Fukushima Reactor #4 Continues To Puzzle Experts

Fukushima is mostly ignored by our media which also ignores the Bilderberg gang.  And a lot of other important stuff.  The above photo was taken during the recent TEPCO tour of reactor #4.  They actually have a crane there that fitfully removes debris.  The entire structure is on the point of caving in but TEPCO has put supports under part of the pool.  But this mess is far from being fixed and all the workers there are reaching their lifetime limits of radiation exposure.  And the rest of the population nearby is certainly exposed to very dangerous levels especially children.

 

The government of Japan is mostly focused on getting control of some disputed islands that China claims so the latest volley in this futile folly is Japan calling Chinese military spending a ‘threat’.  Even as the Chinese dragon reels in the Japanese, they struggle to control things using the US military machine as their weapon of choice.

 

This week, the Pentagon and both Presidential candidates said they were going to focus most of our military on ‘Asia’ which everyone knows, means China.

 

So, while Japanese rulers duel with the Chinese, they also are freaking out about how nearly all nuclear power has come to a halt and this is causing trade deficits to appear so they are muscling along a restart of these reactors no matter what happens:  Quickstep to restarting reactors | The Japan Times Online

 

Behind the union’s (a group of township governments where the nuclear power plant is located) turnaround was the central government’s pressure and lobbying by Kepco and the Kansai Economic Federation, headed by Kepco Chairman Shosuke Mori. The call for a 15 percent reduction in power consumption apparently played an important role. If the central government decides to restart the Oi reactors, it will be a decision made in the absence of a solid foundation to ensure the safety of nuclear power generation.

 

The sole “scientific basis” for restarting the Oi reactors 3 and 4 is the results of a stress test. But a stress test is, after all, a computer simulation whose results can vary depending on the data fed into computers and the computer programs used.

 

Computers simulate only the parameters that the programmer installs.  Mother Nature, on the other hand, does whatever she wants.  In previous safety plans the maximum earthquake data was under 7.6 mag.  In reality, it was greater.  Each nuclear disaster is caused by different things so the number of things causing this multiplies each 20 years.  We can’t possibly know all probabilities or possibilities.

 

Tepco Email: Possible re-criticality in Reactor No. 2A Japanese publication has obtained an email sent from a worker in Tepco’s engineering division. Here is an excerpt of the email from a report in the June 8, 2012 edition of the Weekly Asahi via Yahoo.jp translated by Fukushima Diary:

 

From looking at the [Reactor No. 2] water level (60cm), it is obvious that the PCV and suppression chamber are severely damaged.

It is very likely that a new heating mass is generated from recriticality. We can not tell exactly what is happening inside of PCV. We can never deny the possibility of recriticality.

 

The nuclear dragon can be snoozing.  Or growling.  Or lashing out.  Or blindly blowing up everything.  Most of the time, we have little idea what is really going on once the initial release of power happens.  All data collection vanishes or becomes very spotty.

 

I wonder what the Bilderberg gang is saying today?  Are they trying to figure out how to pull the wool over our eyes?  HAHAHA.  Yes.

 

They convinced ‘green’ people that the only way to save humanity was to have an infinite derivatives swap market in CO2 pollution coupled with nuclear power plants.  This scam (a bad solution to a bad problem) worked for a while and for the moment, the greens who supported nuclear power/insane derivative games are silent.

 

But the elites want both of these programs because…it will make them all richer.  The US public has gone passive as they worry about jobs but luckily for them, the price of oil is now falling so the tension, the fear is dropping.  People love burning oil.  Very much.

 

The Japanese experts are very scared for Japan isn’t a big place and much of its best farmland has been ravaged by nuclear pollution:  Japanese Nuclear Expert: ‘When I try to figure out the true magnitude of damage, I am overwhelmed’ — Almost all of Fukushima Prefecture would be abandoned if gov’t regulations were applied.  This is a catastrophe for all of Japan.

 

Back to reactor #4:  Japan TV: We have discovered a new hidden danger at Reactor 4 — There’s another way fuel rods can be damaged (VIDEO)

 

When it reached the latter part of 700 degree C, what has happened to the fuel rod?

This is the new hidden danger of the fuel rods.

During the heat test, a change has occurred when the temperature of the fuel rod reached latter part of 700 degree C.

The fuel cladding has ruptured now.

When it ruptured, the temperature was at 780 degree C.

You can see the rod is red hot.

The fuel cladding is supposed to contain the radioactive fuels but it has expanded and a hole has appeared.

This is the ruptured hole after it has been heated.

In reality, other than meltdown, there was another way in which the fuel rods could be damaged.

Furthermore, when fuel rods are subjected to a rapid temperature change, not only it creates holes, the whole fuel rod could disintegrate completely.

Here are some screenshots of one of the videos showing what is going on inside the reactors and how similar reactors might fail:

The empty seats scared me.  The screenshot shows only two rows but the video zooms into the room showing about five rows of seats and maybe 4 reporters, if that.  Japan is a walking zombie nation and this is not a good thing.sunset borger

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  1. Elaine, how many of ‘these reactors’ exist worldwide?
    And how much worse than, oh 3 mile or Chernobyl is Fukushima?

  2. DeVaul

    I visited some other blogs while searching for news about Fukushima and came across one called technocrati.com or something like that. Anyway, I read some of the comments and I was shocked at how flippant many were. One man claimed to be a former Navy reactor operator and claimed that there was no way the fuel rods could disentegrate on their own “short of the sun exploding”. Now it appears they can disentegrate on their own.

    This story repeats itself over and over again without flaw, yet no one learns from it. We have no idea what uncontrolled nuclear materials or waste is capable of, especially when we cannot even get close enough to see it.

    The room was empty because even Japanese reporters know that there is no solution to this problem short of executing all Tepco officials and the entire Japanese government and their central bankers, raiding the horde of dollars stored there and using them to fund a Soviet-style assault on the reactors that will kill upwards of a million workers, but stop the massive pollution for now, giving us a chance to figure out what to do next.

    I suspect that Ben has told them not to do this, not that the Japanese aristocrats care about their own people anyway. They plan to retire to sunny — somewhere — and play golf all day.

    This is why I suggest nuking the site — if it will even help, which I still don’t know that it will — and simply claim self-defense of the human species living in the northern hemisphere.

  3. DeVaul

    @90404

    If you read any of the articles posted here and the links to the articles at the Silver Bear Cafe, you would know that Fukushima contains 85 times more cesium than Chernobyl and is ten times worse than the Chernobyl disaster.

    This is the minimum acknowledged difference by experts.

    Chernobyl involved a single reactor with no stored fuel rods nearby.

    Fukushima has some 11,000 to 15,000 fuel rods stored on site and four reactors in full meltdown, with two more nearby that will go into meltdown mode when Fukushima’s fuel rods catch fire and all workers must leave the area or die from radioactive burns almost immediately.

    Chernobyl did not involve uranium or plutonium or whatever is in the MOX fuel rods that came from the nuclear weapons waste we gave them to recycle or store “out of sight” for us.

    Plutonium is making its way into the ocean and water table. Do we wait until it can move freely beyond our ability to stop it?

  4. JimmyJ

    Apparently there’s been little success improving science literacy in the past 30 years in the US. Bodes poorly for an educated understanding of the risks of nuclear power and armaments.

    -46% of Americans who today believe that God created humans in their present form within the last 10,000 years, little changed from the 44% who believed this 30 years ago

    -78% of Americans today believe that God had a hand in the development of humans in some way

    May 10-13 2012 Gallup Poll of 1,012 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia

    http://goo.gl/a2Tsk

  5. Joseppi

    No worries – As in global warming, the earth was once upon a time a carbon hot house – and once, Japan was full of of cosmic radiation.
    Mass media fairy tales are a dime a dozen these days…..

    http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/20120604_09.html

  6. Being There

    Nuke the site, Devaul—is that a flip joke on your part?
    More like entombment in lead and cement, if it can be done at all.
    I had sushi this weekend–groan….

  7. DeVaul

    I hope the sushi was not in California…

    No, I was serious about the nuke thing. I remember everyone saying we could just “nuke” the BP oil spill and “seal” the hole in the earth. Uh… nukes create holes, last I read, but.. whatever.

    Anyway, my question is this: would a strong hydrogen bomb vaporize all the nuclear rods and waste there? I know there would be massive fallout, but that is happening ANYWAY. I am asking if a single nuke strike would burn up the fuel and stop the continuous “recriticalities” that occur there on a daily basis. That is why I ask. I want to stop the nuclear reactions there permenantly so the environment can recover over time.

    If this cannot be done, then I understand, but no concrete vault will ever be built as the radiation will only increase there over Tepco’s “timetable” for “addressing” the problem, making such a project impossible.

    Someone please feel free to educate me on why this is a bad idea.

  8. Maddie's Mom

    Where are the environmental activists on this? No outrage, no protests? Or have I missed it?

  9. Being There

    Alas, some of the fish was from Calif. We do love sushi and have gone from every week a few years ago to 6 times a year(too many).
    Hydrogen bomb is scary stuff, my friend and then on top of fissile material–now that’s possible stuff of nuclear winter.
    Don’t think it’s the answer.

  10. Being There

    And now a little break from our sponsors. Here’s a clever Dr. Suess-like cartoon about the economy and democracy:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/banks-and-whole-democracy-thing-90-seconds-or-less

  11. DeVaul

    The environmental movement has collapsed. I cancelled my membership with Greenpeace just a week ago. They wanted me to help save the Sumatran Tiger or something, so I decided that they had just gone insane like all the others because of Fukushima.

    As long as Fukushima continues to dump millions of gallons of radioactive water into the Pacific ocean, there will be no environmental movement. It will just remain in a state of suspended animation while collecting donations.

    Hydrogen bombs are scary, but we dropped them during tests anyway. The world survived not only our tests, but many other tests as well. I am not talking about all out nuclear war, just one strike on Fukushima to stop the nighmare.

    No one has explained to me why a nuke strike would not burn up all the trash there. It is strange to me since I remember detailed descriptions of how a nuke strike would solve the BP oil prolem. I have not read one suggestion anywhere that Fukushima be nuked, which is pretty strange considering what the experts are telling us about that fuel pool.

  12. emsnews

    Bombing it would spread the horrors far and wide with plutonium fragments everywhere.

    WHICH is why I oppose nuclear power plants: they are the #1 target in any war.

  13. DeVaul

    Did the nuclear bomb tests spread plutonium fragments far and wide also? Or were they composed of different materials? Is the plutonium in the fuel rods or in the hydrogen bomb? Or both?

    I assume from what you are saying that the plutonium does not vaporize in the explosion.

  14. millerw

    The steam and hydrogen explosions were bad enough let’s not consider more explosions please. ALL another explosion would do is contaminate more of the environment, a hydrogen bomb would add in comparison minimally to the contaminants but they would neutralize none, so it is definitely a bad idea.

  15. ooh@ch.ie

    DeVaul,
    A ‘nuclear strike’ would be at ground level. The ‘vapourised’ nuclear plants, their ‘vapourised’ fuel rods plus everything ‘vapourised’ in the vacinity would travel very quickly on the Jet Stream and rain down on the USA. An extinction event.

    If another nuclear explosion solved anything it is certain such an approach would have been applied at Chernobyl.

    http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/journal/volume3.html

    Then realize Fukushima is much worse.

    http://enenews.com

    There is no solution that ends this situation, only some hope of containment. It will never go away and it will never be safe.

    When the Spent Fuel Pool at reactor 4 falls over the northern hemisphere will be further contaminated, first stop west coast. Don’t eat the fish, drink milk, forget beef. Perhaps some algae from a subteranian cave may be safe.

  16. Jim R

    It would be funny if we weren’t living in the belly of the beast.
    “OK, we are declaring war on you. But before we start, can we borrow a couple hundred tons of rare earth elements? Oh, and another pallet-load of microprocessor chips please, k, thanks, bye.”

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  18. Jim R

    As for the Fukushima thing, it’s nice to see that the situation is still stable.
    March 2011: worst case scenario
    June 2012: worst case scenario.
    They are the same — so it’s STABLE!

  19. emsnews

    HAHAHA….sadly, yes, Jim.

  20. DeVaul

    Ok, so I gather from these not so scientific comments that dropping a nuke on Fukushima will not burn up the nuclear rods and waste pools in such a way as to eliminate the threat of a northern hemisphere catastrophe.

    I am disappointed that no one with some technical details on what would happen came forward. I don’t understand how the dropping of the Tsar Bomb or the other huge tests were not extinction events also (immediate extinction events, not rising cancer rates).

    So, since no containment vessel will be built partially submerged in the ocean (the reactors are on the beach) — something never done before, and the fuel pool will collapse all on its own (a given among experts) and start a massive radiological firestorm (again, unprecedented), I am beginning to see why the nuclear experts are packing their bags for Argentina.

    So it’s a done deal. The rich will move south and the rest of us will live short lives and have many deformed babies. Great.

    WARNING TO 90404! OFF TOPIC: I still hope the dictators and warlords in the southern hemisphere greet the nuclear scientists and their sponsors with lots of lead and other projectiles. I would be satisfied with even a machete.

    The winds and tide eventually move south as well.

  21. Jim R

    To those who want to “drop a nuke” on things with the notion that it will somehow bypass the various laws of physics and make the “problem” not exist any more:
    Your understanding of natural science is pitifully lacking. In that oil well blowout, there was some footage of a Soviet event, in which an underground nuke stopped a gas well. … the conclusion being that they just needed to do the same in the Gulf of Mexico. That was in fact a completely stupid wrong idea, as an explosion would merely have released ALL the underground oil directly into the Gulf.
    But back to Fukushima. It has been operating for maybe 40 years, and pumping out what, a couple gigawatts of electric power? Meaning maybe five or six gigawatts of nuclear heat was generated. For 40 years.
    I don’t have the exact figures at my fingertips, but someone else did a back-of-envelope calculation, and concluded that it had made something like 2 metric tons of Cs-137. There would be a similar amount of Sr-90. Many many tons of Plutonium, Neptunium, Americium. And those “spent fuel” rods have literally thousands of tons of unreacted Uranium in them.
    As for the bomb tests in the ’50s and ’60s (by the way, the Atmospheric Test Ban treaty was signed because they realized they were polluting the whole planet with this crap), each bomb did not burn for 40 years, it only burned for maybe a millisecond. A few pounds of fission products were generated each time.
    Now, the effect of a big explosion, whether nuclear or not, is simply to scatter the atoms around it. It does not make atoms cease to exist. It does not change Cs-137 into some other isotope, well perhaps a couple neutrons could hit some Cs-137 and make it into something hotter, but 99.999999% of the radioactive waste would still exist. Only it would be scattered all over the place. And because Fukushima has so MUCH of the nasty stuff on hand, it could be an extinction event.
    What one must do with nuke waste is not to scatter it, but to keep it gathered up in one place and not allow it to get into the environment. Which means that long term, I do not have much hope for humanity, because as a species it is sooo stupid.

  22. Yeah bombing all that nuclear waste would not be a very bright idea because you’re going to release all that crap all over the air. Remember that the hydrogen explosion in Fukushima released a lot of radioactive materials so you would be doing the same thing on a much larger scale.

  23. DeVaul

    @Jim R,

    Thanks for explaining in detail why dropping a hydrogen bomb on Fukushima would not help at all and why. That was my only real question.

    There was no need to insult me or others about our lack of knowledge of nuclear science, as we chose to follow different paths in life, which we had a right to do. Nuclear science is not the same as natural science, so please do not confuse the two to make people feel stupid.

    I never advocated dropping a nuke on the BP oil spill. I only mentioned that others had done so two years ago, but now there was no talk of doing the same to Fukushima at all, which I thought was very strange.

    You imply that asking questions is a form of stupidity. It is actually how humans learn, and it is a sign of intelligence when one asks questions that are specific and to the point.

    Not knowing something is not the same as being stupid. Not caring to know about something that might save your life is.

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  26. Jim R

    DeVaul,
    Sorry I didn’t really mean to aim that remark at you. It was for the whole species.
    Regardless of the science knowledge some folks have, the human species is too stupid for nuclear power. Problem is, the political class (which only cares about that which boosts their prestige) always wants to control the plants and override any advice from the pocket-protector set.
    This means that events like Fukushima will be mismanaged at every step. They have been scattering the radioactive waste, not with an explosion, but more slowly by washing it into the sea or burning contaminated items. Unfortunately the result is the same — scattered radioactive waste that is nearly impossible to collect up again.

  27. DeVaul

    @Jim R,

    Thanks for clearing that up. I felt singled out a little. Sorry.

    So, I guess what I don’t understand is this: when a nuclear test is done by dropping a bomb, the material all burns up through fission/fusion, but there is still radioactive fallout.

    Is the problem the amount of waste at Fukushima? For example: one pound of (whatever) in a bomb exploding in a bomb test compared to 500+ tons of nuclear waste exploding at Fukushima? Is that the problem?

    It seems that you are saying that none of this stuff burns up, which I had read others say happens in nuclear bomb tests, and that it will just be scattered all over with no vaporization of the nuclear waste.

    If that is the case, then I understand now how nuking the site will not work.

    I still have problems with the “pocket-protector set” for bringing us this stuff, but I agree that no one will listen to them after they have finished building their bombs or plants — which they should have foreseen.

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  34. Jim R

    DeVaul,
    I’m not really a nuke expert, I’m just generally interested in scienc-y stuff and read a lot of Wikipedia articles. I have a bachelor’s in chemistry but never used it in my working life (thank $DEITY).
    To your question,
    “Is the problem the amount of waste at Fukushima? For example: one pound of (whatever) in a bomb exploding in a bomb test compared to 500+ tons of nuclear waste exploding at Fukushima? Is that the problem?”
    The answer is exactly “yes”.

    The nuclear power plant starts with, for example, a load of Uranium. The fissionable isotope, U-235, has a very very long half life, and that it why there is still some of it around on Earth after 4 billion years. Its half life is so long that it isn’t really very radioactive — if you hold a geiger counter near it, you’d get the occasional click … click-click … click. Like that. It isn’t dangerous to handle, except that it is a very toxic heavy metal.
    OK, now the fission process — you’ve probably seen a diagram of it. The Uranium atom is just a little bit unstable, but sometimes an atom of it spontaneously splits into two smaller atoms and some random fragments. If there is a LOT of other uranium around, and if one of these fragments hits another atom just right, it can cause THAT atom to split. So that’s a chain reaction, if there is enough Uranium that each fission event triggers another fission event somewhere in your bunch of Uranium.
    It’s that chain reaction that they try to manage, because each ‘click’ is just a little bit of energy. An average lump of matter has TRILLIONS of TRILLIONS of atoms in it. So instead of click-click, it becomes a roar. If it’s a weapon, they try to get them all to happen at once, but in a utility reactor they try to just have it hum along at a steady rate.

    Now, you might hope that the roar would stop when they shut down the reactor. And, until Fukushima, I was under that impression. The nuke industry uses the euphemism “cold shutdown” to mean that they have the Uranium under control and it isn’t having a chain reaction any more.

    The problem is, each of these fission events creates two smaller atoms, which for some reason are about 2/5 and 3/5 of the size of a Uranium atom. It’s a random process, so you might get an atom of Indium and an atom of Technetium for example. This is where the “nuclear waste” problem comes in. The smaller atoms are almost all radioactive, and they give off “decay heat”. They have half-lives that range from a few milliseconds to millions of years. This is because they received a RANDOM assortment of neutrons and protons from the Uranium nucleus, and for most elements only one or two of the dozen or so possible isotopes is stable (an ‘isotope’ is a particular blend of neutrons and protons). So this roaringly radioactive nuclear core continues to be hot and dangerous, and the fuel rods must be kept cool for literally years until they can be safely moved out of the spent fuel pool. Simply standing near one of the assemblies, if it is out of the water, will cause lethal radiation burns in a few minutes. The metal in the assembly will catch fire and burn in a matter of hours, if it is freshly removed from the core. If it has been in the pool for a few years, it might not catch fire but will still be dangerously radioactive.

    Despite all that waste heat, the nuke industry does not think there is enough of it to try and capture to generate more power. The spent fuel pool only makes maybe 1% or less of the amount of heat that an ongoing fission process would. Still a lot of heat, but not enough to turn those gigantic turbines.

    And that’s the problem, the waste. A nuclear weapon, after it does its damage and destroys and burns things, only has a few pounds of this nuclear byproduct, but every electric-generating reactor in the world has been building up a pile of it in their spent fuel pools for decades. Nobody knows what to do with the stuff because it is so dangerous. And it’s the stuff that caught fire when the cooling system at Fukushima failed. Hydrogen that was a byproduct of that fire (metal fire + water) exploded. Apparently only a smallish fraction of the Fukushima waste has burned so far, as we have seen footage of apparently intact assemblies still under water in these pools.

    The pools are damaged and wobbly and no one thinks they can withstand another earthquake, so that’s what they’re worried about.

  35. Joseppi

    Chinese customs intercept radioactive waste metals from Japan

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2012-06/05/c_123239993.htm

  36. emsnews

    And the Japanese complain about Chinese stuff being polluted! The US and Japan both merrily pollute while complaining about others doing this…same with killing people.

    They complain about others doing this while doing this, themselves.

  37. DeVaul

    Jim R,

    Thanks for that detailed explanation of what is going on there. Pretty good for a chemistry degree, although I would not know since I expunged all knowledge of chemistry out of my mind as I walked away from the final exam at college in order to make room for things I wanted to learn.

    Wow. Yes, I guess containment is the only option now. For thirty years I always asked nuclear proponents about what they planned to do with the waste, and they always responded with silence. Until Fukushima, I had no idea so much waste had been generated, and that it was stored right next to the reactors at some plants. There is so much shit they never told us.

    Hell, I never even knew there were “spent fuel pools”. I thought it was all poured into oil drums and stored that way. At least, that is what they showed us on TV. I never saw a spent fuel rod pool on TV or in a magazine. Now, it is too late to do anything, I guess.

    I suggested loading it onto large rockets and shooting it into the sun to be vaporized, but everyone shot down that idea.

    Wait until the electrical grid goes down here. There will be meltdowns here because the diesal backup generators will run out of fuel eventually.

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