    French Citizens File Complaint: Vaccine Is Attempt to Poison Population

    Le Monde – Nine persons of Isère complaint filed against X. .., Friday, October 23 in Grenoble, denouncing the campaign of vaccination against influenza H1N1 as a “genuine attempt to poison” of the population, a first in France to be followed by other complaints , said their lawyer.

    The complaint with a civil action, also filed for “attempted administration of substances (…) likely to cause death”, was delivered to senior judges of the Tribunal de Grande Instance de Grenoble, said Jean-Pierre Joseph. The plaintiffs are nine residents of the Valley Grésivaudan, including a health professional, a radio host and teacher, who met in public meetings devoted to particular risks assumed vaccine against H1N1 influenza.

    http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2009/10/23/le-vaccin-h1n1-entraine-une-plainte-contre-x-pour-tentative-d-empoisonnement_1257803_3224.html#xtor=RSS-3208

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    Scientific Paper On H1N1 Vaccines Questions Wisdom of Mass Vaccination & Use Of Adjuvanted Vaccines

    n editorial, dated the 23rd of October in the journal Medical cover-mediumMicrobiology and Immunology, titled: ‘Possible hidden hazards of mass vaccination against new influenza A/H1N1: have the cardiovascular risks been adequately weighed?’ by Bhakdi et al, has suggested that vaccinating the population now is unwarranted, given how mild the H1N1 virus has been.

    The authors, based in Germany, also have questioned the wisdom of using adjuvanted vaccines, in light of the scientific evidence which indicates that their use may aggravate underlying conditions.

    Furthermore, they have highlighted the fact that safety trials have not taken a range of side effects into account and thus, a mass vaccination program may be followed by the emergence of a range of serious adverse effects, that were not anticipated.

    http://clareswinney.wordpress.com/

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  24. DrKrbyLuv

    PLovering wrote:

    I signed up with Sibel Edmounds at http://www.boilingfrogspost.com … a deserving creature if ever there was one.
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    Sibel Edmonds is an American hero for courageously stepping forward as a whistle blower.

    I still can’t believe that her deposition some weeks back never made the corporate news.

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    ELAINE: She did make the news. The fact that it didn’t rise to the degree you wanted is due to many factors including the fact that she had nothing but ALLEGATIONS and no PROOFS. A very serious problem with any whistle blower.

  25. Joe

    Sibel Edmunds did not make the news because it did not happen. Did you not get Elaine’s memo, if it’s not in the news, it’s not news!

    Elaine, did it ever occur to you that you may be insane?

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    ELAINE: If it is insane to insist on proof and logic, then I am crazy as a loon.

  26. larry, dfh

    jsmith: the reason we have drugs is so companies can make $$. That’s why there is progestin in birth-control pills, and not progesterone, which was not patentable at the time. Progestin has side-effects, progesterone does not (unless you are Manny Ramirez), according to what I’ve read. In the end, it’s all about the ‘intellectual property’, not about health and wellness.

  27. emsnews

    The reason we have drugs is so people can get well. Don’t be childish about all this. And do note that the antivaccinationists all peddle all sorts of oddball ‘drugs’ themselves!

  28. libra

    How do they know that it was H1N1 that killed the boy? Was the lab test done?
    Heat rash? Could it be meningitis?
    MAAN.

  29. JSmith

    “jsmith: the reason we have drugs is so companies can make $$.”

    And your point would be … ? Drug companies are in business to make money? No shit… who knew?

    News flash: so are car companies, computer companies, and herbal healing stores. This isn’t Communist Russia – everything you use on a daily basis was provided by someone who made money on the deal at some point. (Glad you’ve figured that out!)

    Now that that’s settled… we have to recognize there are tradeoffs in life. As a salubrious side-effect of all that profiteering, we have stuff like fast internet connections, well-supplied groceries, etc. – and five-year survival rates for many forms of cancer are really pretty good.

  30. bringmethefinestwines

    Curry is my favourite dish…we have a massive stock of spices here. In France it is difficult to get a good curry so I make my own from base.

    The UK’s national dish is now curry hehe.
    ΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩ

    ELAINE: So true. I come from upper class English stock and the food was BLAND as hell. And on top of that, everything gets boiled to death. We were saved from the fate of bad cuisine by the warm climate spicy food. I remember my mother boiling everything limp before she learned how to cook real food. :)

  31. JT

    Pls people get vaccinated if you can.

    I just watched an interview of a 19 year old boy who was hospitalized due to H1N1.
    He had no asthma or pre-existing conditions. He was really beaten down and miserable.
    This thing hits young people under 30 and it is severe and it seems to hit young people the same way it did in 1918. We will never get the same number of dead as we did in 1918 due to medical advances but this can kill and it spreads faster in cold climates.
    It seems to spread superfast when the temperature goes below 0 degrees. It exploded in Lapland and the north of my country last week.
    Here we will get it countrywide in 2-3 weeks and so far we had time to vaccinate only the medical staff and pregnant women.

    “Transmission of influenza virus in temperate zones is predominantly by aerosol, in the tropics by contact: A hypothesis”

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/rrn/RRN1002

  32. emsnews

    Thanks for the information from Finland, JT. There is a global shortage of the vaccination which completely destroys the stupid story made up by antivaccinationist agitators that there is this stupid scheme of some shadowy elites to kill us via vaccinations.

    Not to mention, everyone, without exception, that I know that has gotten the H1N1 vaccination has had absolutely NO PROBLEMS AT ALL. Nada. None. Not even slight swelling of the arm where the shot was administered. Nothing.

  33. DrKrbyLuv

    ELAINE wrote, regarding Sibel Edmonds:

    “She did make the news. The fact that it didn’t rise to the degree you wanted is due to many factors including the fact that she had nothing but ALLEGATIONS and no PROOFS. A very serious problem with any whistle blower.”
    _________________________

    Elaine, you incorrect on this as Sibel has routinely referred to documents, dates, and names and she references many of the documents from her work in the FBI.

    If you read more about her I think you’d agree. She is a public hero in my book, a rare and precious item.

    Maybe you are concerned because she has lots of evidence regarding 9/11. Her testimony was eliminated from the 9/11 commission report and classified.

    Her testimony led to Sen. Bob Graham; ranking member of the Senate intelligence committee and a leader of the joint congressional inquiry into the Sept. 11 attacks, to make some incredible statements during an interview with Gwen Ifill of PBS Newshour:
    __________________________

    Q – Gwen Ifill: “Senator Graham, are there elements in this report, which are classified that Americans should know about but can’t?”

    A – Senator Bob Graham: “Yes, going back to your question about what was the greatest surprise. I agree with what Senator Shelby said the degree to which agencies were not communicating was certainly a surprise but also I was surprised at the evidence that there were foreign governments involved in facilitating the activities of at least some of the terrorists in the United States.”

    “I am stunned that we have not done a better job of pursuing that to determine if other terrorists received similar support and, even more important, if the infrastructure of a foreign government assisting terrorists still exists for the current generation of terrorists who are here planning the next plots.”

    “To me that is an extremely significant issue and most of that information is classified, I think overly-classified. I believe the American people should know the extent of the challenge that we face in terms of foreign government involvement. That would motivate the government to take action.”

    Q – Gwen Ifill: “Do you think that will ever become public, which countries you’re talking about?”

    A – Senator Bob Graham: “It will become public at some point when it’s turned over to the archives, but that’s 20 or 30 years from now. And, we need to have this information now because it’s relevant to the threat that the people of the United States are facing today.”
    __________________________

    Imagine if back in 1941, the president telling the American people that we were attacked at Pearl Harbor…then upon questions, he would say “I am not allowed to say who attacked us, it’s classified.”

    It is unacceptable and evidence of a conspiracy for our government not to tell us the truth. I for one hope Sibel continues to bravely trek on, sooner or later, the people are going to hear what she has to say.

  34. WNC Observer

    Turmeric is also frequently an ingredient in prepared mustards – gives it the yellow color, and apparently some tang. Unlike, curry, mustard is something you probably could contrive to have on your menu every day.

    I am not sure if the vinegar which also is an ingredient would denature the relevant proteins; for that matter, I am not sure what cooking a curry would do to them.

  35. DrKrbyLuv

    The Goal of Every H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine:
    Immunotoxicity, Neurotoxicity and Sterility

    Science dictates that only a randomized double-blind, placebo-controlled study can generate unbiased results in any clinical trial. In the history of vaccine development, no such study has ever been performed. It is only unscientific opinions and pharmaceutical propaganda which have propelled the mythological validity, safety and effectiveness of vaccines. Dozens of controlled studies have scientifically verified the immunotoxicty, neurotoxicity and sterility of common vaccine ingredients which destroy human health, yet they are all ignored by conventional medicine.

    There should be a public outcry and challenge to every public health official, medical specialist or scientist (from any country) who justifies the inoculation of their population without providing the evidence of safety and effectiveness of the respective H1N1 vaccine in their country.

    Since the pharmacokinetic properties of vaccines are not studied, vaccine manufacturers cannot deny any of the toxic effects listed below. The reason they never analyze the absorption, distribution, metabolism or excretion of these ingredients is because it would eradicate the vaccine industry. However the individual effects of each ingredient and their toxic effects on cells are well documented.

    http://preventdisease.com/news/09/103009_vaccine_sterility_immunotoxicity_neurotoxicity.shtml

  36. emsnews

    HAHAHA. First, the antivaccinationists claimed the vaccine would KILL us. Then, they had ‘proof’ it was bad: it would make stupid cheerleaders run backwards while yakking.

    When this didn’t do the trick, they claimed it made us stupid. Now, it will shrink guy’s dicks and make them sterile.

    Whoo hoo. How about it making it more likely you will be kidnapped by aliens and subjected to anal probes?

  37. DrKrbyLuv

    Elaine wrote:

    “Now, it will shrink guy’s dicks and make them sterile.”
    _______________________

    Hokey smokes! No way I’m ever getting the damned vaccine now. I’ve never needed more, but I don’t think I have any to spare either.
    _______________________
    _______________________

    Elaine wrote:

    Whoo hoo. How about it making it more likely you will be kidnapped by aliens and subjected to anal probes?
    _______________________

    An alien race of Amazon women living without men, or little green guys?

  38. PLovering

    The World Health Organization (WHO), after consulting with their Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) and Secretariat Director of Immunizations of Vaccines and Bilogicals (IVB) not to mention Secretariat-Director of Implementing New and Under-utilized Vaccines (INUV), has decided to recommend NOT to vaccinate children younger than 10 years old.

    Better late than never.

    http://tinyurl.com/ye2jrx5

    Secretariat Czar of Global Immunization Vision and Strategy (GIVS) was, most likely, the deciding vote.

    ΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩ

    ELAINE: Europe has increasingly turned against vaccinations for children with the dire result of increasing child deaths and lifelong health problems due to easily eradicated diseases. These, in turn, are spreading to the US as my story shows.

    And how are these people going to square things with all the parents of ALL the DEAD CHILDREN in this present epidemic? Tell them to suck it up? Tell them that it is better to die, than to have some unprovable alternative? How is ‘good health’ connected to children dead due to viruses or bacterial agents?

  39. Sky

    Flashback : Here’s the brief vid where Mike Wallace ( 60 Minutes) investigates the deadly swine flu vaccination fiasco of 1976. This program aired ONCE, in 1979.

    At least the MSM had some integrity in those days.

    Wallace interviewed then head of the CDC, Dr. Sencer. Back then, the govt agents weren’t nearly the professional liars they are today. Oh, they lied. But their lies were transparent.

    Here’s part of the transcript of the video :

    WALLACE: Dr David Sencer….. He devised the swine flu program and he pushed it.

    WALLACE: You began to give flu shots to the American people in October of ’76?

    DR SENCER: October 1st.

    WALLACE: By that time, how many cases of swine flu around the world had been reported?

    DR SENCER: There had been several reported, but none confirmed. There had been cases in Australia that were reported by the press, by the news media. There were cases in –

    WALLACE: None confirmed? Did you ever uncover any other outbreaks of swine flu anywhere in the world?

    DR SENCER: No

    WALLACE: Now, nearly everyone was to receive a shot in a public health facility where a doctor might not be present, therefore it was up to the CDC to come up with some kind of official consent form giving the public all the information it needed about the swine flu shot. This form stated that the swine flu vaccine had been tested. What it didn’t say was that after those tests were completed, the scientists developed another vaccine and that it was the one given to most of the 46 million who took the shot. That vaccine was called “X-53a”. Was X-53a ever field tested?

    DR SENCER: I-I can’t say. I would have to –

    WALLACE: It wasn’t

    DR SENCER: I don’t know

    WALLACE: Well, I would think that you’re in charge of the program

    DR SENCER: 1 would have to check the records. I haven’t looked at this in some time.

    WALLACE: The information form the consent form was also supposed to warn people about any risk of serious complications following the shot. But did it?

    ROBERTS: No, I had never heard of any reactions other than a sore arm, fever, this sort of thing.

    WALLACE: Did anyone ever come to you and say, “You know something, fellows, there’s the possibility of neurological damage if you get into a mass immunization program?”

    DR SENCER: No

    WALLACE: No one ever did?

    DR SENCER: No

    WALLACE: Do you know Michael Hattwick?

    DR SENCER: Yes, uh-hmm.

    WALLACE: Dr Michael Hattwick directed the surveillance team for the swine flu program at the CDC. His job was to find out what possible complications could arise from taking the shot and to report his findings to those in charge. Did you know ahead of time, Dr Hattwick that there had been case reports of neurological disorders, neurological illness, apparently associated with the injection of influenza vaccine?

    DR MICHAEL HATTWICK: Absolutely

    WALLACE: You did?

    DR HATIWICK: Yes

    WALLACE: How did you know that?

    DR Hattwick: By review of the literature.

    WALLACE: So you told your superiors – the men in charge of the swine flu immunization program – about the possibility of neurological disorders?

    DR RATTWICK: Absolutely

    WALLACE: What would you say if I told you that your superiors say that you never told them about the possibility of neurological complications?

    DR HAJTWICK: That’s nonsense. I can’t believe that they would say that they did not know that there were neurological illnesses associated with influenza vaccination. That simply is not true. We did know that.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14433

  40. Sky

    The commies used agitprop,the west is using vacciprop ( vaccine propaganda).

    Watch this shameful cartoon. The children are being targeted.

  41. Sky

    H1N1…Ukraine :

    “Kiev – The death toll from a swine flu outbreak in Ukraine rose to 34 on Saturday, as the government announced new measures to control the spread of the virus.

    Panic purchasing of flu remedies, surgical masks, and even citrus fruits took place in most major cities in the former Soviet republic, 1+1 television reported.

    The swine flu deaths thus far have been limited to the nine western provinces, most along the borders with Slovakia, Poland, and Romania.

    Shortages of over-the-counter medicines used to treat the common flu were reported as far away as the eastern city Zaporizhia, some 900 kilometres from the epicentre of the outbreak.

    Invoking a rarely-used law allowing the state to take temporary control of private property, Tymoshenko declared all health-related organizations in the country, including privately-owned health clinics and hospitals, to be ‘directly subordinate’ to the government, effective immediately.

    All schools, kindergartens, and universities were closed for a three-week period on Friday. A ban on massed gatherings – forcing the wholesale cancellation of concerts and political rallies – was also in effect.

    http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/health/news/article_1510517.php/Ukraine-s-swine-flu-death-toll-rises-to-34

    update – latest numbers of infected have risen from 80K to over 150 K – according to a Polish gent who is translating the news and radio reports coming out of Poland

  42. don

    Blue: Hepa filters for airlines..
    Wikipeadia..Hepa

  43. PLovering

    @don, “Blue: Hepa filters for airlines..”

    Many airlines are disinfecting their planes with colloidal silver mist.

    They hook up a 10″ hose from the cs generator into the front of the plane and another 10″ at the back of the plane leading back to the generator, and circulate misted colloidal silver throughout the plane for 22 minutes.

    After treatment, every bacteria, virus, and mold in the plane is now dead. And all new bvm arrivals will not survive long either.

    The Lizards, Warlords, and Cannibals in charge of our economic disaster intend to take Colloidal Silver off the shelf at your local Health Food stores.

  44. Stuffed Poodles

    Death rate extrapolations for USA for Asthma: 5,637 per year, 469 per month, 108 per week, 15 per day, 0 per hour, 0 per minute, 0 per second. Note: this automatic extrapolation calculation uses the deaths statistic: 5,637 deaths in 1995 (NHLBI); 4,657 deaths reported in USA 1999 (NVSR Sep 2001); approximately 5,000 deaths annually (NIAID)

    ΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩ

    ELAINE: You are immensely cruel. So, you want them to die FASTER???? As children???? Good gods.

  45. Stuffed Poodles

    ELAINE: Here is an example of a totally insane person who wants children to die of the flu due to being a hysteric about flu shots. That so far, have killed NO ONE at all in recent years….!

    ΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩ

    Let’s see…..the Ukraine….

    Some 80,000 contract it….34 die.

    Do the math on that. The deaths are of course permanent. 79,966 will recover in a few days. Work out the percentage. It’s a laugh.

    Elaine said: “But it is a very nasty killer.”

    No, it isn’t. The numbers tell a different story. You make up and tell your own stories as evident from that one-liner.

    “If you can’t tell if it is a mere slight flu or death, how do you deal with it?”

    Why can’t you deal with the fact that it is a a ‘slight flu’? Your small mind still can’t comprehend that more kids in the US die from cancer every year than have died from swine flu. Cancer’s 5000+ versus swine flu’s 95. Oh and what of seasonal or common flu? That kills some 36,000 people in the US. Each year 50 to 100 American children die from complications of seasonal flu and over 500,000 people worldwide die EVERY YEAR. Why weren’t you freaking out last year (or the years before that) over that? But swine flu, with it’s 5,000 deaths, worldwide, with 1,000 of those in the US, has got you in a twist?

    But we don’t know the REAL numbers anyway. CDC officials do not keep an exact count of all U.S. swine flu deaths, but say the number has surpassed 1,000.

    How can they say that if they don’t keep an exact count?

    “This is why more and more parents will change from pooh-poohing the swine flu and running off to get shots for their own children.”

    Over 1 death in Toronto and the rest of the mainstream media’s scare mongering that you’re spreading? I think not. The majority are abstaining from these untested toxins. Many are waking up to and have been aware that this is nothing more than a fear and propaganda campaign.

    I walk around. I ride public transit. Go to resaturants. I overhear the conversations. I talk to friends. They aren’t buying into it. Neither is anyone they know.

    The stories you’re reading about 3 hour waits in lineups for these toxins are of the minority that are easily swayed by what the TV told them to do.

    I guess you don’t recall when bird flu in 2005 was supposed to kill us. That was a failed attempt as well.

    In 2005 the World Health Organization (WHO) predicted that up to 150 million people could die from bird flu, which unleashed worldwide panic. When the death toll was tallied, there were only 262 deaths. Obviously, the prediction was totally wrong. In the face of swine flu in 2009-10 we should not make the same mistake. Avoiding panic is essential. It’s absurd to panic about swine flu, especially since it won’t cause severe disease in many people. The current WHO messages, which are increasing fear of swine flu is a form of disease mongering.

    In front of the menace of avian flu, in 2005, the Canadian Government had two goals, 1/ to decrease mortality and 2/ to avoid social chaos. For swine flu goal number one should not be a problem because of its LOW severity. The second goal calls for a strong policy of calmness and accurate information for both professionals and public. The present messages by Governments, the WHO and the media focusing on the worst case scenario and the detailed description of each death is the COMPLETELY WRONG approach to fulfil the second goal. We need a health policy of common sense and self-control.

    Got that, Elaine? Try leading by example instead of being made an example of. Nah. Too late. You’re already ridiculous.

    “Just remember: I give the news here and this is real, real news.”

    Like hell it is. It’s garbage. Especially when the only knowledge you have that it (might) be swine flu is from the media. The truth is the fast diagnostic tests for swine flu are NOT very accurate (only from 10 – 60%). Therefore it is not worth getting tested as the test can’t prove that you don’t have swine flu! Just more facts that you choose to ignore.

    It’s important to remember that children (and adults) can have other illnesses besides swine flu. In the United Kingdom there have been cases of children dying from meningitis after being falsely diagnosed with swine flu.

    But the media reports it as a swine flu death and you, Elaine, regurgiate that nonsense here running around waving your arms with your hair on fire yelling that the sky is falling.

    “And if this irritates people, they can go off and do as they please.”

    Likewise, Elaine. Go ahead and roll up your sleeves for profit. I hope you don’t succumb to their rushed-to-market toxic soup.

    “But don’t try convincing me that flu shots are evil.”

    …or try convincing us that they aren’t.

    “The reason we have drugs is so people can get well.”

    Wow. Have you ever gone off the deep end. Seriously, what reality are you living in?

    If drugs ever made anyone well, drug companies would be out of business. It’s not in their interest to make you “well” or “cure” you. It’s in their interest to keep you on their medication(s) that only masks the symptoms.

    How many medications does anyone you know been taking at any one time and how long have they been taking them?

    Shouldn’t they have been “well” by now?

    Clearly you’ve never researched how many times drugs have harmed or killed people in the process of making them “well” or how long it took government to pull their products from market or the tens in billions in fines paid out to victim’s families.

    You just think that drugs are there to make us “well”.

    I think that you’re on them.

  46. Stuffed Poodles

    Elaine, The Fear Monger missed this….

    The H1N1 death that caused a ripple of anxiety in much of Quebec…may not be due to the flu (CJAD Montreal – Oct. 31, 2009)

    Quebec’s chieff public health officer says a young teenager who died in Ontario earlier this week may not have been killed by H1N1.

    Evan Frustaglio did test positive for H1N1, but Doctor Alain Poirier says the fact that his health went downhill so quickly has led some experts to wonder whether there was some other factor in his death.
    “It could be something else,” Poirier says. “It has been described as, he had H1N1, he died suddenly. There’s been no other test to verify what was the actual cause of death, like an autopsy.”
    Poirier says some experts are speculating that meningitis or a bacterial infection may have actually killed him. We will never know, he says, because the teenager’s grieving family has chosen not to allow a further investigation into his death.
    “That doesn’t change the reality that you could die of H1N1 at any age,” says Poirier. “People understand now that H1N1 is a real problem. You’ll see some other images like that, sad images.”

    So. We won’t know. Experts can’t perform a post mortem at his parent’s request. But the media is clearly sticking to and is reporting that it was solely H1N1 that killed that teen in Toronto last Monday when the youngsters death very well may have been due to underlying conditions.

    The media and Elaine are now your medical experts.

    ΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩΩ

    ELAINE: Do note how the crazy antivaccinationists always claim that ANY problems people have after shots are caused by these shots while children who die the SAME three days as getting the flu, are of no matter! Good grief.

  47. Stuffed Poodles

    To date, with the second wave of the pandemic under way, the World Health Organization has reported a total of 5,700 deaths from H1N1 out of 440,000 laboratory-confirmed cases.

    Hmm, out of 440,000 confirmed cases, 5,700 died. Still a very low death rate and not the “nasty killer” that Elaine would lead you to believe that it is.

    The actual number of cases is probably much higher because “many countries have stopped counting individual cases, particularly of milder illness.” Therefore, the death rate from H1N1 is likely lower than 1.2 per cent. In a typical flu season, the death rate is one-tenth of one per cent.

    However, public-health experts are noting that many more people are coming down with the flu this year. In a regular flu season, about 10 per cent of the population gets sick.

  48. Stuffed Poodles

    96 have died in Canada (Oct. 28, 2009)

    While the H1N1 virus has claimed as many as 96 victims across Canada, nearly 90% had pre-existing health conditions. Here are some of the victims:

    Nova Scotia (one flu-related death reported):

    – 51-year-old nursing home worker, Annette Sampson, with underlying health problems, Halifax, July.

    Quebec (27 flu-related deaths reported):

    – Elderly woman, Quebec City, June.

    – 23-year-old Montreal woman, Fatihal Idrissa Kaitouni, died weeks after giving birth. She never regained consciousness after a C-section; her son was born healthy.

    – 27-year-old pregnant woman, Montreal area.

    – Woman, 50s, with underlying health conditions, Montreal, June.

    – Man, 40s, with underlying health conditions. Montreal, June.

    – Woman, 50s, with underlying health conditions, Montreal, June.

    – Woman, 60s, Quebec City, June.

    – Elderly woman, Monteregie area, with underlying health conditions, June.

    – Teenager, with chronic health problems, Laurentian area.

    – 87-year-old woman, Chaudiere-Appalaches region, October.

    Ontario (28 deaths reported):

    – Ravinjan Paramsothy, 44, Scarborough, late May.

    – Unidentified person with underlying medical conditions, May 31.

    – Rubjit Thindal, Brampton, 6, mid-June. .

    – Male, 78, visiting from U.S., Orangeville, June 17.

    – 17-year-old man, Ottawa region, with underlying health condition, June.

    – 52-year-old woman, eastern Ontario, with underlying health condition, June.

    – 68-year-old man, Durham Region, with underlying health condition, June.

    – Woman, 81, June.

    – Unspecified gender, late 50s, Niagara Region, early July.

    – Man, 37, Toronto, July.

    – Ottawa-area patient, underlying health conditions, August.

    – 65-year-old man, Ottawa, Sept 17.

    – 15-year-old boy, Timmins, with significant underlying medical conditions, Oct. 14.

    – 10-year-old girl, Vanetia Warner, Cornwall, no health conditions, October.

    – 13-year-old Evan Frustaglio, previously healthy, Oct. 26

    Manitoba (seven deaths reported):

    – Perry Chernesky, 42, no health conditions, June.

    – 45-year-old Lorraine Wilson, underlying health conditions, June.

    – Child, underlying medical conditions, June.

    Saskatchewan (eight deaths reported):

    – Woman, 40s, underlying health conditions, June.

    – Man, 70s, underlying health conditions, June.

    – Child less than 10-years-old, underlying health conditions, July.

    – Woman, 50s, underlying health conditions, July.

    – 16-year-old male, underlying health conditions, October.

    Alberta (nine deaths reported):

    – Tina L’Hirondelle, 39-year-old woman, Gift Lake Metis Settlement, underlying health conditions, April 28.

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  49. don

    Plovering: thank you………..and interesting..

  50. Stuffed Poodles

    Year Old Toronto Boy Dies of H1N1

    13-year-old Evan Frustaglio died on Monday,October 26 and it has been confirmed that he had H1N1 infection. The media is using the fact that he played in a hockey tournament after falling ill as proof of his good health and are using this to push the notion that any healthy child may die ofswine flu at any time and that all healthy children should be vaccinated. However, strenuous exercise during influenza infection is known to increase mortality.

  51. Stuffed Poodles

    ‘Flu rage’ erupts in Canada as cases spike and vaccine dwindles

    Canada’s Health Minister, Leona Aglukkaq was promising Canadians that Canada was all over the H1N1 situation, and told the nation not to worry. Last week, just prior to the approval of Arepanrix, Canada’s version of Pandemrix, one of the European-approved H1N1 vaccines

    The concern about the saftey of Canada’s H1N1 vaccine has not gone away. The vaccine was not fully tested before it was approved, and Canada based its approval on Europe’s approval of a similar vaccine. But Europe also has not fully tested the vaccine. The Toronto Star reported that Health Canada is covering the costs of law suits against GlaxoSmithKline should any Canadian experiencing a severe problem with the vaccine decide to sue the company. And in Europe, it is believed that four seniors with underlying health issues have died after receiving the Pandemrix vaccine, the one that is similar to Canada’s Arepanrix. Neither vaccine has been tested on children under 18 years, people over 60 years of age, pregnant women and people with health conditions.

    http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/281345

    Arepanrix product insert:

    http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/prodpharma/legislation/interimorders-arretesurgence/prodinfo-vaccin-eng.php

    Elderly (>60 years):

    No clinical data are available for Arepanrix™ H1N1 in this age group. One dose of 0.5mL at an elected date may be considered.

    The need for a second dose of vaccine is unknown. If a second dose is needed, it should be given after an interval of at least three weeks. See section Pharmacodynamics.

    Children and adolescents aged 10-17 years:

    No clinical data are available for any influenza vaccines with AS03 in this age group.

    Children aged 3-9 years:

    Based on limited clinical data available for AS03-adjuvanted H5N1 vaccine containing 3.75 µg HA derived from A/Vietnam/1194/2004 in this age group, 0.25mL of vaccine (i.e. half of the adult dose) at an elected date and a second dose administered at least three weeks later may be considered sufficient. See section Pharmacodynamics.

    Children aged from 6-35 months:

    No clinical data are available for influenza vaccines with AS03 in this age group. Consideration may be given to dosing in accordance with the recommendation in children aged 3-9 years.

    Children aged less than 6 months:

    Vaccination is not currently recommended in this age group.

    For further information, see section Pharmacodynamics.

    Hey, look at what is in Arepanrix:

    Antigen suspension vial: Thimerosal, sodium chloride, disodium hydrogen phosphate, potassium dihydrogen phosphate, potassium chloride, water for injections. The drug substance contains trace residual amounts of egg proteins, formaldehyde, sodium deoxycholate and sucrose.

    Adjuvant emulsion vial: sodium chloride, disodium hydrogen phosphate, potassium dihydrogen phosphate, potassium chloride, water for injections.

  52. emsnews

    This is the last refuge of creeps: kids who are healthy and active die of the H1N1 flu and this creepy person claims they died because they were active before getting the flu???

    Of course, as soon as the child felt truly sick, he stopped playing hockey. And didn’t die that day, either. He died after SLEEPING ALL NIGHT.

    So exercise didn’t cause it.

  53. emsnews

    Also note how the antivaccinationists can’t use the creepy cheerleader (WHO WAS ALSO ACTIVE) as an example of a ‘victim’ of flu shots (her collapse was 10 days later, not 3, for example).

  54. bob k

    Elaine would you comment on the following article which notes the virtual absence of autism in the unvaccinated Amish population.

    NO AUTISM FOR UNVACCINATED AMISH?
    The Age of Autism: ‘A pretty big secret’

    UPI | December 7, 2005
    By DAN OLMSTED

    It’s a far piece from the horse-and-buggies of Lancaster County, Pa., to the cars and freeways of Cook County, Ill.

    But thousands of children cared for by Homefirst Health Services in metropolitan Chicago have at least two things in common with thousands of Amish children in rural Lancaster: They have never been vaccinated. And they don’t have autism.

    “We have a fairly large practice. We have about 30,000 or 35,000 children that we’ve taken care of over the years, and I don’t think we have a single case of autism in children delivered by us who never received vaccines,” said Dr. Mayer Eisenstein, Homefirst’s medical director who founded the practice in 1973. Homefirst doctors have delivered more than 15,000 babies at home, and thousands of them have never been vaccinated.

    The few autistic children Homefirst sees were vaccinated before their families became patients, Eisenstein said. “I can think of two or three autistic children who we’ve delivered their mother’s next baby, and we aren’t really totally taking care of that child — they have special care needs. But they bring the younger children to us. I don’t have a single case that I can think of that wasn’t vaccinated.”

    The autism rate in Illinois public schools is 38 per 10,000, according to state Education Department data; the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention puts the national rate of autism spectrum disorders at 1 in 166 — 60 per 10,000.

    “We do have enough of a sample,” Eisenstein said. “The numbers are too large to not see it. We would absolutely know. We’re all family doctors. If I have a child with autism come in, there’s no communication. It’s frightening. You can’t touch them. It’s not something that anyone would miss.”

    No one knows what causes autism, but federal health authorities say it isn’t childhood immunizations. Some parents and a small minority of doctors and scientists, however, assert vaccines are responsible.

    This column has been looking for autism in never-vaccinated U.S. children in an effort to shed light on the issue. We went to Chicago to meet with Eisenstein at the suggestion of a reader, and we also visited Homefirst’s office in northwest suburban Rolling Meadows. Homefirst has four other offices in the Chicago area and a total of six doctors.

    Eisenstein stresses his observations are not scientific. “The trouble is this is just anecdotal in a sense, because what if every autistic child goes somewhere else and (their family) never calls us or they moved out of state?”

    In practice, that’s unlikely to account for the pronounced absence of autism, says Eisenstein, who also has a bachelor’s degree in statistics, a master’s degree in public health and a law degree.

    Homefirst follows state immunization mandates, but Illinois allows religious exemptions if parents object based either on tenets of their faith or specific personal religious views. Homefirst does not exclude or discourage such families. Eisenstein, in fact, is author of the book “Don’t Vaccinate Before You Educate!” and is critical of the CDC’s vaccination policy in the 1990s, when several new immunizations were added to the schedule, including Hepatitis B as early as the day of birth. Several of the vaccines — HepB included — contained a mercury-based preservative that has since been phased out of most childhood vaccines in the United States.

    Medical practices with Homefirst’s approach to immunizations are rare. “Because of that, we tend to attract families that have questions about that issue,” said Dr. Paul Schattauer, who has been with Homefirst for 20 years and treats “at least” 100 children a week.

    Schattauer seconded Eisenstein’s observations. “All I know is in my practice I don’t see autism. There is no striking 1-in-166,” he said.

    Earlier this year we reported the same phenomenon in the mostly unvaccinated Amish. CDC Director Dr. Julie Gerberding told us the Amish “have genetic connectivity that would make them different from populations that are in other sectors of the United States.” Gerberding said, however, studies “could and should be done” in more representative unvaccinated groups — if they could be found and their autism rate documented.

    Chicago is America’s prototypical “City of Big Shoulders,” to quote Carl Sandburg, and Homefirst’s mostly middle-class families seem fairly representative. A substantial number are conservative Christians who home-school their children. They are mostly white, but the Homefirst practice also includes black and Hispanic families and non-home-schooling Jews, Catholics and Muslims.

    They tend to be better educated, follow healthier diets and breast-feed their children much longer than the norm — half of Homefirst’s mothers are still breast-feeding at two years. Also, because Homefirst relies less on prescription drugs including antibiotics as a first line of treatment, these children have less exposure to other medicines, not just vaccines.

    Schattauer, interviewed at the Rolling Meadows office, said his caseload is too limited to draw conclusions about a possible link between vaccines and autism. “With these numbers you’d have a hard time proving or disproving anything,” he said. “You can only get a feeling about it.

    “In no way would I be an advocate to stand up and say we need to look at vaccines, because I don’t have the science to say that,” Schattauer said. “But I don’t think the science is there to say that it’s not.”

    Schattauer said Homefirst’s patients also have significantly less childhood asthma and juvenile diabetes compared to national rates. An office manager who has been with Homefirst for 17 years said she is aware of only one case of severe asthma in an unvaccinated child.

    “Sometimes you feel frustrated because you feel like you’ve got a pretty big secret,” Schattauer said. He argues for more research on all those disorders, independent of political or business pressures.

    The asthma rate among Homefirst patients is so low it was noticed by the Blue Cross group with which Homefirst is affiliated, according to Eisenstein.

    “In the alternative-medicine network which Homefirst is part of, there are virtually no cases of childhood asthma, in contrast to the overall Blue Cross rate of childhood asthma which is approximately 10 percent,” he said. “At first I thought it was because they (Homefirst’s children) were breast-fed, but even among the breast-fed we’ve had asthma. We have virtually no asthma if you’re breast-fed and not vaccinated.”

    Because the diagnosis of asthma is based on emergency-room visits and hospital admissions, Eisenstein said, Homefirst’s low rate is hard to dispute. “It’s quantifiable — the definition is not reliant on the doctor’s perception of asthma.”

    Several studies have found a risk of asthma from vaccination; others have not. Studies that include never-vaccinated children generally find little or no asthma in that group.

    Earlier this year Florida pediatrician Dr. Jeff Bradstreet said there is virtually no autism in home-schooling families who decline to vaccinate for religious reasons — lending credence to Eisenstein’s observations.

    “It’s largely non-existent,” said Bradstreet, who treats children with autism from around the country. “It’s an extremely rare event.”

    Bradstreet has a son whose autism he attributes to a vaccine reaction at 15 months. His daughter has been home-schooled, he describes himself as a “Christian family physician,” and he knows many of the leaders in the home-school movement.

    “There was this whole subculture of folks who went into home-schooling so they would never have to vaccinate their kids,” he said. “There’s this whole cadre who were never vaccinated for religious reasons.”

    In that subset, he said, “unless they were massively exposed to mercury through lots of amalgams (mercury dental fillings in the mother) and/or big-time fish eating, I’ve not had a single case.”

    Federal health authorities and mainstream medical groups emphatically dismiss any link between autism and vaccines, including the mercury-based preservative thimerosal. Last year a panel of the Institute of Medicine, part of the National Academies, said there is no evidence of such a link, and funding should henceforth go to “promising” research.

    Thimerosal, which is 49.6 percent ethyl mercury by weight, was phased out of most U.S. childhood immunizations beginning in 1999, but the CDC recommends flu shots for pregnant women and last year began recommending them for children 6 to 23 months old. Most of those shots contain thimerosal.

    Thimerosal-preserved vaccines are currently being injected into millions of children in developing countries around the world. “My mandate … is to make sure at the end of the day that 100,000,000 are immunized … this year, next year and for many years to come … and that will have to be with thimerosal-containing vaccines,” said John Clements of the World Health Organization at a June 2000 meeting called by the CDC.

    That meeting was held to review data that thimerosal might be linked with autism and other neurological problems. But in 2004 the Institute of Medicine panel said evidence against a link is so strong that health authorities, “whether in the United States or other countries, should not include autism as a potential risk” when formulating immunization policies.

    But where is the simple, straightforward study of autism in never-vaccinated U.S. children? Based on our admittedly anecdotal and limited reporting among the Amish, the home-schooled and now Chicago’s Homefirst, that may prove to be a significant omission.

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    ELAINE: If you read me carefully, you will notice that this business that the Amish have no autism and no vaccinations is FAKE INFORMATION. That is, it is an outright lie spread by antivaccinationist believers.

  55. btrue

    According to the TV show “the Doctors”:

    Steps to Prevent Getting the Flu
    • Wash your hands often
    • Use anti-bacterial wipes and gels with 60 percent alcohol content
    • Don’t touch your eyes, mouth or nose unless your hands are clean
    • Take vitamins
    • Eat healthily
    • Exercise
    • Keep your sugar intake below 100 grams per day (approximately two sodas’ worth) and minimize alcohol consumption. Excessive sugar and alcohol intake can suppress and impede your immune system.

    How many kids or adults for that matter get less than 100 g of sugar per day (including HFCS which is probably worse) or eat “healthily”?

    The bigger picture:

    http://www.storyofstuff.com/index.html

    If our immune systems are important in keeping us healthy, how do we keep them strong? We need to keep toxins low and nutrition high (currently we have the opposite).

    Maybe we can just keep inventing vaccines to try to cure all of our problems. Good luck with that.

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    ELAINE: I was a long distance runner and athlete in college and grew organic food and had organic chickens and I nearly died of the Hong Kong flu. A strong immune system is no help in these sorts of plagues.

  56. Stuffed Poodles

    Elaine, you remind me of the same people, growing up, who denied that nicotine wasn’t a drug and that smoking cigarettes woouldn’t kill you.

    Cigarette ads, back in the day, even featured doctors who peddled the products.

    I was a fight then and it’s a fight now. The product may be different, but it does the same damage. But, just like cigarettes, the damage is not immediate. It occurs over time.

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    ELAINE: HAHAHA. Wrong, as usual! Look, even as a kid, I knew cigarettes were hideous! I hated them back then and all my long life. I won’t let people smoke around me, for example, even today.

    As for the ads: who stopped these ads? Take a wild, wild guess? Who put warnings on cigarette packages? Who funded anti-tobacco research? Take another wild guess: OUR GOVERNMENT. Thanks in advance.

  57. Stuffed Poodles

    I guess that this ok with you, Elaine?

    Public school nurses give swine flu vaccine to kids without parents’ OK, sends child to hospital

    School nurses mistakenly gave the swine flu vaccine to two students who didn’t sign up for it – including a Brooklyn girl with epilepsy who wound up in the hospital.

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/education/2009/10/30/2009-10-30_sorry_bout_the_shot_public_school_nurses_give_swine_flu_vaccine_to_kids_without_.html#ixzz0Vi4eQwSh

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/education/2009/10/30/2009-10-30_sorry_bout_the_shot_public_school_nurses_give_swine_flu_vaccine_to_kids_without_.html#ixzz0Vi4WI9Nk

  58. emsnews

    Which is why we should go to our doctors for vaccinations. But distribution systems don’t work so hot and there are limited shots available.

    In ALL health systems errors occur. So this is why we need BETTER systems not NO systems. You want to find every possible mistake and use it as an excuse to have NOTHING AT ALL.

    Which is dumb, obviously. This is why I mentioned the seat belt stuff: people would pull out any and all extraordinary event when seat belts failed and use this as an excuse to never use seatbelts. Despite proof that seatbelts save millions of lives.

  59. PLovering

    @Stuffed Poodles, Warbrews Vaccination Parties die a natural death.

    “State media in Austria reports that yesterday, on the first day the H1N1 vaccine became available, less than ten people attended vaccine centers in the country’s fourth largest city, Salzburg.

    “The organisational situation is the same as if you invite people to a party and you don’t know whether to make three or 5,000 sandwiches.” Norbert Muss, the head doctor of the regional health insurance association commented.

    The Flu Case website reports that a poll to be published later this week in Luxembourg indicates that 77% of the country has no intention of getting the vaccine, while 15 % are undecided.”

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