DARPA Killing Robot Machines Eat Everything In Their Path

Picture 5One of the things that bemused me when the very first Star Wars movie came out was, how obvious it was who was the Evil Doers: the empire!  And the technocrats of the empire worked to create the Death Star and Darth Vader.  I figure, it should dawn on people’s minds that DARPA is DARTH VADER. Um…so DARPA cooks up this nifty death machine robot killer that eats everything in its path when it needs energy.  And will the Wookies and other peasant populations stop these assassin machines which exist mainly to kill civilians?  Tune in for ‘The Empire Strikes Out In Afghanistan’.

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First off, a humorous little video combining the audio of one of my very favorite movies, ‘Monty Python’s Holy Grail’ with scenes from one of my favorite TV shows in the 1960’s, ‘Star Trek’:

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YouTube – Star Trek Meets Monty Python

There, we all had our laugh quotient for the day.  Now, everyone has to turn to other matters, namely, how our evil empire is hard at work creating killing systems that can run pretty much on their own.  The original Star Trek series did stories about automatic destruction systems that go haywire and end up killing everything in its path.  I know for a fact that many technophiles love Star Wars and Star Trek so how could they miss the significance of their own evil in cooperating with the vicious Darth Vaders who infest our entire military/industrial/banking complex?

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I know, they need the money so they can buy Star Wars and Star Trek memorabilia.

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Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies – Science News | Science & Technology | Technology News – FOXNews.com

A Maryland company under contract to the Pentagon is working on a steam-powered robot that would fuel itself by gobbling up whatever organic material it can find — grass, wood, old furniture, even dead bodies.

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Robotic Technology Inc.’s Energetically Autonomous Tactical Robot — that’s right, “EATR” — “can find, ingest, and extract energy from biomass in the environment (and other organically-based energy sources), as well as use conventional and alternative fuels (such as gasoline, heavy fuel, kerosene, diesel, propane, coal, cooking oil, and solar) when suitable,” reads the company’s Web site.

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That “biomass” and “other organically-based energy sources” wouldn’t necessarily be limited to plant material — animal and human corpses contain plenty of energy, and they’d be plentiful in a war zone.

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One reason we were loved during WWII was, the German and Japanese military were like plagues of locusts, eating all the food and consuming all materials and confiscating everything including shoes, coats, beds, whatever.  Since they were looters, everyone hated their guts and were very happy when Americans showed up.  We came with food, beds, shoes and coats and freely distributed them to all and sundry including the Japanese and German people!  Smooches and kisses, all around.

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Invading poor nations with armies of machines that devour all the plants and animals in the vicinity is doing EXACTLY what the Nazis and the Japanese war lords did: this is the very definition of ‘a plague of locusts’.  I have a farm.  If any machines appeared here and moved along, eating my hay fields, my chickens, my garden, my forest, you can bet, I would seek out whoever was in charge of these things…after blowing them up, and I would kill whoever was running these things.

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Better still, perhaps one could travel to the home base of the Evil Empire and attack it.  If it is like Mordor, impregnable, one could always do various things to provoke the Evil Empire so it wastes money trying to stop you from resisting it.  Indeed, this is the game plan of the people who set out to destroy the US Evil Empire.  Remember: so long as we are using assassin killer robots that devour everything peasants need to stay alive, we are evil.  By definition.  Ask any movie writer.

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The home page of these techies who work for the Darth Vaders of the US Evil Empire is very interesting.  Click on the second link and you get to view their PowerPoint presentation they gave to the Darth Vader overlords:

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Robotic Technology Inc., robots, unmanned vehicles, artificial intelligence and more.

http://www.robotictechnologyinc.com/images/upload/file/Presentation%20EATR%20Brief%20Overview%206%20April%2009.pdf

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Picture 1MISSION STATEMENT

To create, build, and sell autonomous intelligent systems, including robots and robotic vehicles, for the benefit of humanity, such that our employees thrive, our shareholders flourish, and our customers are completely satisfied.

Picture 2They illustrated this chat with their own artwork and I am including some of this because it is so INSANE not to mention, childish and infantile..Picture 5

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I mean, what’s up with these guys?  What were they drinking?  It looks like stuff from Walt Disney or maybe the latest ‘Transformer’ movie.  We can see from the green monster computer video screen shot, this robot killer is obviously evil.  I mean, it is mean looking!  It is something a bad guy would have as a side kick.

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I suspect the artists and designers and computer freaks who came up with this concept were inspired by the Mars mission creepers.  But they are also aware that they are going evil.

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The Japanese like to ‘humanize’ their own robots.  Since they collectively have decided to shut down the entire business of reproducing themselves, they have the highest human/robot ratio on earth.  None of their robots are designed to tool around Asia, eating and killing everything in sight.  But they are on the same road we are on.

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We cannot be utterly amoral.  We make choices all the time.  For example, our ruling elites who have cheerfully sent many people to die, fighting peasants and civilians in Eurasia, are yelling at us, ‘The world is coming to an end!  You humans have to stop using oil and burning fuel!’  Meanwhile, these very same jerks are paying DARPA to create killing robot machines that SPEW OUT AIR POLLUTION and burns wood, grass, human bodies…

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Maybe we can assign these assassin robots to hunt down all the ruling elites who conspired with Rockefeller to go around, shouting at us about our ‘carbon footprints’.  Maybe these robots can be programmed to shoot down private jets, attack mansions and sink yachts.

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If they spot designer suits made in Paris, they shoot the person dead!  HAHAHA.  Yes, this will fix our carbon problems and reduce world populations.  Or at least, rid us of the top 1% that consumes much more than the bottom 40% of humanity.

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Naturally, these carbon pollution devices are going to be used to murder the poorest people on earth.  Instead of celebrating the Afghani mountain people who have some of the smallest carbon footprints on this entire planet, we are murdering them.  Vast quantities of steel and various natural resources will go into these robot killing machines while the Afghanis are TOTALLY ORGANIC except for whatever guns they can scavenge from the Evil Empire’s massive overkill overhead equipment.

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People chastise me for not screaming in alarm about global warming.  It doesn’t matter, what I do.  My own carbon footprint is about 1% (I don’t even use modern stuff to heat my house and for years, I lived in a tent with no electricity!) of the carbon used by the ruling elites who are begging DARPA to create death robot machines for killing peasants who use even less energy than I use!  Gah.  This truly pisses me off.

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We KNOW the plan is for all of us to die and all of the elites to live in the Garden of Eden.  Any of the outsiders who want to partake of this happy place will be killed by robots that roam about, outside in a landscape blasted to hell by these same robots.  While the rich laugh at the rest of humanity, the last of the non-elite humans will be hunted down by military cyborg fighters.  Isn’t this fun?

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NASA to cut 400 jobs, contractor says – CNN.com

Four hundred space shuttle employees will be laid off beginning in October, a spokesman for a National Aeronautics and Space Administration contractor told CNN on Tuesday

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Jeff Carr, spokesman for United Space Alliance, NASA’s primary contractor for the space shuttle, said he thinks all of the layoffs will come from volunteers taking early retirement, and 60 percent are to come from Florida crews.

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He said notice of the layoffs has been sent to the entire corps of Space Shuttle employees.

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All of NASA is dying, has been dying for years.  We are abandoning the space station and plan to destroy it after spending another billion dollars, building it.  Talk about insane. Maybe these robot killing machines will invade space and take over the space station before it can be ditched and then use it as a platform for taking pot shots with nukes at all the humans on earth.  After all, they will be programmed to ‘save the planet earth’ and to shrink the human carbon footprint and being killing robot machines, they will figure, this means eliminating all humans.

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I can see it now: the ruling elites radio the robots in space and say, ‘Why did you destroy Buckingham Palace, the White House and Hollywood?’  And the robots will answer, ‘Mission accomplished.  Now we take over Mars.’  Now, on to Russia:

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Russian activist Natalia Estemirova found dead – Telegraph

Her corpse, which showed signs of a violent death, was found at 5.20pm (1320 GMT) near Ingushetia’s main city Nazran, ITAR-TASS news agency said, citing the regional interior ministry.

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“The body had two wounds to the head, it was clear she had been murdered in the morning,” Madina Khadziyeva, a spokeswoman at the ministry, told Reuters. She did not specify the nature of the injuries.

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Anyone giving the government headaches is eliminated.  I fear, this is the tactics our own ruling elites want to use on us.  If we don’t fall for their various propaganda stories, they may get rough with us, too.  By the way, here is the ‘Obama being snubbed’ video:

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YouTube – ObamaHandshakeSnubbed

It seems pretty obvious to me that Obama is gesturing to each of the guys in the line.  There is no sound so we don’t know what is being said.  I think this is deliberate because the people putting up this video want to mislead everyone.  This is a common tactic when putting out propaganda.  Remember: EVERYONE can put out propaganda.  ANYONE can lie and nothing lies better than pictures.
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Oligarch pays for party that enraged Putin – Europe, World – The Independent

Two weeks ago, the market was closed down by police in what appears to be an attack on the extravagant Azeri businessman Telman Ismailov, the market’s owner. Mr Ismailov, famous for throwing some of the world’s most lavish parties, opened a resort hotel in Turkey in May that reportedly cost about £1bn to build. The Mardan Palace, named after Mr Ismailov’s late father, has 17 bars, 10 restaurants, a swimming pool so vast that it takes half an hour to cross by gondola, rooms decorated in over-the-top palatial opulence, and a beach made with 9,000 tonnes of artificial sand.

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For the opening party in late May, pictures from which appeared widely in the Russian media, Mr Ismailov paid Sharon Stone, Richard Gere, Mariah Carey, Paris Hilton and Tom Jones to attend. At one point, Mr Ismailov danced as $100 bills came fluttering down from the ceiling.

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Mr Putin allegedly found the images of a tycoon who had made his money in Russia frittering it away publicly – and in another country – distasteful in the extreme, especially at a time of crisis. A week on, Mr Ismailov’s problems began.

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Mr Putin complained at a government meeting in early June that raids on the market last September had resulted in the confiscation of contraband goods, but there had been no arrests. The wheels were already in motion against Mr Ismailov.

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With Mr Putin having given the nod, other senior officials began turning on the market. Alexander Bastrykin, the powerful head of Russia’s investigative committee, called it “a disgrace in the centre of Moscow”. According to Mr Bastrykin, some people spent a year without leaving the market: “It is a state within a state,” he said. “It has its own police, its own customs service, its own courts, its own prosecutor and stand-alone infrastructure, including brothels.”

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HAHAHA. No wonder no one leaves!  They eat, sleep and have sex there.  Sounds like Manhattan.  In stark contrast to the Russia complex that keeps people inside, a Dutch business roams Europe, renting mansions for one night at a time and look at what these people do there:

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It’s a very nice house in the country (but not for an orgy) – Fantasies & Fetishes, Love & Sex – The Independent

Last weekend, employees at the 17th-century manor house, which is accustomed to hosting corporate dos and chocolate-box weddings for well-heeled clients, were left speechless when 350 masked guests stripped off at the stroke of midnight and engaged in group sex of bacchanalian proportions.

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According to those who witnessed the spectacle, security guards gave up trying to persuade copulating couples to go to their rooms because almost every guest at the party was “otherwise engaged” with a fellow reveller…

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But at the stroke of midnight, the atmosphere suddenly changed. “We began the evening by serving the guests Kir Royals and the champagne flowed,” Mr Bond recalled yesterday. “There was a man – the party organiser – telling guests in a loud voice that they were all under a spell. Then, at the stroke of midnight, he told them that if they kissed a guest the spell would be broken. I couldn’t believe my eyes. It suddenly turned into a scene from Eyes Wide Shut.”

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HAHAHA.  First of all, these rich people are making immense carbon footprints, of course.  They don’t care.  They want to have fun.  Why not party like there is no tomorrow?  Many people hate me because I talk about taxing the rich.  Well, this is why.  Either we are serious about things or we are silly.  If we want to pretend this planet is the Titanic and we must party until we feed small crustaceans crawling around the sea bottom or we act like adults.

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The parties are not over, not yet.  Most of the people who still want to believe this is one big party, say, the guys at Goldman Sachs, well…they want to have fun.  And are not in a depression since all the central banks and governments bailed them out.  So what, if millions and millions of people are unemployed?  So what, if people are being herded into prison camps to die?  The people who got bailed out are happy.  Prices are cheaper and they have money to spend.

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In Azerbaijan, a Donkey Suit Provokes Laughs and, Possibly, Arrests – NYTimes.com

YouTube – Eşşekle (Esel Heinz) müsahibe – QHT qanunu haqqında şok açıqlamalar

Late last month, a group of Azeri bloggers posted their latest tongue-in-cheek opus, a video in which a donkey holds a news conference before a circle of gravely nodding journalists.

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Dressed in a voluminous gray costume, Adnan Hajizada rhapsodizes over the lush life awaiting donkeys in Azerbaijan. To his audience — cosmopolitan young Azeris following his commentaries on blogs andFacebook — the video was a sly send-up of the government, which had been accused in the local news media of paying exorbitant prices to import donkeys.

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It is sad, how governments attack bloggers and people who post funny videos.  But then, the Democrats want to do this, too.  Instead of accepting things and realizing, we all just have to consume whatever we wish and no one can control our desire to consume stuff.  This is all so sad.  My heart goes out to the Azerbaijanis who will suffer.  Of course, the US supports the dictator there.  Our ruling elites adore dictators who are in their pay.  Our rulers will even lease to these dictators, these killing robot machines so they can go about the landscape, murdering civilians.

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Israeli Road Sign Controversy Runs Deep by Jerrold Kessel and Pierre Klochendler — Antiwar.com

The Israeli Ministry of Transport has unveiled a plan to get rid of both the Arabic and the English names for cities and towns on road signs around the country, keeping only the Hebrew names. Currently, Jerusalem is identified as Yerushalayim in Hebrew, al-Quds in Arabic, and Jerusalem in English.

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Under the new policy, the city will be identified solely as Yerushalayim, even in Arabic and English. Similarly, internationally known cities such as Nazareth (al-Nasra in Arabic) will be identified only as Natzrat – the Hebrew name – while Jaffa (Yafa in Arabic) will be signposted only as Yafo (as Jewish Israelis refer to the ancient city on the Mediterranean which is now an annex of the prime Jewish Israeli metropolis Tel Aviv). Caesarea, a well-known biblical site with its famed Roman antiquities, will henceforth be identified only as Kesariya.

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Arab Israelis are up in arms over what they say is a blatant attempt to erase the Arabic language and heritage that predates modern Israel. “The government is mistaken if it thinks that by changing a few words they can erase our existence or our identity,” Ahmad Tibi, an Arab member of the Israeli Knesset, told IPS.

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“This new signpost policy is pure provocation,” Tibi added. Not at all, countered the transport minister, Yisrael Katz, on Israeli public TV: “We simply want to amend the lack of uniform spelling on road signs which causes much confusion for drivers, Jews and Arabs alike, as well foreign visitors.”

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First off, the Jews who are doing this stupid sign change are not doing this in order to stop ‘confusion’.  Tourists will be totally unable to read the new signs.  And of course, it is being done as a slap at the natives.  Who will be denied their own names, language and writing system.  Jerusalem should be written as ‘Yer shur r lyin”.  This is translation of ‘you sure are lying’.  Anyway, seems the Jews in the Middle East are bent on ethnic cleansing.  And won’t be stopped.  Last week, the British government has put Tel Aviv on notice, no more parts supplies since the IDF misuses stuff to kill civilians.

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GOOD GODS.  And what the hell is Britain doing in Iraq and Afghanistan?  Shaking hands?  A recent video came out showing British soldiers torturing and abusing prisoners in Iraq.  Watch this video!  ‘Get up you ape’ – video reveals abuse of Iraqi prisoners by British soldier | UK news | The Guardian

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Well, I wish the people who are a bunch of hysterical hypocrites will probably refuse to stop being hysterical hypocrites.  I suppose this is one wish that will never be granted.

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79 responses to “DARPA Killing Robot Machines Eat Everything In Their Path

  1. nah

    there is no way that robot thing can work unless there some sort of new nano tech that is just world changing… imean roll around and burn any and all fuel is pretty misleading, when will it start to kill stuff? when its full LOL
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    ROBOTS ON STEROIDS

  2. Eric

    When I saw the robot story in the news, I knew you’d have to make a post about it. =)

  3. nah

    Man tries to fix airbed, blows up apartment
    http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSTRE56E3XV20090715
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    Thats funny… herd that tire patch garbage is flamable ‘and not to use it’… But damn its amazingly flamable… bet the irish could use this stuff to heckle the cops bettern’ gas

  4. openly hidden

    i am sure elaine can be uber-annoying when it pleases her, but she is a national treasure.

  5. bob k

    Why bother with robot killing machines when mandatory swine flu vaccinations are the vehicle for a mass attack on humanity by parasites who think genocide is the answer Full Spectrum Dominance?

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14312

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/04/29/Swine-Flu.aspx

    “Alongside the fear-mongering headlines, I’ve also seen increasing numbers of reports questioning the true nature of this virus. And rightfully so.

    Could a mixed animal-human mutant like this occur naturally? And if not, who made it, and how was it released?

    Not one to dabble too deep in conspiracy theories, I don’t have to strain very hard to find actual facts to support the notion that this may not be a natural mutation, and that those who stand to gain have the wherewithal to pull off such a stunt.

    Just last month I reported on the story that the American pharmaceutical company Baxter was under investigation for distributing the deadly avian flu virus to 18 different countries as part of a seasonal flu vaccine shipment. Czech reporters were probing to see if it may have been part of a deliberate attempt to start a pandemic; as such a “mistake” would be virtually impossible under the security protocols of that virus.

    The H5N1 virus on its own is not very airborne. However, when combined with seasonal flu viruses, which are more easily spread, the effect could be a potent, airborne, deadly, biological weapon. If this batch of live bird flu and seasonal flu viruses had reached the public, it could have resulted in dire consequences.

    There is a name for this mixing of viruses; it’s called “reassortment,” and it is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created in the lab. Some scientists say the most recent global outbreak — the 1977 Russian flu — was started by a virus created and leaked from a laboratory.

    Another example of the less sterling integrity of Big Pharma is the case of Bayer, who sold millions of dollars worth of an injectable blood-clotting medicine to Asian, Latin American, and some European countries in the mid-1980s, even though they knew it was tainted with the AIDS virus.

    So while it is morally unthinkable that a drug company would knowingly contaminate flu vaccines with a deadly flu virus such as the bird- or swine flu, it is certainly not impossible. It has already happened more than once.

    But there seems to be no repercussions or hard feelings when industry oversteps the boundaries of morality and integrity and enters the arena of obscenity. Because, lo and behold, which company has been chosen to head up efforts, along with WHO, to produce a vaccine against the Mexican swine flu?

    Baxter!11 Despite the fact that ink has barely dried on the investigative reports from their should-be-criminal “mistake” against humanity.

    According to other sources,12 a top scientist for the United Nations, who has examined the outbreak of the deadly Ebola virus in Africa, as well as HIV/AIDS victims, has concluded that the current swine flu virus possesses certain transmission “vectors” that suggest the new strain has been genetically-manufactured as a military biological warfare weapon.

    The UN expert believes that Ebola, HIV/AIDS, and the current A-H1N1 swine flu virus are biological warfare agents.

    In addition, Army criminal investigators are looking into the possibility that disease samples are missing from biolabs at Fort Detrick — the same Army research lab from which the 2001 anthrax strain was released, according to a recent article in the Fredrick News Post.13 In February, the top biodefense lab halted all its research into Ebola, anthrax, plague, and other diseases known as “select agents,” after they discovered virus samples that weren’t listed in its inventory and might have been switched with something else. “

  6. PLovering

    Walking Eagle greets Saudis.

  7. DrKrbyLuv

    Robotic killing machines are intended to terrorize the people, imagine heartless machines preying upon your flesh.

    The cruelty of the elites is a bottomless pit. How can they get so many “regular” people to contribute to a plan that spells slavery and death to humanity, including many of their friends and relatives and future generations?

    BTW, if you didn’t see it, John Rubino reported that: “A sudden worldwide currency revaluation is imminent.”

    http://www.kitco.com/ind/Rubino/jul152009.html

    We are coming to “buckle-up” time.

    Larry

  8. Daliwood

    The sitting robot graphic from the RTI presentation was stolen, likely without permission, from the cover of Isaac Asimov’s Robot Visions. Of course, if the RTI folks are making robots that eat the corpses of slaughtered civilians, a little thing like copyright laws certainly isn’t going to bother them.

  9. You would have to armor all that delicate equipment like crazy , even then a land mine would take it out. AI is really hard too.

  10. That is correct, ziff house. Also, a gallon of gasoline might prove to be way too big a meal for these mechanical ghouls.

  11. Paranoia is becoming fashionable. “Just because you aren’t paranoid, doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you.” — “Bob” Dobbs

    Online Journal

    America’s ‘disappeared’: The homeless of the big cities

    By Wayne Madsen
    Online Journal Contributing Writer
    Jul 8, 2009,

    Some major cities, including New York and Atlanta, have been discovered to be “dumping” their homeless residents on other smaller towns and cities. Others threaten their homeless with prison unless they leave town with usually a one-way bus ticket provided.

    However, there is no evidence that Washington, DC, has been dumping homeless on other cities or paying their transportation out of town. The homeless spokesperson interviewed by WMR said that DC’s homeless are simply “vanishing” without a trace. DC officials in charge of the homeless are very tight-lipped when asked about the fate of unaccounted for homeless in the city.

    Although the best-case scenario is that these unfortunate people have, in fact, been relocated to other areas, the spokesman ended the interview on a chilling note. He said with federal camps and a high demand for any usable body parts by the lucrative transplant industry, he feared the worst may have befallen some of DC’s “invisible residents.”

    Dr. Patricia Doyle has had several websites that have been objectively reporting on emerging diseases. These sites just keep disappearing! (There has been an epidemic of censorship in the last month.) I believe she has been warning people not to take vaccinations for the new swine flu. There is a ton of murky reports of contaminated vaccines and reports that the new swine flu probably cannot have evolved naturally. Dr. Doyle (DVM) is currently trying to set up two new websites:

    http://drpdoyle.tripod.com/

    http://emergingdiseases.com/

    GlobalResearch.ca

    Canadian Doctor. H1N1 Vaccination: A Eugenics Weapon for “Massive & Targeted Reduction of the World Population.”
    by Kurt Nimmo

    According to a source known to former NSA official Wayne Madsen, “A top scientist for the United Nations, who has examined the outbreak of the deadly Ebola virus in Africa, as well as HIV/AIDS victims, concluded that H1N1 possesses certain transmission “vectors” that suggest that the new flu strain has been genetically-manufactured as a military biological warfare weapon.

    This is reaching the threshold at which I begin to think there is truly something amiss.

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  13. criticalcontrarian

    Chill people. US government debt default and selling off military equipment will come before these robots get mass produced. China will have a man on the moon and a space station up by the time NASA is sold to private interests to pay off public debt. I’d be more worried about a few criminal military elements selling off your nooklar weapons to Third World countries, and assorted terrorizers.

    I have to admit Elaine, DARPA can be amusing.

  14. David

    What we are seeing is just the logical outcome of a training of our children for this scenario which, in my opinion, began long ago.

    Now, I know that some will think I am nuttier than usual when I say this, but, if you will remember, about 20 to 25 years ago, the newest toy rage were transformers and go bots and the beginning of video games like Pac Man and Missile Command. The toys that had a robotic appearance and could be twisted and changed and turned into evil looking monster weapons….don’t remember for sure if there was a movie about this, but there were certainly cartoons about transformers and go bots.

    I’ve commented before that the SUV craze was just a targeted marketing gimmick to get a now grown GoBot/Transformer generation to buy cars…design them in semi square…heavy, strong looking shapes, and paint them silver, and the people who loved their go bots and transformers as children will buy them…and they did, in massive numbers….the psychological control over consumers was amazing.

    So, what we have now, with the new weapons robots is just a logical outgrowth of what weapons designers played with as children…not dolls or toy soldiers or wooden swords or cowboy pistols, but non human toys that did battle with each other, except that these real robots that Elaine writes about also do battle with humans and exterminates them…thus taking the responsibility for eliminating other humans away from those who own them.

    From ancient times, through Napoleon…though WWII until after Vietnam, boys played with warrior toys and toy soldiers as children, and then, as they grew to adulthood, they put on uniforms and became soldiers themselves…and fought face to face with swords, and later with guns, but still took responsibility for the killing themselves.

    Ah, but this is a different generation, it is the generation that has been trained with video games where the player who eliminates the most electronic bad guys is high scorer…and the winner….amoral, impersonal, with no attachment or feelings whatsoever toward the electronic opponents that the gamer murders…only elation at being able to survive and continue playing until you have a higher score than everyone else…and finally win a level…complete control and rest before continuing the fight.

    Remember, you felt no sorrow for all of the dots that PAC man ate up…..and you knew what would happen if you didn’t desperately keep shooting down incoming enemy missiles in Missile Command.

    Then, it moved to DOOM and Quaken, and Wolfenstein where the objective was continual battle until you cleared all levels of all opponents.

    The military now trains soldiers and fighter pilots with video games….for soldiers, a great way for them to learn tactics where they round corners, check for hiding places and ambushes and so on and the troops can have mental fun as they train to become great squad tacticians without thinking about killing real people…

    So the conditioned response thing kicks in in real battle and the soldier can go from room to room…mind on automatic detect mode and instantly fire real weapons at perceived threats…killing anyone who gets in the way.

    Only later, with time to reflect, will any awareness of real murder and mayhem begin to enter into the mind….but, as we read about nowadays, instant amnesia drugs can be given, and memories of the mayhem and blood and guts blown all over the place will be eliminated.

    All a beautiful scenario for killing.

    And robotic weapons are just another logical extension of our technology…and disdain for killing with one’s own hands and fighting face to face with an opponent like battlefields of earlier times.

    Many of today’s young do not really like boxing, and face to face conflict, except maybe for football, but we all know how we feel about those huge guys who play that game, and they have become just big dumb entertainers for many of us…

    So the game that was once a training ground for the battlefield is now becoming somewhat obsolete except for maybe the dancing virgin cheerleaders…who are just as interesting as ever.

    So, now a skilled soldier no longer has to shoot the other guy or stab him with blood and guts spilling all over everything and everybody. He just climbs into a chair in front of his console, and goes to gaming, killing opponents with his or her joystick and game button pad, following orders from an officer who is also following orders from some official who is also following the orders of a dead-eyed old elite somewhere who hates all humanity except himself and his kith and kin.

    And afterward, the kid just pops a little pill and all memories of the game is erased…just like playing chess and the controls of the game is far removed from the death and destruction and suffering that is occurring and is being implemented by the killer robots…

    At least that is the scenario that elites and their planners might envision, but we can also be assured that humans on the other end will resist…such resistance has occurred in every conflict since the beginning of time…and humans are ingenious, and find ways of neutralizing machines…

    Interestingly, machines are not flexible..even computers….they all have a back door or a glitch that can be exploited…once discovered, I think of John Conner who had caught and reprogrammed a terminator in the second movie…and such stuff happens.

    The bio warfare thing is another matter too. We can be assured that if humans think of it, it will be used at some point…even our most horrible weapons have been used.

    Even during the Vietnam War we soldiers were injected with all kinds of vaccines that were supposed to protect us from enemy bio warfare…and some caused high fevers and severe reactions in some individuals…shock etc. I just don’t think that this can be good for the human body in the long run…maybe necessary, but not really good, and many many Vietnam veterans have had health problems, and their families also…so who knows what damages might have been done.

    This continues nowadays…and with the totally cynical mindset that guides elites who seem to feel that the lives of the masses are of little value anymore, except as servants and creators of killing machines and as warriors to move around the international chessboard at will.

    I am leery of their intentions, and my level of trust is not too high…Bush co. destroyed that and I’m not yet seeing much improvement in that area.

    As I’ve heard many times and someone just said on this blog. Just because you are paranoid does not mean that people are not out to do you harm…intentionally or unintentionally.

    Perhaps, in some cases, human paranoia is a natural defense mechanism against harm to the person when sensitive, intelligent people sense that something is amiss…a protective instinct almost.

    As far as flu vaccines is concerned, I just must tell this distantly related story.

    When the polio vaccine first was administered to grade school children in the poverty ridden old Southern country school house where wife and I started first grade together, we had one principal who had the burden of the entire school administration on him. He could not keep the place in order with all kinds of record keeping…

    So, wife and I (we started first grade together) and some others, I think it was about the 4th grade at the time, hid out from teachers who were rounding up kids for the shots…(we didn’t want to get a needle) and we escaped taking them. Only much later when we were nearly grown and were dating, did we take the oral vaccine…and we escaped polio….but here’s the kicker….the early vaccine was later discovered to be contaminated with monkey cancer cells that do cause some cancer in the people who took the early vaccine as they grow older and their immune systems weaken…and it was know early on, according to today’s research, and was pooh poohed as being insignificant…so wife and I were scared of someone sticking needles in us and messing with us, and our fears served us well in that specific case since neither of us has yet had cancer…knock, knock, knock on wood.

    What I would personally prefer to do is wait and see before taking any specific vaccine for this new flu…time tells us a lot about these things.

    Bio warfare research is peaking nowadays.

    When in college earning one science degree, I majored in biology and took one course in microbiology. The double helix of human DNA had just been discovered….now, it has been mapped by computers…and scientists are testing to see which genes do what…and genetic manipulation is common. For example, nowadays, it is possible to attach a gene that makes a person vulnerable to a certain disease to a gene that, say, causes a big nose like, for example, many Jewish people have…and viola, you have a potential for ethnic cleansing without all of the hullabaloo created by gas chambers. Of course, this gene could also be attached to the gene or genes that increases the pigment in the skin or makes the eyes almond shaped…or a person obese.

    The potential for abuse is enormous, and the bio science industry needs to be super regulated by public officials who are responsible to the citizenry….but things are going in a diametrically opposed direction nowadays…and I think this is very dangerous for all of humanity…and probably will not change until a monumental disaster occurs.

    The scientific community is not open nowadays.

    For example, public information about the Anthrax attacks that occurred just after 9/11 was covered up in the US…perhaps to add to the fear scenarios in the minds of the public….

    It is very interesting to note that after this event occurred I was searching everywhere for information about what might be going on…stupid, curious me. A week after the attacks, Pravda had a little article down near the end of their online edition that said that Russian Intelligence had discovered that the anthrax came from Ft. Dietrich. Six months later, the FBI finally announced the same thing. So, we can see why the powers want Internet censorship.

    Objectively, I think we can expect to see some genocide campaigns to be carried out covertly in disguise against specific peoples, races and ethnicities at some point in the future. When the folks who did the anthrax attacks were willing to attack the US Congress, we can be assured that they will have little compunction about going after lesser proles if they are in the way of their dreams and schemes.

    No, I am having a lot of difficulty trusting our glorious leaders. The swine flue is just too convenient…and I read somewhere that old Don Rumsfelt had close ties to the company that makes Tamiflu…a ready made money machine…

    Interesting times indeed.

  15. mind control

    Case 26 Your Sickness and Genocide Planned in the USA

    http://www.mediafire.com/?yydwgijmuaz

    “Depopulation should be the highest priority of US foreign policy towards the Third World….”. Henry Kissinger National Security Memorandum (NSSM 200) early 1970’s

    The US Shadow Govt. had a covert stated goal to depopulate the Earth down to 500 million people from the about 6 billion on it currently. Their planning document to do that formed the basis of the US Army’s Chemical and Biological Warfare Divisions research efforts. I am not alone in saying this.

  16. emsnews

    You were extremely fortunate not to get polio, David. The reason you escaped this fate was probably due to everyone getting the shots so the epidemic stopped in its tracks. If everyone did what you did, the epidemic would have raged onwards.

    A lot of people are being told to not get anti-flu shots. There is good paranoia and bad paranoia. For example, underestimating Mother Nature is dangerous. Subscribing ALL events to malice is also dangerous.

    We get these viral epidemics like clockwork throughout history. Why, all the way back to 93,000 years ago, nearly all humans were killed off by an epidemic!

    I see lots of hysterical websites devoted to ‘health’ talk and a some of these are very nasty, giving very bad advice.

    As for the cancer epidemic: IT WAS CAUSED BY THE PENTAGON. I can’t emphasize this enough! What caused it?

    NUCLEAR BOMB TESTS. These damn tests went on and on and on and on. Russia, China, France as well as the US did many tests. All living things were hammered by radiation which spread all over the planet especially when tests were done in the atmosphere. It truly puzzles me why people don’t think about THAT a lot more!

    Worse: the Pentagon knew these tests were poisoning everyone! I know this because I overheard scientists talking about this in hushed tones, in private! And they were forbidden to talk about it in public.

    That is definitely a conspiracy to poison everyone! But oddly enough, the ‘conspiracy’ websites seldom mention this business. I suggest everyone think very, very hard, why this is so. Remember: you can’t trust ANYONE. If you want to be paranoid, remember this when you read paranoid websites, especially ones that ‘disappear’ and then ‘reappear’ elsewhere.

    This includes me. Be paranoid about me! And note that I talk about this mental process a lot. I want everyone to remember all the time that people will gaily suggest you do all sorts of dumb things while not doing these same dumb things, themselves.

    If I were very malicious (note that DARPA is VERY malicious) I would run websites telling people all sorts of goofy things so they don’t protect themselves. Then, they are eliminated by the next epidemic which scientists know, Mother Nature is constantly cooking up.

  17. emsnews

    Dear mind control: the elites would never, ever use a very easily spread virus that attacks healthy people if they want depopulation. It just does not even begin to be a possible ‘tool’. It is way, way too dangerous and viruses mutate due to Mother Nature being the ultimate population killer not to mention, total annihilator as the history of life on earth clearly illustrates.

    On the other hand, the idea that the elites might use killing robots to clear out humans is VERY PROBABLE. Which is why I worry about that much more. Not to mention, WWIII. Which is VERY PROBABLE.

  18. JSmith

    “I mean, what’s up with these guys? What were they drinking?”

    Just some engineers, messing around witth some grant money. When engineers meet grant money… hijinks ensue.

    “I figure, it should dawn on people’s minds that DARPA is DARTH VADER.”

    Thank you, DARPA (formerly ARPA) for inventing the internet!

    “And of course, [Isreali roadsign changes] is being done as a slap at the natives. Who will be denied their own names, language and writing system.”

    Hebrew predates Arabic. Or are you maintaining that Jews are not native to the area?

    “The US Shadow Govt. had a covert stated goal to depopulate the Earth down to 500 million people from the about 6 billion on it currently.”

    In order to accomplish that you don’t need to create any new diseases; all you have to do is stop developing and administering cures for the old reliable ones.

    Once upon a time, before the germ theory of disease and pharmaceutical therapy were developed, nature did a great job of controlling the human population – no conspiracy required.

    Not that population reduction isn’t a worthy goal: 6 billion humans is too damn many humans. My wife and I have done our part: we didn’t breed. But it’s time for other people to step up to the challenge here!

  19. criticalcontrarian

    @David: I think what you are trying to say is that is how they anesthesize the youth into thinking, feeling and acting out killing as acceptable behavior. The robotics and remote control just makes it even that more impersonal and inhuman. The message is, we are top of the food chain, not only do we eat anything that moves, we can kill anything we want to according to the ism of choice. What can I tell you, our tech is the only thing evolving in our humanity, while our base instincts are enhanced at the cost of our spirituality being erased.

    About all these epidemics, the best defense is a good immune system. I suggest you read up on oil pulling. It is an old Ayurvedic preventative that does wonders for the immune system. Cheap, easy to practice and very effective. I know this from personal experience, its part of my daily routine. Fixes a lot of problems.

    @Elaine, all of this news coming out on Cheney’s hit squads (http://tinyurl.com/mfnlss) dovetail with what I have been saying all along about terrorists. Real terrorists like Cheney are target specific; no targeting of old ladies and school children. So Tricky Dicky’s Muslim or otherwise counterpart should be targeting “high value targets” like him, or his ilk, how simple is that to understand? 😉

  20. RobG

    Citi won’t be bailed out: CIT won’t get bailout, raising bankruptcy prospect

    CIT said late Wednesday that negotiations with regulators about a possible rescue had broken off after days of round-the-clock talks.

    The move marked a defining moment for the Obama administration and showed it’s drawing a line in the sand on federal rescues for troubled financial firms.

  21. RobG

    Interesting read here, what could happen next: Washington’s Dilemma

    Now, two years after FED repair operations began on the broken credit system, and over 3 years since US real estate topped in price, major portions of the country are staring at further home price declines in most major markets. Indeed, it appears that the same macro cycle of the last two Autumns is about to repeat, with more waves of foreclosure, more withdrawals from savings and investment to pay for living expenses, and the attendant bailouts of financial institutions that comes around each time.

    Washington can’t really take a pass on this situation. If the federal government decides it can wait while “the states rebuild their balance sheets and clean up their payrolls” (as in past recessions) they’ll be waiting forever. None of that is underway. It’s no surprise therefore that the country is already being prepped for a second stimulus. Sure, Washington would like to act tough and tell the States to clean up their act. This is the moral hectoring version of Ben Bernanke saying in 2006 he doubts US real estate will ever decline year over year, or Treasury Secty Paulson saying that the front-end of the crisis was just a problem contained to sub-prime. We’ve seen this script before. If California issuing IOUs in a state where banks refuse to accept them doesn’t get the message across, nothing will. We are on the front end, not the back end, of a crisis within the States.

    Unless Washington prints up dollars and bails out the States, of what use is Washington? Exactly what services can Washington provide, if California is let go? Left on its own, there would no doubt come an initial hooray from rubber-neckers and I-Told-You-So-ers. A newly broken relationship between Washington and the states might also quicken the pulse of anti-federalists, who feel we are long overdue for a tip in the balance of power. Perhaps it would all work out well. For the best, even? In Washington today the annual budget deficit crossed the one trillion mark.

  22. mind control

    The use of uranium weapons is a crime against humanity. All governments must force cessation of uranium weapons use. Israel should provide medical care to all DU casualties in Lebanon and clean up all DU contamination.
    http://www.paltelegraph.com/middle-east/77-middle-east/1171-exclusive-3-evidence-is-revealed-du-rods-and-sabots-survived-the-inferno-at-camp-doha

  23. nah

    http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE56F18W20090716
    Talks fail to break California budget impasse
    .
    “There’s no nastiness in the discussions, no blowups,” he said at a press conference. “There’s none of that, so I think we have a good shot of getting the budget done today.”
    .
    ahnold’ is like a machine about fixing at least the budget for now… how long has he been beetin’ that drum now… its like for politicians to put there neck out and do what has to be done required a complete meltdown… hey that kind of reminds me of the national level
    .
    i dont know if the most efficient system is one which is knee jerk economics that allows for lobbyists to rule the day ‘most of the time’… there must be a way for politicians to stand up and head off crisis by talking to the AMERICAN PEOPLE… they can only run propaganda adz about mary twinkler is a devil worshiping tax zombie… vs more ron pauls mantra of 5 steps out of a crisis and into a new economic paradigm… must meen that barney frank and his lot are more open mided than paul, pork the system till it squeelz then you will have lots of people to blame by that point
    .
    i would like paul to get more power, he may not be rite about everything but to lead, you have to have a plan… and as stoopid as it seems his is the only real plan i can see that has a real chance for a better US future
    .
    i dont know if anyone else has a plan of direction at all, hell almost sounds like rahm, clinton, and company like a crisis atmosphere ‘it makes for juicy legislation’

  24. CK

    I continue to read that ARMs are all going to reset and or recast and that hell will erupt forthwith.
    But
    All the ARMs that I have come across are based on some short term interest rate, usually a 12 month moving average of that short term rate.
    So some folks with ARMS are now paying a 3.8% mortgage interest. Which, since the payment schedule was set when interest rates were higher, means that each month they are paying down more and more principle as well.
    Rotten people taking advantage of the Banks that way.

  25. nah

    and the media will always say things are better as times change… thats what there paid to blurt but as the past year has devoured the economy i can see there are alot of powerful bullshitters in the states, and as few of them as possible are going to be rooted out ‘probably in the best interest of the system’

  26. Matheus

    Israeli navy in Suez Canal prepares for potential attack on Iran

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6715412.ece

  27. nah

    Good Thing We Got Rid of “Regulator Arbitrage”!
    http://www.monkeybusinessblog.com/mbb_weblog/2009/07/good-thing-we-got-rid-of-regulator-arbitrage.html
    Lets translate this because it’s real simple. Goldman wants to be a bank holding company so they will never have to worry about pesky things like liquidity and funding rates ever again. However, they would still like to be regulated by Mrs. Doubtfire….the SEC. Splendid. Like Zero Hedge says, “Mr. Von Praag, the floor is yours….again.”
    .
    Lets Make GS The New Federal Reserve And Just Forget About Debt, Taxes, Banking, Markets, and goldman… the old fed sux anyways look like congress may want to rein them in

  28. JSmith

    Airliner crashes in Iran, killing all 168

    So what do we have here…

    1) The CIA planted a bomb?

    2) The Iranians planted a bomb so people will think it’s the CIA?

    3) Shot down by a UAV?

    4) Unscheduled aircraft-ground interface on the part of a poorly-maintained 3rd world airliner?

    (I lean toward #4.)

  29. JSmith

    “I suggest you read up on oil pulling. It is an old Ayurvedic preventative that does wonders for the immune system. Cheap, easy to practice and very effective. I know this from personal experience, its part of my daily routine. Fixes a lot of problems.”

    I change my oil every 3000 whether it needs it or not. Keeps things running smooth!

  30. K-Bo

    OT, but then again most comments here are.

    After Elaine’s latest praise for Ron Paul’s stances against the Federal Reserve and involvement in foreign affairs, here’s him speaking out against government involvement in health care:

    http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/281590/Healthcare-Is-%22Not-a-Right%22-and-Obama%27s-Plan-Will-Cost-Way-Beyond-1T-Ron-Paul-Says

    I’m sure Elaine won’t agree, but I think Ron Paul’s libertarian instincts are correct once again. Obama said health care is a right. Ron, a physician (who was very generous and never took Medicare payments, from what I hear), says he himself has no “right” to health care, but wants everyone to have medical care.

    The more government gets involved and controls everything, the less freedom we have, the more things cost, and the less of the things/services we have – with very few exceptions.

  31. emsnews

    Ron Paul has severe limitations. One is, he can’t see that we are rivals with all other industrial nations. ALL industrial nations that are powerful have national health care. The US has a patchwork system that is extremely expensive and leeches immense amount of money out of the productive side of the system.

    Congress is NOT fixing this at all. And if people want to live with very limited health care, well, this will make us more like Mexico. Wonderful. ACK. ARE WE NUTS????

  32. emsnews

    About the virus that is killing people: healthy people are often the ones who die in these epidemics. Having a good immune system is a danger here! Odd as that may sound.

  33. Paul S

    I think Ron Paul is a great member of Congress, but I think he’s a bit off the mark in reforming health care. The “Free” market principles won’t work with health care; people can’t choose to be diabetic or not, they can’t choose to skip taking a medication because it’s too expensive, etc. And Big Pharma and Big Insurance take FULL advantage of this captive customer base. These health care lobbies also spend ALOT of time, money and people to make sure the “Free” market (read, competition) isn’t applied. The Free market kills profits. To counter the power of the health care lobby, an agency with real power is needed to enforce regulation with the purpose being to ensure everyone can get the medical care they need. Big Pharma and Big Insurance won’t do this on their own; they don’t care if people go bankrupt trying to pay off medical bills. The track record of the health care lobby is pretty clear on this point.

  34. I think i had ‘swine flu’ a few weeks ago, not offical because finding out looked like a big hassle but the symptoms fit and why else would i get flu off season. It was unpleasant but nothing unusual.

  35. criticalcontrarian

    @JSmith: Iran has placed some of the blame for its poor aviation safety record on sanctions imposed by the United States, claiming they have hampered efforts to perform maintenance and obtain spare parts. http://tinyurl.com/knep6h

    Interesting bit of reporting that, coming from a Canadian news company, about an Iranian airline, blaming US sanctions for the crash, on Russian made aircraft. Brilliant agitprop.

  36. criticalcontrarian

    @JSmith: incidentally, you wouldn’t in anyway be related to the Smith mentioned in this article related to the swine flu, would you? 🙂
    http://tinyurl.com/lmv4rw

  37. David

    Elaine:

    I agree with you about the radiation killing thousands or even millions…my mother-in-law was one of them when wife was age 17…mom died at age 50 with liver cancer…liver cleans impurities from the blood.

    I certainly do not advocate giving up on vaccines completely, that too would be disastrous.

    However, I once watched an interview of the top Russian scientist in charge of the former Soviet bio weapons program, and he said that, after a point, if enough diverse bio weapons could be created and targeted at an enemy, the vaccines to protect would so alter the immune systems that the vaccines would cause the body to attack itself…and that was one of the goals of the program Russia had in place at that time.

    Makes me wonder about all of the autism and learning disabilities and odd behavioral problems we see in schools nowadays, not to mention everyone is allergic to everything…these seemed to be rarities when I attended school…and little obesity then either.

    I used to watch this bio/science stuff quite often since I have always been interested in science and technology.

    Now, maybe I should not have brought this line of thinking up in relation to killer robots, but all of the hullabaloo about pandemics started under the Bush co. and is continuing today…and I remember during the Vietnam war the flu scare was promoted also…and everyone ran out and got vaccinated then too…

    And when fear is running high, it’s a hell of a way to make money for drug companies.

    I was not lying about the monkey virus… goto Wikipedia and scroll down to contamination concerns, and read…no conclusive results have been found in subsequent studies…and we paranoid people know that the medical establishment, which is always afraid of coming under scrutiny in public trust issues, controls these studies…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salk_polio_vaccine#Inactivated_vaccine

    And, “what the mind of man can conceive and believe, it can make happen”…one of the old mantras of the Robber Barons.

    Sorry that I’m not as trusting as I should be nowadays. Gimme something to trust, and I will again become a trusting person….

    I say to our leaders, show us that you care for our good health and welfare…if you want our trust.

    ********
    To see some of what Elaine is talking about,
    go to YouTube and search for active denial systems and future weapons to see some interesting stuff….
    ___
    Hands-on killing is passe’. Just gimme the console and a game controller and I’ll clean their clocks of any time left on this earth, and never break a sweat doing it.
    ___
    Days of unapproved protests are gone

    Remote controlled tank.

    Israelis kill without even getting their hair mussed.

    Enough of this….now we know why we are broke!
    ****
    I have to go to work now…clear mind of this crap….carpenter work today…cleanses the soul…making something useful for humanity.

  38. Niels

    The EATR robots could be a satire. But most likely it is a rip-off scheme by a defense contractor as it is obvious that the EATR machines could not possibly work. Best wishes.

  39. K-Bo

    I agree with Elaine that we need health care reform to compete with foreign countries. Having high relative health care costs (and labor, and pension, and taxes) does hurt business here. However, emulating another imperfect health care system isn’t the best answer (though maybe an acceptable one). The best answer to my naive, uninformed mind, is to set the right incentives, prevent corruption and waste, and let the free markets work.

    Yes, we have limited health care resources and funds to pay for them, and need to limit access to care – the same way everything else in the world is limited. Sorry folks, but that’s reality. The goal is equitable and efficient distribution.

    Paul S is right, the entrenched interests who make lots of money want to maintain the status quo, consolidate their power, and have less competition – in effect, preventing a free market. And like everything else, politicians are complicit (bought) in maintaining the status quo.

    Some possible ways to improve health care off the top of my head:
    – allow health insurance companies to compete across states (bigger pool of buyers = more leverage for lower prices)
    – root out fraud
    – get rid of the idiotic “fee for service” model where providers get more $ for doing multiple tests and procedures (needed or not); give them an incentive for being efficient with their care
    – have government or some other non-partisan body fund comparative / head-to-head treatment studies to see what really works best to avoid wasting money on stuff that doesn’t work
    – provide funding or otherwise emphasize / incentivize preventative medicine (make people responsible for themselves! exercise, eat right, don’t smoke, or else *you* will have to pay for it)
    – limit medical liability to prevent doctors practicing defensive medicine for fear of being sued
    – mandate national interoperable medical records standards with patient rights to everything (to avoid repeat procedures and errors, and to make things more efficient)
    – give patients some “skin in the game” where they have to spend their own money for care (not the government’s or the insurance company’s) and they will be sure to look for and drive lower prices.

    These are just a few ideals of free markets with personal choice. Everybody else just wants to pay lots of taxes and let the government decide what they can have done, because that’s the way the other socialist countries do it?

    [End rant]

  40. K-Bo

    Funny how I just read something by Peter Schiff echoing some of my thoughts:

    http://news.goldseek.com/EuroCapital/1246046400.php

    “Rather than allowing more bad policy to drive health care costs further upward, we should be looking at ways to allow market forces to reign them back in. If left alone, the free market drives quality up and costs down. Government programs produce the opposite result.”

    linked from an article highly critical of Peter:

    http://seekingalpha.com/article/149249-peter-schiff-wrong-on-the-economy-wrong-on-healthcare-part-1-of-4

  41. ”We KNOW the plan is for all of us to die and all of the elites to live in the Garden of Eden. ”

    Sounds like a good plan.

  42. Paul S

    “If left alone, the free market drives quality up and costs down.” That’s technically true. I can remember shopping online for an eye exam. I wanted to see an opthamologist not an optician. And the fees can very quite a bit (higher fees in rich people’s parts of town, lower elsewhere). So the consumer has to have access to pricing, number 1. Number 2, the consumer needs to be able to find information on the quality of care and level of competence of his/her physician. A layperson could find it difficult to assess a physician’s qualifications. Medical care is not like other services a consumer uses/needs, so there can be problems applying similar standards of measurement. Not impossible, but more difficult.

  43. K-Bo

    Excellent points Paul. I think people=consumers should be empowered to have access to health care pricing and quality, just like they do for anything else they buy. The quality/outcome information already exists to some extent – people always ask each other what do you know about Dr. X?, there is state licensing, and the government is pushing for more of this “pay for performance” and tracking of outcomes. So people now shop for quality (as long as the provider is in their insurance network), but have no idea what things cost.

    I remain unconvinced that free market principles will not work for health care.
    I have a hard time buying the argument that people are not sophisticated enough to make well-informed health care choices.
    Maybe health care is special since it’s life or death, people can’t choose to delay some care, and thus it’s easier to charge outrageous prices, but I think a free, competitive market would solve that.

    I like Schiff’s idea of having people pay for their routine care, and have insurance in case of catastrophe. Can you imagine applying our current U.S. health care model to taking care of your house or your car?

  44. emsnews

    Problem with that is, people will NOT see doctors until very sick. Not a good system at all.

  45. nah

    CNBC: You Owe America An Apology
    http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/2009/07/16.html
    .
    CNBC you have a challenger to the world moron bullshit title of the world

  46. nah

    emsnews
    July 16, 2009 at 10:48 pm
    Problem with that is, people will NOT see doctors until very sick. Not a good system at all.
    .
    I have sucked up some painful bloody shit for over a year to just get insurance… anyone that says you have to wait for 6mo for coverage is talking about a blessing to me… if you dont have insurance you mite as well just die FACT LIMBA

  47. nah

    AND LIMBA IM STRAIT ROBBED THOSE INSURANCE FAGS BLIND WITH MY 6MO OF 75 A MO AND COPAY EAT MY ASSHOLE FAT BOI FOR LESS THAN $8 AN HR

  48. nah

    ER 1YR OF FUCK SLAVING IN HELL

  49. nah

    eat my asshole limba *cry*

  50. criticalcontrarian

    @nah: just my unsolicited advice brother, suggest you get a copy of the book One Minute Cure by Madison Cavanaugh, it might just have what you need, depending on your condition. Widely available, inexpensive and easy to administer. I also have it in .PDF format if you want it. There is always hope.

  51. ‘One Minute Cure by Madison Cavanaugh’

    Critical? WTF? thats the scamiest snake oil thingy I’ve seen in a while.

  52. criticalcontrarian

    @ziff house: have you tried it? I have a few friends who have, some who were terminal and no longer are, and swear by it. If you know of anything negative regarding the same I would appreciate your input.

  53. David

    K-Bo:

    Well, nobody wants to talk about killing machines, so I will jump in on the health care discussion.
    ___

    Private health insurance in today’s largely unregulated US, where wealthy insurance companies have legislators in their pockets is rather unworkable.

    These companies pay legislators to ease government regulations on them, and then they change the amount they pay for patient care on a whim, and patients have no say in the matter, and patients, who are often without jobs nowadays, often cannot even afford health insurance.

    Private insurance companies are in business to make a profit, and collecting higher premiums and dispersing less payouts is always the goal…always has been….and if they own legislators as noted about…well, you know the rest.

    This, reasonably is not a system that has the patient’s interest in mind at all…especially as patients grow increasingly more expensive to maintain as they grow older, and health problems increase.

    I recently posted a piece where I talked to an insurance co. cost cutter for nursing homes where she, in so many words, told me that it was desirable to let the really sick elderly die in favor of providing preventive care for the younger patients….cost cutting at patient expense.

    So, this is why there has been huge resistance to change and removing regulations of private insurance providers…and increasing calls, as you are doing K-Bo, for more patient responsibility (which means loading more and more of the cost of care on the elderly, unemployed patients, and allowing insurance companies to dictate to doctors minimal care proceedures to limit payouts).

    These insurance companies have collected billions upon billions of dollars from relatively healthy working Baby Boomers over the years and their executives have lived like kings from these premiums, and now is time to pay the piper as these folks grow older, but the insurance executive bastards, like every other bastard in high places nowadays, don’t want to face their obligations…and want to shirk them, even if it means that the elderly suffer without care and die sooner.

    Elaine has documented how the financiers and corporatists have scammed and stolen from everyone, but I’ve not heard of government auditing the condition of private insurance companies.

    So, I question whether these companies are even viable in some cases….or should we just add them to the derivatives basket cases. Have they been running the same kinds of scams that the hedge funds have been running?

    Who the hell knows nowadays, but I can almost bet that they are not in really great shape…or that they are very trustworthy in relation to meeting long standing obligations.
    ***
    Very simple….we need public funded health care with regulations on amounts doctors can charge, and also, have the doctors malpractice cases handled by an official board of inquiry…(whether the problem was an honest mistake or gross negligence, with reasonable, board imposed fines or limited or, in gross negligence cases, permanent suspensions of medical licenses) with payouts to patients to include government medical care for harm done, and very, very limited monetary punitive damages to be paid for by the doctor.

    If such a system were in place, doctors could afford to charge less for patient care, and taxpayers and patients would benefit also.

    Also, in such a system, the government needs to provide a standard fee to pay for filling out forms at the doctors office with computerized record keeping so the Doctor can instantly punch in what procedure, diagnosis and remedy assigned, and can then go home at the end of the day without doing half a night of business and paperwork after treating patients all day.

    The relationship between doctor and patient should be protected at all costs, with the doctor as the final expert on what care is given, and only when problems develop and the patient claims malpractice, should anyone else become involved…and those who do should be medical experts also.

    This is the only viable way to go…

    Private health care is a dead duck in the US in the near future.

    It has been thrown under the bus by greedy corporatists and financiers who outsourced future jobs of Americans who would have ordinarily been paying future insurance premiums to private companies.

    And these short-sighted corporatists shipped those jobs to China which already pays for workers health care in many cases…except in the peasant countryside, as I understand, and the peasants are raising hell for the same benefits that the city folk have there.

    So, from this standpoint, the slowest of us can see that our greedy corporatists and financiers not only destroyed our manufacturing base and our jobs base and our middle class.

    The parasitic bastards also destroyed private health insurance companies in America.

    K-Bo. The US will inevitably be forced to go the socialist medicine route in health care…whether we want to or not.

    Fascism thinks it can force solutions, but often those solutions turn into things that force a growth of what fascists dislike the most, socialism…and this is what has happened here.

    Of course, for now, they will procrastinate and delay while as many baby boomers as possible are allowed to die off from a lack of adequate care.

    And private insurance companies will try to hang on tooth and nail…hoping to regain a place in America again, but this will not happen until there is a recreation of jobs for Americans so they can pay the premiums…

    Or maybe private insurance executives will support slapping huge tariffs on imports to pay for some kind of government-private partnership in health care while conditions for creating new American manufacturing jobs are improved for the future….a nice thought from my standpoint…let these insurance executive give the US workers something in order to get something back.

    In the meantime, us old farts will just have to die on off…

    This is a hell of a system that we love and support isn’t it?

  54. JSmith

    “Ron, a physician (who was very generous and never took Medicare payments, from what I hear)…”

    To quote Elaine: Hahaha.

    There are quite a few doctors who don’t take Medicare payments. It’s not because the doctors are generous, it’s because Medicare pays diddly.

    “an Iranian airline, blaming US sanctions for the crash, on Russian made aircraft. Brilliant agitprop.”

    Pretty standard agitprop, if you ask me. We see it all the time: no matter what happens, it’s always someone else’s fault.

    “incidentally, you wouldn’t in anyway be related to the Smith mentioned in this article related to the swine flu”

    No… That’s not “Smith”, it’s “Smithfield”. Notice the difference there?

    “I recently posted a piece where I talked to an insurance co. cost cutter for nursing homes where she, in so many words, told me that it was desirable to let the really sick elderly die in favor of providing preventive care for the younger patients….cost cutting at patient expense.”

    Sounds to me like that’s allocating resources where they will do the most good.

    Health care can be expensive overall, but if you look at what costs are incurred at what point, the really expensive stuff, where the multi-hundred-thousand-dollar tabs are run up… is in trying to wring a few extra weeks of life out of someone who’s up to the waist in the grave already.

    Just because we can do that, doesn’t mean we should do that.

    Once upon a time people actually died without a great deal of fuss and bother. Doctors would say, for example, “S/he’s terminal,” and care at that point would be palliative – meaning the effort was to keep the patient comfortable over the last few days or weeks.

    Now the effort in many cases is to keep ’em alive as long as possible – “alive” being defined as having a pulse and respiration. To what end I’m not certain, except for some inability to let go that I’m sure I don’t understand.

  55. criticalcontrarian

    When traditional medicine uses the word palliative it only means one thing, they don’t know what to do with your medical condition. They will not consider alternative, naturopathy or other medical disciplines because it is not a part of their racket. What I do not agree with is how they ban, control or inhibit alternatives because they do not meet the FDA requirements for testing, etc. Another form of obstructive medicine. In this light the FDA is the medical counterpart of the Fed. Notice how they don’t give a shit if you smoke, drink or eat yourself to death, but if you mess with their pharma business you are toast. Food for thought.

  56. JSmith

    “They will not consider alternative, naturopathy or other medical disciplines because it is not a part of their racket. ”

    I won’t consider it either: that bullcrap doesn’t work.

    People may say it works, but I think a comparison of survival rates between “alternative” practice and standard medicine would be interesting but hardly necessary.

  57. criticalcontrarian

    As far as I am concerned it is a personal choice. Everyone should be able to choose how they want to die. If they don’t care if you kill yourself through lung cancer or alcoholism so long as you buy their cigarettes and booze then they shouldn’t tell you what to do with medicine. All pick and choose, or like Elaine says, being Pro Life but abetting torture and war. It’s all about whatever is expedient, convenient, and let’s not forget, profitable. And the clueless following is huge.

  58. CK

    Recent studies have found that smoking cigarettes significantly reduces the incidence of alzeheimer’s and parkinson’s.

  59. David

    JS:

    I won’t consider it either: [alternative, naturopathy or other medical disciplines] that bullcrap doesn’t work.

    Not necessarily so. My brother was a pharmacist, and he said that many old time, natural remedies were simply packaged and bottled and added to the medicine list that requires a prescription before being legally sold…so it’s a money game as far as big pharma is concerned, and patient health is secondary, as we’ve seen over and over again with recalls of certain medicines that cause harm….here I go being distrustful again.

    As CC said, Like lots of other things in America, Some of it, at least, is a racket.

    Wife had a “crazy” uncle who was a multi-millionaire. As an example of uncle’s craziness, the guy joined the Army and fought WWII at age 42 as an enlisted man..in the jungles of Burma..of all places…not much harsher living than that. The guy came home and invested in space technology before there was a space program…and became rich. He still lived alone in the woods in a large moble home that was, in essence, a large personal library…with thousands of books.

    As far as his health, this “crazy guy” grew herbs, drank yellow root tea and made all kinds of goofy holistic medicines and poltices himself, and never that I remember, visited a doctor, until he finally was unable to care for himself at age 95.

    The guy finally died though, at age 98, and left my wife and all relatives a little money, which he passed out equally, no matter who they were.

    Great old guy, and very smart too, and took care of himself with alternative medicines.

    So, as we baby boomers grow older, and are abandoned by the insurance companies and big pharma and the accepted medical profession, we might have to explore alternatives like wife’s “crazy” uncle did.

    At least, then, we would not just sit and wait to die after being abandoned.

  60. emsnews

    Love your wife’s uncle story. 🙂

  61. David

    Thanks Elaine:

    Was surfing through YouTube stuff last night and found a song that I think is appropriate for you since you like Pagan and Celtic stuff.

    Hope you enjoy.

  62. K-Bo

    JSmith, I should’ve clarified:

    “Ron, a physician (who was very generous and never took Medicare payments, from what I hear)…”

    To quote Elaine: Hahaha.

    There are quite a few doctors who don’t take Medicare payments. It’s not because the doctors are generous, it’s because Medicare pays diddly.

    I meant he refused to accept government payment OUT OF PRINCIPLE, not because he was a greedy doctor who wanted the highest payment from private insurers.

    See http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art23629.asp

    “Paul is a staunch believer in limited government. While he was a medical doctor, he refused to accept Medicare and Medicaid payments. He would lower his fees or even do the work free, in order to avoid taking government money. Paul refuses to sign up for the government pension, which he would be entitled to as a congressman.”

    You make a good point about end of life care. It’s hard for loved ones to let go of the dying person, and very expensive for society. I see it quite a bit when we do brain monitoring on people in comas who have very little chance of surviving. These are very tough choices in very sad situations. Makes you appreciate life.

    David, maybe socialized medicine is inevitable in the US. I just disagree on principle that it’s the best system. Our current system does need fixed, I just don’t want government screwing it up worse than it is now.

    Regarding alternative medicinces and your crazy uncle, my grandfather lived to be 94 treating himself with various herbal remedies, and eschewing most of modern medicine (including any anesthetic when he had to have his gum cancer removed – OUCH). So I think some of these natural remedies can work. It’s just hard to know which work, because there’s no money to be made from testing something you can’t charge people an arm and a leg for!

    My self-employed brother is without insurance and doing OK. All he really needs is something to cover the remote chance of catastrophe.

    CK – the effects of smoking on preventing Parkinson’s has been known for a decade or so. They’re looking at which compounds might be neuroprotective for the brain – without the harmful effects of smoking on the lungs and mouth. Right now other chemicals are being examined that appear more promising. Likewise, alcohol (esp. red wine) has anti-aging chemicals like resveratrol, and blood thinning that may prevent clot formation. So enjoy life, have a drink for your health!

  63. the fool on the hill

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Awareness_Office

    The Information Awareness Office (IAO) was established by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) in January 2002 to bring together several DARPA projects focused on applying information technology to counter asymmetric threats to national security. The IAO mission was to “imagine, develop, apply, integrate, demonstrate and transition information technologies, components and prototype, closed-loop, information systems that will counter asymmetric threats by achieving total information awareness.

    Folks, you really must click on this, if not to investigate this madness, then just to get a load of the “Information Awareness Office” goofy seal. It’s not subtle at all!

    On a related note, regarding ‘paranoid conspiracy theorists’, apparently one of our most revered mythological/historical figures, George Washington, fits into that category as well:
    http://tinyurl.com/yhha3w

    Mount Vernon, October 24, 1798.
    Revd Sir: I have your favor of the 17th. instant before me; and my only motive to trouble you with the receipt of this letter, is to explain, and correct a mistake which I perceive the hurry in which I am obliged, often, to write letters, have led you into.
    It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am.
    The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of seperation). That Individuals of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects; and actually had a seperation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned.

  64. the fool on the hill

    That previous Washington letter was a follow up to this one:

    http://tinyurl.com/ksko49

    Mount Vernon, September 25, 1798.
    Sir: Many apologies are due to you, for my not acknowledging the receipt of your obliging favour of the 22d. Ulto, and for not thanking you, at an earlier period, for the Book 8 you had the goodness to send me.
    [Note:Proofs of a Conspiracy &c , by John Robison. ]
    I have heard much of the nefarious, and dangerous plan, and doctrines of the Illuminati, but never saw the Book until you were pleased to send it to me. 9 The same causes which have prevented my acknowledging the receipt of your letter have prevented my reading the Book, hitherto; namely, the multiplicity of matters which pressed upon me before, and the debilitated state in which I was left after, a severe fever had been removed. And which allows me to add little more now, than thanks for your kind wishes and favourable sentiments, except to correct an error you have run into, of my Presiding over the English lodges in this Country. The fact is, I preside over none, nor have I been in one more than once or twice, within the last thirty years. I believe notwithstanding, that none of the Lodges in this Country are contaminated with the principles ascribed to the Society of the Illuminati. With respect I am &c.

    So Washington denies the assertion that he presides over any Lodges. Also, he asserts that he believes that the lodges in the U.S. were not ‘contaminated’, although the fact that he mentions not attending more than twice in the previous thirty years might inspire inquiring minds to wonder precisely what information led him to that conclusion.
    In any case, there appears reason to suspect that Cecil Rhodes indeed had his desire fulfilled posthumously that the British should re-annex its former colonies in the U.S. in 1913, de facto if not de jure.

  65. emsnews

    Washington worked as a surveyor with one of my distant ancestors, Henry Steele. Now, one of the founders of the Skull and Bones was the grandson of this guy. Ahem.

    The elements of black magic within the top echelons is quite real. Why is this?

    Well….to access the Cave of Wealth and Death, it helps to have assistance and to be forearmed, so to speak.

  66. JSmith

    “old time, natural remedies were simply packaged and bottled and added to the medicine list that requires a prescription before being legally sold…”

    That’s true. But those old-timey remedies have been refined and standardized, so you get the same dose every time. You can gnaw on a piece of willow bark, or you can buy a bottle of aspirin tablets containing a standardized dose of acetylsalicylic acid – without a prescription. The opiates and their derivatives work, too, but you do need a prescription for those.

    “It’s just hard to know which work, because there’s no money to be made from testing something you can’t charge people an arm and a leg for!”

    Unfortunately, also true. And it would be nice to have some clinical trials, too.

    This is apprpriate here:

    A Short History of Medicine
    2000 B.C. – “Here, eat this root.”
    1000 A.D. – “That root is heathen, say this prayer.”
    1850 A.D. – “That prayer is superstition, drink this potion.”
    1940 A.D. – “That potion is snake oil, swallow this pill.”
    1985 A.D. – “That pill is ineffective, take this antibiotic.”
    2000 A.D. – “That antibiotic is artificial. Here, eat this root.”
    ~Author Unknown

  67. the fool on the hill

    The elements of black magic within the top echelons is quite real.

    Yeah, I think the Rolling Stones mentioned that once or twice. Of course, they are just drugged out rock stars, so who is going to believe them? (Besides a few Christian fundies). But who is going to believe them? O, the irony.

    This is the fascinating part to me:

    That Individuals of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects; and actually had a seperation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned.

    Interestingly U.S. school children are required to take American History virtually every year of their ‘education’, but this letter never seems to come up.

    Maybe we should talk to the school boards about this.

  68. emsnews

    Smith, are you sure you don’t mean, ‘Eat this foot’? Foot in mouth disease time… 🙂

  69. JSmith

    Why? Because I’m not about to let someone come at me waving a crystal?

    “When traditional medicine uses the word palliative it only means one thing, they don’t know what to do with your medical condition.”

    I’m thinking of palliative more in terms of, “There are some things we could do, but given the patient has two weeks left at the outside it hardly seems worthwhile. We can help relieve the pain, though.”

  70. norcalkid

    DARPA and robots… anyone else thinking of “Soylent Green”?

    As for health care, I am all for the socialist model. You see, my late husband and I went through medical bankruptcy. No one, absolutely no one, in the US should have to go bankrupt to get adequate medical care. That is… unless we actually are a third-world country. All that money going down the rat hole of Iraq and Afghanistan could (and should) have been spent on the health of the people of this country.

    Ah, well, the days of the empire are numbered. Some say this fall. Stock up on canned goods and non-perishables. Have a good summer.

  71. emsnews

    Dear Norcalkid: My condolences. And yes, bankruptcy shouldn’t be the fate of anyone who is ill. When we are healthy, it is easy to survive. Trying to survive while very ill is extremely difficult. This is when one makes the least or no money! You can’t work!

    This is why people who believe we should have no social welfare are cruel. The strong don’t need it but when the strong become weak, they need it very badly and it is too late to change one’s philosophy or one’s way of living.

    Social support systems are for everyone when they get weak and you never know when this might happen. Tomorrow, you can fall down the stairs and become wheelchair bound, just for example.

  72. CK

    In a bit of late news about this robot, the company designing it has guaranteed that the robot will be strictly vegan.

  73. joe

    criticalcontrarian
    July 17, 2009 at 6:03 am

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    Hi!!

    I’m extremely interested in this book but how and where can I find it in PDF format??

    Could you help me please??

    It’s urgent!!!

    Thanks.

  74. emsnews

    There is no one minute cure for anything.

  75. chris

    Where can I find the PDF file of “One minute cure” mentioned above???

  76. emsnews

    At your local witch doctor’s office. 🙂

  77. w.c.

    ems

    There is no one minute cure for anything

    BANG.. lol

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