Pregnant Women At Increased Hazard Of Death From Swine Flu

More swine flu news.  Now, there is a flurry of news about this and people seeking to see only one side end up not thinking through all the implications of this business.  For example, the fact that asthma suffers and pregnant mothers are dying because of this disease.  We also visit Japan yet again due to some awful social news from there.  Japan is the Sinking Japanese battleship Yamato .


YouTube – Space Battleship “Yamato 2” Ep1 (1/3)


First picture of pregnant woman rushed to Sweden with swine flu, as virus threatens to overwhelm intensive care wards | Mail Online

A pregnant mother with swine flu was battling for her life last night after being flown to Sweden for emergency treatment. Sharon Pentleton developed adult respiratory distress syndrome, a rare complication of swine flu. .

She was taken to the Karolinska University Hospital in Stockholm because a specialist five-bed NHS unit in Leicester was full. Patients included two other swine flu victims. Her chances of recovery are put at 50-50.


The death wish is very powerful.  It is part of our brains.  Curious thoughts can flit through our minds and usually, the forebrain puts these thoughts down and tries to put things in perspective.  Often, these death wishes are very closely connected with a desire to live forever and be super-healthy.  Fear of common medical practices is closely connected to feelings of super-powers that elevate the person beyond ‘mere mortals’ who use modern healthcare systems.  People buy ‘health foods’ in the hopes that eating ‘the right thing’ will provide health benefits beyond the norm.


The swine flu news seems to have flushed out all sorts of feelings that are mostly feelings.  Various parties raise various issues in the hopes of scaring people off of following medical instructions issued by health authorities.  The collapse in trust which has infected many systems has infected health care systems, too.  Back when there were zero health care authorities aside from say, the Church, people were left to die in their huts which still is the typical way of dealing with diseases in third world countries today.  The death rate was absolutely ferocious.  The world’s population didn’t surge forwards since periodic plagues would wipe out huge numbers of people.


Today, we fret about overpopulation.  This is directly due to the spread of the use of vaccinations.  Right alongside medical research in stopping plagues and pandemics we had the Nazis, Japanese, Soviet and US scientists also cooking up secret germ warfare research facilities.  These things were set up to deliberately spread disease and mayhem.  The trick always was to inoculate one side while unleashing hideous diseases on the other side of a war or secret war.


This noxious and very evil activity is forbidden by international laws except the US decided, as usual, to violate this and to secretly work on these sorts of bio-weapons.  Of course, the excuse always was, ‘We are studying the Soviet diseases in order to prevent them.’  But this was obviously a lie.  Since our own government lies to us all the time, trust has collapsed.  This means, when real dangers come by and the government sincerely wishes to protect us, there is great distrust.  Trust is very hard to regain once it is lost.  But sometimes, we have to take a very deep breath and recognize that we must trust, sometimes.  Or die.


The Associated Press: Pregnancy likely to be swine flu shot priority

Swine flu has been hitting pregnant women unusually hard, so they are likely to be among the first group advised to get a new swine flu shot this fall. Pregnant women account for 6 percent of U.S. swine flu deaths since the pandemic began in April, even though they make up just 1 percent of the U.S. population.


On Wednesday a federal vaccine advisory panel is meeting to take up the question of who should be first to get swine flu shots when there aren’t enough for everyone. At the top of the list are health care workers, who would be crucial to society during a bad pandemic. But pregnant women may be near the top of the list because they have suffered and died from swine flu at disproportionately high rates.


I have no idea how many pregnant women read this news service here.  As a mother of more than one child and more than two pregnancies, I know the vulnerability of pregnancy very intimately.  There are many bad things that can happen and more women die of pregnancy problems than die of abortions.  It is extremely dangerous to have babies but Mother Nature has designed all animal mothers to desire to have babies and it is hard to resist.


The dangers of this flu are not spread equally.  Certain groups are in more hazard from this and they have a RIGHT to be protected.  They have the RIGHT to have the government sponsor research, especially emergency research, in some sort of protection so they can be saved.  It is hard for outsiders who never are pregnant to understand the sense of insecurity and heightened fears pregnant women feel.  As we hold the seed of life inside, death sits right on top of our chests, demanding we pay attention!  This is often why pregnant women like to feel protected and often turn to their mothers and grandmothers for emotional support and physical help.


The body’s hormones change radically when pregnant.  Since the woman is carrying an alien life inside, her body is set to not attack the baby which means, other protection systems are ‘down’.  I am an AB Rh negative blood type and I had to worry if my babies were a different blood type, for example.  Luckily, both were also negatives.  A simple difference between negative and positive blood types can abort a baby or destroy a mother’s health.  Since viruses are RNA packages, I suppose this is a particular hazard for mothers who have ‘a divided house’ in that the baby’s type is different enough from the mother’s type to alarm the internal immune systems of the mother.


Of course, this requires more research and the main source of funding is from the government.  Anyone who suggests we stop the government from doing this is slitting their own bellies open.  The yells of rage on the conspiracy side of the net because pharmaceutical giants might profit from the swine flu is OK only so long as everyone demands we have government-funded development, transport and inoculation systems!  Like they have in other countries, often, our trade rivals.


Organic food is no healthier, study finds | U.S. | Reuters

Organic food has no nutritional or health benefits over ordinary food, according to a major study published Wednesday.


.Researchers from the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine said consumers were paying higher prices for organic food because of its perceived health benefits, creating a global organic market worth an estimated $48 billion in 2007.


A systematic review of 162 scientific papers published in the scientific literature over the last 50 years, however, found there was no significant difference.


“A small number of differences in nutrient content were found to exist between organically and conventionally produced foodstuffs, but these are unlikely to be of any public health relevance,” said Alan Dangour, one of the report’s authors.


This story reminds me of why I did organic farming: TO STOP POLLUTION.  I often explain, ‘Birds, bees, plants and a host of other animals are all part of the ecosystem and they need to survive in order for us to survive.  Monocultural landscapes are unsustainable and dangerous to all living things.  We must protect nature if we wish to survive.’  Well, people decided that organic food was magical and made one stronger and healthier.  It often tastes better which is a great benefit.  And it doesn’t destroy nature which is an immense benefit.  But it has no magical properties.


I grow and eat my own berries.  They are much, much smaller than store berries which have grown to IMMENSE size lately due to all sorts of tricky things that turn berry farms into natural dead spots, meaning,  no songbirds allowed, lots of weird chemicals and gases used to kill fungi, etc.  We now have immense strawberries the size of apples.  But they are nearly tasteless!  I love eating very small wild strawberries.  When I pick a handful of these which are less than an inch in size, and bake it into biscuits, the flavor is marvelous!  The store variety is huge, hard to chew through and has very little natural savor.  It is like roses: no tea roses have any detectable scent.  They are often grown in greenhouses filled with chemicals.


I have wild rose hedges here.  In June, you can smell them from far away if the wind is right.  There are only 5 pedals per flower and the color is from white to a soft dark pink.  The flowers are very small yet the true delight is not visual, it is the aroma!  And when seen from afar, a rose hedge is brilliantly lit with thousands of these small flowers.


Co-existing with nature while still using modern science to protect ourselves is a tricky business.  This is where Libra comes in: we have to balance fear with realistic appraisal of dangers, we have to allow all living things to live so we can live and we have to be careful about hyper-breeding things to an unnatural state and thus, lose all contact with what is really important.  For example, with roses, it was always all about the smell, not the shape of the blossom, that mattered. Over 1,000 years, it morphed into all shape and color and zero smell.  This shows how dangerous it is for us when we run things…humans tend towards radicalism and forget the whole.


NewsDaily: Experts unearth history of pandemic flu viruses

Guan Yi, microbiologist at the University of Hong Kong and member of the research team, said the viruses of 1918 and 1957 went through at least two rounds of reassortments before the pandemics occurred. Reassortments happen when flu viruses swap genetic material, which happens when an animal or person is infected with two strains at the same time. .


“Before, people did not know how pandemic viruses came about … this study gives us a deeper understanding into the evolution and emerging process of pandemic viruses,” Guan said. Another finding was that the H1N1 pandemic virus of 1918, the seasonal H1N1 virus of today and the classical H1N1 swine virus may have been co-circulating in the 1918-1919 period. .


“All three are different viruses but related … which would explain why some waves of the (1918-1919) pandemic were more deadly than others,” Guan said. The team analyzed and compared the genes of the 1918, 1957, and 1968 viruses and their close relatives to determine their ancestry and the gene exchanges that created them.


. The genes of the 1918 virus likely circulated in swine and humans from as early as 1911, and the virus was unlikely to have been transmitted directly from birds to humans, Guan said. “It is very difficult for viruses to jump directly from bird to human (and cause a pandemic), which may explain why the H5N1 virus hasn’t caused a pandemic so far (by making that direct jump from bird to human),” Guan said.


The study of viruses is hyper-important.  Accepting some of the data is even more important.  The fact is, these viruses usually move about, unseen and unnoticed until they mutate to a truly dangerous form.  Then, we have less than six months to figure out how to stop or contain these viral outbreaks.  A leisurely stroll with many checks and tests is IMPOSSIBLE unless one is very cruel and doesn’t care who dies, waiting to be helped.  Even if help isn’t perfect, it is much better than no help at all.


Speaking of the devil, once again, our government process fails to reform the healthcare system which doesn’t protect all that many people in our country.  This inability to protect vast populations is one reason why our death rate is worse than nearly any first world nation.  Obama decided to have a reform which barely changes what is wrong with our system and even that is floundering.  Here is a Frontline video of healthcare in other countries:


FRONTLINE: sick around the world: interviews: karl lauterbach | PBS

It would help if you could give us a general overview of the German health care system..


The German health care system is unique in its attempt to combine competition among sickness funds on the one hand and a universal coverage plan on the other hand. Most health care systems are either one or the other, so you either have private insurance and competition but not everyone is covered for everything, or you have a single-payer system. So the ideal types are like the American system on the one hand or the Scandinavian or U.K. systems on the other end. .


Germany tries to combine the advantages. Everyone is covered; all sickness funds have to provide a comprehensive benefit package; … and there is nevertheless competition for price and quality between the sickness funds. … .


You have been somewhat critical of the German system; you see some problems in it. Give an assessment of the U.S. health care system. .


Well, in comparison to the U.S. health care system, the German system is clearly better, because the German health care system works for everyone who needs care, … [costs] little money, and it’s not a system about which you have to worry all the time. So in case you need health care, the health care is there. That you can rely on. .


I think that for us the risk is that the private system undermines the solidarity principle. … If that is fixed and we concentrate a little bit on better competition and more research, I think the German health care system is a nice third way between a for-profit system on the one hand and, let’s say, a single-payer system on the other hand. .


How do you feel about our system? How would you assess the U.S. health care system? .


The U.S. has a system [that] does have a poor cost-benefit ratio. I mean, 40 million people lack insurance; another 30 [million] or so are underinsured. The people who are insured do have to worry whether they are able to pay the bills. People become bankrupt because they cannot pay the medical bills, and there are vast differences in the quality of care depending on how much you are prepared and able to pay. I think the system is not working well. .


You watch American politics; you’re in German politics now. Do you think we’re going to change? .


I think the Democrats will win the election and they will then not change the system, is my personal view. Then they will lose a lot of credibility. … This is my view.


I lived in the German system and know that it works.  It is certainly much better than the system here.  I had to live a number of years with no insurance.  I had to sell my belongings to pay for my first child when I was in college!  My son went through a very dangerous period with no health insurance when between school and work.  This terrifies me no end.  How many mothers and children have been left exposed to death in this fashion?


Almost 2,000 People Line Up for Free Health Care in Virginia | | The Ledger | Lakeland, FL

Remote Area Medical founder Stan Brock said the daily limit of 1,600 patients for the three-day clinic in Wise County was reached by 5:30 a.m. Friday.  Another 200 people were admitted to the treatment area later in the morning, but several hundred more had to be turned away.


One of the major problems was lack of dental care.  I wish we had a civil right to dentistry!  Instead, it is treated as an option.  Many poor people have bad teeth and this shortens lives, increases pain and cause more ‘self medication’ via illegal drugs and ruins job opportunities since missing teeth are a sign of poverty.


Note these poor souls had to line up in the dead of night so they could get simple health care!  That is beyond cruel.  Not to mention, demeaning.


2009/07/27 18:58 – Child Allowance Among 5 Pledges In DPJ Election Manifesto

The Democratic Party of Japan has made five promises, including abolishing the “provisional” surtax on gasoline, in the manifesto it has prepared for the upcoming lower house elections scheduled for Aug. 30….The main opposition party also pledged to provide families a monthly allowance of 26,000 yen per child until they graduate from junior high school, typically at age 15.


Japan’s pathetic attempts at restarting the population growth engine flies in the face of official indifference and a very bad healthcare system that has seen patients die while ambulances try in vain to find somewhere to take them.  Japan’s social systems are rapidly collapsing and the political will to prevent this is nearly invisible.  Instead of a monthly allowance of 26,ooo yen is below $300.  Which is obviously insulting.

.朝日新聞社):Panel urges tiny minimum wage raises – English

Twelve prefectures will likely raise their minimum wage levels by as little as 2 yen and no higher than 30 yen an hour. The small increase reflects the grim economic situation.


A subcommittee of the Central Minimum Wages Council, an advisory panel to the Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare, proposed Tuesday the slight raise for the 12 prefectures, where minimum wage levels are lower than welfare benefit payments.


This pay raise is even more insulting!  Three cents or less pay raises???  Wow.  And here is the final news:

.朝日新聞社):Suicides approach record high – English

There were 17,076 suicides from January to the end of June, up 4.7 percent from the same period last year. If the trend holds, the suicide tally for 2009 is expected to surpass 34,000, nearing the 2003 record of 34,427….The comparable figure for women was 4,854, up 1.2 percent.(IHT/Asahi: July 29,2009)


Men are committing suicide at an awful rate, much, much higher than women.  Seven times greater is a sign of severe social disintegration.  Governments must pay heed to these things.  This is why we have governments.  A government regulates, controls and defends.  It doesn’t snooze away, ignoring medical, social or economic chaos.  Anarchy is the 3rd horseman of the Apocalypse.

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58 responses to “Pregnant Women At Increased Hazard Of Death From Swine Flu

  1. Matheus

    MARKET ALERT: TERRIBLE 5 YEAR Treasury Auction

  2. ralf

    Elaine, I love reading your columns. I’ve learned so much about the economy and the outside forces that shape so much of what’s going on in our world today. But no one can be an authority or accurate about everything. Your views on vaccinations come to mind. I’ve read that, in Europe, they are racing to vaccinate children and pregnant women against the swine flu without the proper testing. This seems a disaster in the making to me. And your inclusion of an article dismissing the health benefits of organic produce is reckless. The Soil Association of Britain has criticized this report and said without large scale, longitudinal research it is difficult to come to far reaching clear conclusions. The report came to the same conclusions about meat, dairy and eggs. Surely, you know there are huge differences between the products of large scale commercial operations and those that practice safe and healthy animal raising methods. Ever see and taste the difference between commercial eggs and eggs from free range chickens? Science is wonderful. But when it comes to medical other factors are often ignored. Nutrition, for one, is rarely covered in medical training. Most doctors are in very poor physical shape themselves. I will always trust good nutrition over doctors’ standard pill prescriptions. And good nutrition has got to come from food that is not over processed or over pesticided. Science continues to give corporations all the tools they need to strip the health giving attributes from our food. Science, in this area, has failed us miserably.

  3. PLovering

    Government flu shots already killing soldiers.

    Thousands of soldiers sick, dying, or dead.

  4. emsnews

    I seriously doubt ‘thousands’ of soldiers are dead due to vaccinations. Look, there are many things out there that are bad. Going into Afghanistan comes to mind. I am against that war.

    But worries that inoculations are killing these guys…well…incredible. The stupid ‘depleted uranium’ thing is certainly deadly for all parties involved much more than vaccinations.

    About food: ‘organic’ food tastes better. As I pointed out in my article. But it doesn’t extend our lives. It just makes our lives more wonderful which is different from scientific studies. Enjoying food is all about pleasure, at least, it is best when pursued this way.

  5. zip

    also off topic

    IMF is going to sell gold (1/8 of total (??)) to raise money for poor countries

    I believe they will suspend interest payments on some loans

    is this good news, or bad news?

  6. emsnews

    They are selling their gold to China. China is the economic power here.

  7. Robert Paulson

    “I seriously doubt ‘thousands’ of soldiers are dead due to vaccinations”

    You should recover ALL the information about the 1976 swine flu vaccinations on soldiers at Fort Dix. Your doubts will be seriously reversed. Thousands or not, one is too many. Or are you just one of many that feel that nothing bad is contained within vaccinations and that we should simply follow what the gov’ts tell us and roll up our sleeves for their soft kill immunity?

  8. Robert Paulson

    “About food: ‘organic’ food tastes better. As I pointed out in my article. But it doesn’t extend our lives. It just makes our lives more wonderful which is different from scientific studies. Enjoying food is all about pleasure, at least, it is best when pursued this way.”

    It won’t last! Here’s why:

    Over Half A Million People Say No To Monsanto Food Bill HR 2749…And Martial Law (July 29, 2009)


    “Congress is set to deliver a huge blow to local food production and safety by giving Big Agra interests exactly what they want: the industrialization of all food production in the US — forcing family farms, natural, successful home gardeners and other local food sources to meet Agra-Biz industrial standards or go out of business.

    H.R. 2749 — the (sic) “Food Safety Enhancement Act of 2009″ has been “fast tracked” and is heading to a vote at any time under a Suspension of Rules… that will allow no amendments and a total of 40 minutes debate. The latest report we’ve had indicates the bill was removed from the voting agenda today: rumors suggest that continued strong public opposition may force the bill back to committee for further amendment.

    The Natural Solutions Foundation– concerned by Codex Alimentarius’ US-led industrialization and global degradation of the food supply, noted with alarm the introduction of bills to do the same thing here in the US.

    While the public was distracted by the economic collapse, the non-lethal Swine Flu “Pandemic Emergency” …and the threat of mandatory vaccination with the Swine Flu vaccine, Congress was planning its own surprise: the forced-industrialization-of-farming bills, such as HR 875 & 759, were replaced by a new “fast-tracked” (sic) “Food Safety” bill – HR 2749 – that threatens food, health and freedom. Since it gives the FDA power to declare martial law in the face of food contamination in the US, it is, in reality, a “martial law food control bill”.”

  9. w c

    gold imf china

    to raise money for the poor,, rire fort

    some of the poor countries in the world have the greatest concentration of wealth in the ground, in the earth,,

    the very imf , and countries by their policys grind these nations down let gold rise to 2500, the corruption bought off by the large mulinationals with out the official rubin, summers gibsons paradox yammer .

    so the IMF will sell gold cheap to help the poor who could have helped themselves if the gold suppression policys had not been ineffect .

    to imbrace the bankers and their print out of nothing paper policys .

  10. emsnews

    The Fort Dix thing was LONG ago and was not part of what is happening today. Perhaps you might be fearful forever based on that one event. I can’t stop that. But asking millions of pregnant women to die because of this fear is strange. So why can’t you admit that maybe, JUST MAYBE, today’s efforts are entirely different?

  11. w c

    ems news china gold

    Jim Sinclair’s Commentary

    This is total nonsense when it comes to the gold market. It will never see the marketplace. This is purely spin for the shorts.

    In the 70s this was the singular most bullish event as it allowed huge buyers in at one price.

    With a planetary desire to diversify out of the dollar not changed in any way by three days of intervention and algorithm follow through trading how can you fall for this?

    IMF to sell gold within central bank pact-official

  12. emsnews

    Modern farming is a catastrophe for Nature. This is why I am against it. But making health claims is a different kettle of fish which is why when I sold organic food, I said, ‘It TASTES better,’ not health claims (which have to be backed up, of course).

  13. ralf

    Why should anyone believe that today’s efforts at vaccinations be entirely different from those used in 1976? Because they’ve already said that they may use experimental adjuvants, or boosting compounds, in the new flu vaccination. It’s bad enough that they use Thimerosal (mercury) as a preservative or Aluminum Hydroxide as a common adjuvant. Indeed, The Institute of Medicine has warned that infants, children, and pregnant women should not be injected with Thimerosal, yet the majority of flu shots contain 25 micrograms of it. Please check into the problems that these two adjuvants have caused. If the manufacturers felt their vaccines were safe why have they lobbied so hard for and gotten immunity from future lawsuits?

  14. emsnews

    Um, I do believe that pregnant women who rightfully fear this flu, need to NOT fear these vaccinations more. Trust me on this.

    As for lawsuits: when it comes to public health, bogging things down as everyone sues everyone is a bad idea. We get paralyzed by fear of suits which would be immensely dangerous.

    Now, I know that people may be very scared of these things but think carefully: WE MUST WEIGH ALL THINGS and according to a number of people pissed at me, the potential loss of life and limb due to the disease is not getting any weight by nay sayers which is just astonishing, utterly astonishing.

  15. emsnews

    And frankly, I fear for my own children who are on the list of high-possible victims so I am very anxious they get some sort of immunity. This is a HIGH PRIORITY item for me. Not a low one.

    This is why I support these efforts. Failures in the past means WE LEARN FROM THESE EVENTS. Anyone who imagines medical skills have not advanced greatly in the last 30 years has got to be kidding. By the way, the death rate, if this flu happened 50 years ago, would be much, much higher than it is today thanks to modern medicine. Even so, people are dying due to lung failure.

    And remember: I had this happen in 1968. It was fearful, just fearful to go through. Far more fearful than most any potential drug reaction. So I ask again: why is everyone so scared of inoculations?

  16. rockpaperscizzors

    rolling stone has an excellent article on Smithfield Pig farms, “Boss Hog.” “America’s top pork producer churns out a sea of waste that has destroyed rivers, killed millions of fish and generated one of the largest fines in EPA history. Welcome to the dark side of the other white meat.”

    Gross is an understatement.

    Off topic or not as it relates to humanity, found this article at
    Clinton moved to halt disclosure of CIA torture evidence, court told
    “Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, personally intervened to suppress evidence of CIA collusion in the torture of a British resident, the high court heard today.
    The dramatic turn emerged as lawyers for Binyam Mohamed, the UK resident abused in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Morocco and Guantánamo Bay, joined by lawyers for the Guardian and other media groups, asked the court to order the disclosure of CIA material.

    It consists of a seven-paragraph summary of what the CIA knew, and what it told MI5 and MI6, about the treatment of Mohamed. Lord Justice Thomas and Mr Justice Lloyd Jones, the judges hearing the case, have said that the summary contains nothing that could possibly be described as “highly sensitive classified US intelligence”.

    However, David Miliband, the foreign secretary, has repeatedly told the court that the US would stop sharing intelligence with the UK if the CIA material was published. The judges, as well as lawyers for Mohamed and the media, have challenged that assertion.”

    Whatever humanity Hillary had its’ gone. Undoubtedly she will receive a standing ovation by her fellow haters of humanity; Bush I and II, Cheney, Rumsfeld, darling hubby Bill, Tenet, etc……

  17. rockpaperscizzors

    Hey, some good news (Monsanto will undoubtedly try to propagandize Whole Foods) at
    Food giant says no GMOs for us
    “Whole Foods Market displayed the Non-GMO Project logo in Times Square last week to kick off their support for non-GMO verification. Read more about their support for the building non-GMO consumer tidal wave in this Whole Foods release.

    Whole Foods Market the leading natural and organic grocer, today announced a commitment to the Non-GMO Project -a non-profit collaboration of manufacturers, retailers, processors, distributors, farmers, seed breeders and consumers – to use the Non-GMO Project’s Product Verification Program (PVP) in connection with Whole Foods Market’s private label products.

    (Damn)According to the FDA, as much as 75 percent of processed food in the United States may contain components from genetically modified crops. Despite the abundance of products with genetically modified ingredients……..“In 30 other countries around the world, including Australia, Japan and all of the nations in the European Union, there are significant restrictions or outright bans on the production of GMOs, due to environmental impact and concerns about GMO safety,” said Megan Thompson, executive director of the Non-GMO Project.

    While Federal law requires organic producers to comply with certain non-GMO requirements identified in the USDA organic standards, there is no standard for labeling GMOs in non-organic products.”

    Corporations and a compliant corrupt congress consider us as nothing more than guinea pigs. What will be down the road in 20 to 30 years in health issues for our children and grandchildren exposed to altered food dna? Greed kills.

  18. Gus

    GS Lawyer busted for
    solicitation of 15 year old.

  19. Joe

    Why oh why do you continue to say we need to look at all sides then turn around and ignore your own medicine.

    You say it’s OK to be distrustful of pharmaceutical companies yet we need the government to fund and develop these things, yet you ignore the fact that it is lobbyist for the same companies which head the government offices. Would you have trusted the Nazi’s doctors if they wanted to stick you?

    Your practice of labeling those who disagree with you as conspiracy minded is insane and only adds a level of discredit to your arguments. Especially when you continually make claims as to your opponents beliefs which do not accurately reflect their arguments. Is it insignificant to you that Baxter has admitted and payed a fine for ‘accidentally’ releasing this virus?

    As for food…how can you have this discussion and claim there are no health benefits to organic without even mentioning the health negative pesticides, fungicides and herbicides which are absent in organic natural food stuff? Do you not think that a diet made up of whole foods, shunning processed food, is healthier? Why are you framing these discussions in unhelpful ways?

    I give you the benefit of the doubt for being fooled like the rest of the population regarding the WTC…but you are beginning to lose credibility.

    Stick to economics, foreign policy and Libra.

  20. emsnews

    The main thing is, since childhood, everyone here has mostly eaten food with poisons on it. Only if you grew your own and lived away from other farms, could you escape these pesticides and fertilizers.

    Now, these things are being inserted into the DNA of food plants and animals and I am 100% against this because it violates many fundamental laws of Nature especially the ‘We must share everything with every other living creature’ rule.

    This rule means monocultures are bad. Ancient farming methods were far from monocultural. Look at paintings of harvesting from the Middle Ages: we see many kinds of flowers growing in along with the wheat, hay and barely, for example. And birds everywhere.

    Now, it is truly a ‘silent spring’ with not even insects singing, much less, songbirds.

  21. drkrbyluv

    WHO moves forward in secrecy to accomplish forced vaccination and population agenda

    The WHO has refused to release the Minutes of a key meeting of an advisory vaccine group – packed with executives from Baxter, Novartis and Sanofi – that recommended compulsory vaccinations in the USA, Europe and other countries against the artificial H1N1 “swine flu” virus this autumn.

    In an email this morning, a WHO spokesperson claimed there are no Minutes of the meeting that took place on July 7th in which guidelines on the need for worldwide vaccinations that WH0 adopted this Monday were formulated and in which Baxter and other pharma executives participated.

    Under the International Health Regulations, WHO guidelines have a binding character on all of WHO’s 194 signatory countries in the event of a pandemic emergency of the kind anticipated this autumn when the second more lethal wave of the H1N1 virus — which is bioengineered to resemble the Spanish flu virus — emerges.

    In short: WHO has the authority to force everyone in those 194 countries to take a vaccine this fall at gunpoint, impose quarantines and restrict travel.

    Furthermore, WHO acquires new global authority on an unseen scale in the event of a pandemic.

    Under special pandemic plans enacted around the world including the USA, in 2005, national governments are to be dissolved in the event of a pandemic emergency and replaced by special crisis committees, which take charge of the health and security infrastructure of a country, and which are answerable to the WHO and EU in Europe and to the WHO and UN in North America.

    If the Model Emergency Health Powers Act is implemented on the instructions of WHI, it will be a criminal offence for Americans to refuse the vaccine. Police are allowed to use deadly force against “criminal” suspects.

    The corporate mainstream media owned by the same “elite” group which funds WHO is systematically concealing from the general public the nature of the real danger of these H1N1 jabs by withholding from them key information concerning the interrelated activities of this group of organisations for their mutual profit.

    As a result, most people still believe that the H1N1 virus is a natural swine flu when even WHO has officially dropped the term “swine” in tactic acknowledgement of its artificial origin.

    Most people still believe the vaccine companies can deliver a cure when the vaccine companies are preparing a lethal series of shots containg live attenuated virus, toxic metals and other poisons.

    The two-dose H1N1 shots are designed to disable the immune system and then load that system with a live virus in a process that mirrors the one described in two of WHO’s 1972 memoranda where the technical means for turning vaccines into killers is outlined.

    The Strecker Memorandum also reveals that WHO has been actively searching for ways to weaken the immune system.

    This is why steps need to be taken now to stop the mass vaccinations anticipated in autumn by taking legal action to block the distribution of vaccines and/or laws allowing govenrments to force people to take vaccinations.

    An investigation into this international corporate crime syndicate has to be conducted in every country because it has its tentacles in every country, and to try to initiate this in the USA, I filed charges with the FBI against WHO and the UN among other defendants in June. I included President Obama among the defendants because I believe the time has come to identify and isolate the core members of this international corporate criminal group which has annexed high government office in the USA, and put them in prison once and for all, and there are reports that Obama has direct financial links with Baxter that need to be investigated by law enforcement.

    To find to out about the charges I have filed so far in German and English in Austria also with the FBI, please check the wakenews website.

  22. emsnews

    Want to know something? The debate is NOT ‘we don’t want vaccinations’….the global debate is entirely, ‘WHO GETS THEM FIRST.’

    This is where many of the conspiracy community goes off the tracks. The fears of the third world is, they will not get it at all or very little.

    This really distresses me because the conspiracy community hops onto various hobby horses without any regard as to what is really going on here.

    I detect very little desire in the third world, to deny their own populations access to vaccinations against this killer flu. They are not terrified of the shots, they are rightfully worried about this disease taking off say, in the slums of India, just for one massive example. I know that the Chinese are very much desirous to have these inoculations.

  23. emsnews

    In other words, to interpret the data about the lack of meetings minutes, this is ENTIRELY due to the conversation being, ‘How do we hide this bias from the poorer nations so they don’t go yelling at the UN about being denied flu shots?’ See?

    This is why the embroideries of various websites can be very misleading and they mislead deliberately to agitate everyone into being even MORE fearful of ‘the elites’ in ways that make everyone falling for this stuff, to look stupid.

    You got to resist this urge to run off the tracks following various illogical suppositions piled one on top of the other.

  24. emsnews

    The WHO isn’t going to ‘dissolve governments’ because it can’t do this. There can be social chaos, of course, look at places we invade. They become very chaotic.

    There is no boogey man that will helicopter in and take over and then administer shots. This is utterly crazy to even contemplate. What the debate is about is: WHO WILL PAY for these inoculations and WHO WILL GET IT FIRST.

    On the other hand, playing spooky mental games is tons of fun, isn’t it? I suppose, the anarchistic mindset of some people means, they don’t want any international health organizations at all….this sort of thinking doesn’t surprise me. After all, I saw this a lot in the hippie community long ago.

    Gads…the times I had to patiently explain to people, ‘I am taking you in the ambulance to the hospital’ only to have them scream, ‘NOOOOOO!!!’ ….and then die on us.

  25. mind control

    The lottery, they say, is a tax on people who can’t do math. Similarly, flu vaccines are a tax on people who don’t understand health.
    Ten Things You’re Not Supposed To Know
    About The Swine Flu Vaccine

  26. JT

    My brother´s wife just volunteered herself and their two year old daughter to clinical trials of childrens swine flu vaccination.
    She´s two months pregnant also.

    She a nurse by profession and her father is a doctor.

    And no she´s not crazy and she doesn´t receive anything else except extra checkups from doctors as compensation.

    So I guess now the evil pediatricians will try to kill her and all her children ;).

  27. mind control

    So if the financial meltdown (due in late September) doesn’t destroy you and those you love (3) or if you somehow manage to escape death during the Pandemic, then you will still have the opportunity to live under the dictatorship of the fraud that is currently occupying the White House ­illegally! (4)
    So the question remains-Where is the Rage-or rather “Where is the OUTRAGE”! How much is enough America: Is there nothing too extreme for you to stand in absolute opposition to their every wish? Are we brain-dead that we cannot see what has happened and where these concomitant failures are continuing to take us?

  28. mind control

    I think Jane knows too much and she is scared. I don”t know what has happened. I had several pages from her blog in my web cache from yesterday – here are as many pages as I could save. See below. Copy this info off – go to the links in these essays – copy them off – and save it to HD or CD.

    Someone wants to stop Jane from proceeding with her lawsuit against the WHO and they want to stop her from continuing to publish what she knows about Swine flu. Please please urgent that you share this info with as many USA families and overseas as possible.

    They intend to instate mandatory flu vaccines this fall – those vaccines can potentially kill. Watch the video about the US soldier in Iraq who received a mystery “test flu shot” vaccine during a trial 3 years ago, who is now fighting for his life. The US military won’t even tell his mother what was in the shot so that doctors can try to treat him, and save his life.

  29. mind control

    From Caterine Austin Fitts’ Blog:
    I believe one of the goals of the swine flu vaccine is depopulation. Perhaps it is the goal of a swine flu epidemic as well, whether bio-warfare or hype around a flu season.

  30. mind control

    You will have to do that, to dig out the truth, and to stop that vaccination is being used to depopulate. THis old dogma of immunization that just doesntz work has to be cleard , people/ politicians, have to get enlightet about this in what they blindly believe. The whole virology is build around postulates that have never been proofed for nearly 100 years, and cant be proofed.
    This whole pseudo science virology is just there to justify all the contradictions it creates.

    if he continues to accept that we must surrender ourselves to this prevailing orthodoxy. as we are doing now faced with the absurdity of the Bird Flu allegations, if he then wakes up one morning and with horror realizes that he is dead. Killed by that prevailing orthodoxy which he as a citizen of a democratic state built on law has tolerated. In a democratic state built on law, the bird flu panic would be just as impossible as would AIDS and vaccinations. We the citizens must create the constitutional state. Then not only AIDS but also the pseudoscience and the bird flu will have no chance. I can only say: Check things out! Use your reason!”
    Dr. Stefan Lanka

  31. JT

    Mind control, numbers…
    20 million people with asthma in the US.
    62 million pregnancies per year in the US.

    50% infection rate and let´s say 0,1 % (one in thousand) with complications = 41 000 people hostipitalized.

    It´s not the swine flu that kills it´s the complications. And it´s not even that bad a flu, the problem is that almost everyone will get it.

  32. JT

    And I guess there are less than a thousand of these special respiratory NHS units in the US.

    And I guess less than 3000 units worldwide (I don´t know but my guess).

  33. mind control

    Around 12,000 US children, some of them as young as 3 years old, are reportedly going to receive untested shots of a swine flu vaccine, says investigative journalist Wayne Madsen.

  34. CK

    @EMS: “Failures in the past means WE LEARN FROM THESE EVENTS.” Which explains US foreign policy, domestic policy, economic policy and health policy. And it also explains why the people who led the failures in each of these areas is STILL IN CHARGE.
    “‘We must share everything with every other living creature’ rule.” Where did that catastrophe come from?
    Sounds like a fine idea to me, send enough of the anti-virus to India or Pakistan first.

  35. JSmith

    “Or are you just one of many that feel that nothing bad is contained within vaccinations and that we should simply follow what the gov’ts tell us and roll up our sleeves for their soft kill immunity?” (et seq.)

    Yeah… pretty much. While it is true that some do experience adverse reactions to vaccines, that one just isn’t very high on the list of probable things I may die of.

    You can’t fret about everything – you have to rank your fears according to their likelihood of occurrence. And vaccinations just aren’t one that I’m especially concerned about.

  36. JSmith

    Some years back there was a woman who worked in our department, who was deathly afraid of the hideous electromagnetic radiation coming from her monitor. She had her workspace festooned with crystals, prisms, etc., until it looked utterly ridiculous; finally she just had to leave and seek work that was not computer-based.

    While they looked rather weird, her “home remedies” seemed harmless enough… but that’s an example of devoting too much attention to the wrong thing – monitor EMF is just not that likely to do one in.

  37. billibaldi

    Elaine, we are right in the middle of the swine flu epidemic right now with the peak due in the next one to two weeks. In Australia this is our peak flu season. It seems to me it is mostly like your normal standard flu and you should take the normal standard flu precautions.

    JT is right, it is a numbers game, flu kills people every year.

  38. JSmith

    “…if he then wakes up one morning and with horror realizes that he is dead. Killed by that prevailing orthodoxy…”

    Something there does not compute!

  39. nah

    the market garlics are gorgeous… bulbs is big as my thumbs… and the big berrys are pretty damn good too, but lost a bit of flavor to gain the bulk… strawberry patches put the institutional sort to shame on flavor…
    and suicide is missing the obvious… Grocery’s on every corner with bright lights and music to shop to
    status symbol

  40. criticalcontrarian

    @CK: well said. While I try my best to be an optimist when it comes to human nature history proves we learn nothing. We are damned good at improving how we kill each other, though. Welcome to reality.

  41. Steve

    DeMint Amendment to Audit Federal Reserve Blocked by Senate Leadership

    Painful to watch.

  42. criticalcontrarian

    @CK: all things considered I would be more concerned about this:

  43. Robert Paulson

    “The Fort Dix thing was LONG ago and was not part of what is happening today. Perhaps you might be fearful forever based on that one event. I can’t stop that. But asking millions of pregnant women to die because of this fear is strange. So why can’t you admit that maybe, JUST MAYBE, today’s efforts are entirely different?”

    They aren’t. At all. As a matter of fact normal testing for vaccines happens with clinical trials and beta testing that sometimes takes YEARS! This vaccine that is being made ‘fast food’ style is being tested and approved in weeks, if not days.

    Best part? The manufacturers of said vaccine are immune from litigation should it kill you or someone you love.

    There was one very significant difference between 1976 and today however. In 1976 US insurance companies refused to insure vaccine manufacturers against lawsuits for vaccine-related illnesses or deaths. Today drugmakers need have little fear of damages from product liability lawsuits. They can unleash whatever substances the FDA lets them, and indications are that under Pandemic declaration safety standards would be dropped in the rush to stab the population as widely as possible with vaccines.

    Under rulings made under the Bush Administration, vaccines can be labelled as “unavoidably unsafe” meaning that when a product is ‘carefully designed, manufactured and marketed, but is dangerous nonetheless,’ it is not a defective product, even though it might cause injury. CLEAR? It certainly is clear to the pharmaceutical industry which lobbied hard for the determination.

    A decisive victory for the drug industry came in January 2006 when Bush Administration Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt announced a new ruling in defiance of established precedent and the expressed intent of Congress. The new FDA rules pre-empted any state laws that allow citizens to sue drugmakers for producing unsafe drugs under the dubious claim that the FDA, an agency under HHS, had national responsibility for certification of drug safety and state lawsuits impinged on that national responsibility. As several Congressmen at the time pointed out the FDA track record for timely response to clear drug dangers as in the Vioxx cases was hardly to the benefit of the health and welfare of citizens suffering needless heart attacks and death as a side effect of the drug.

    It would be relevant to ask if the Democratic Congress that protested the 2006 FDA liability-free ruling has plans to change that free ride for vaccine makers. That might do more than anything to reduce the effects of Swine Flu. Then people might realize where the real swine danger lies…..

    And no one is aking that pregnant women die. This strain, as has been commented on by many a virologist, has stated that common flu is far more deadlier than the Aporkalypse.

    Have you even researched as to what is contained within this vaccine? If you did, you’d think twice about advocating having it injected into women, pregnant or not. Or anyone, for that matter.

    God, give your head a shake. Maybe steering you towards two saner women will help you or are you always this willfully obtuse?

    Dr. Sherri Tenpenny:

    Dr. Lima Raibow:

    “The World Health Organization (WHO) after changing the definition to fit current conditions, declared a “Level 6” pandemic in mid-June, 2009. The CDC and WHO are now predicting that the H1N1 “Swine Flu” will be back this fall in a new and deadly form.

    They also say that a new vaccine will be ready for deployment at the very time when the H1N1 Pandemic virus circulates around the globe and are proposing universal (mandatory) vaccination, starting with our most vulnerable: the very young and the very old. At the July 9, 2009 “flu summit,” the President stated: “We want to make sure that we are not promoting panic… the most important thing …is to make sure that state and local officials prepare now to implement a vaccination program in the fall…”

    I wonder what your tone will be when you’re being forced, at needle point, to be injected with their crap and threatened with jail should you refuse?

    ‘Military To Work With FEMA During Swine Flu Pandemic’

    “According to a CNN report, the military will assist civilian authorities in the event of a significant swine flu outbreak in the U.S. this fall, stoking fears that the pandemic, which has claimed relatively few lives so far, will be used as an excuse to implement martial law and a mandatory vaccination program.”

    Never say ‘never’. There is, after all, the “Patriot Act”, which is being used against you. As well as the fraud and shenanigans that is the economy for which few to none are being jailed for.

    But pay no attention to any of aforementioned. Just keep on with your way of life until ‘they’ come up your mountain with needles in hand. If I were you, I’d be keeping a watchful eye on the horizon. Mark my words.

  44. I took a big chunk of this article because of the great importance of the vaccination issue. This source seems very reputable. I am definitely not “taking sides” on whether the A/H1N1 vaccine will be good or bad.

    (Somewhere, I have come across the information that overweight people are far more likely to succumb to this virus.)


    Squalene: The Swine Flu Vaccine’s Dirty Little Secret Exposed


    The main ingredient in a vaccine is either killed viruses or live ones that have been attenuated (weakened and made less harmful).
    Flu vaccines can also contain a number of chemical toxins, including ethylene glycol (antifreeze), formaldehyde, phenol (carbolic acid) and even antibiotics like Neomycin and streptomycin.

    In addition to the viruses and other additives, many vaccines also contain immune adjuvants like aluminum and squalene. The purpose of an immune adjuvant added to a vaccine is to enhance (turbo charge) your immune response to the vaccination. Adjuvants cause your immune system to overreact to the introduction of the organism you’re being vaccinated against. Adjuvants are supposed to get the job done faster (but certainly not more safely), which reduces the amount of vaccine required per dose, and the number of doses given per individual. Less vaccine required per person means more individual doses available for mass vaccination campaigns. Coincidentally, this is exactly the goal of government and the pharmaceutical companies who stand to make millions from their vaccines.

    Will There Be Immune Adjuvants in Swine Flu Vaccines?

    The U.S. government has contracts with several drug companies to develop and produce swine flu vaccines. At least two of those companies, Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline, are using an adjuvant in their H1N1 vaccines. The adjuvant? Squalene.

    According to Meryl Nass, M.D., an authority on the anthrax vaccine, “A novel feature of the two H1N1 vaccines being developed by companies Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline is the addition of squalene-containing adjuvants to boost immunogenicity and dramatically reduce the amount of viral antigen needed. This translates to much faster production of desired vaccine quantities.”[v]

    Novartis’s proprietary squalene adjuvant for their H1N1 vaccine is MF59. Glaxo’s is ASO3. MF59 has yet to be approved by the FDA for use in any U.S. vaccine, despite its history of use in other countries.

    Per Dr. Nass, there are only three vaccines in existence using an approved squalene adjuvant. None of the three are approved for use in the U.S.
    What Squalene Does to Rats

    Oil-based vaccination adjuvants like squalene have been proved to generate concentrated, unremitting immune responses over long periods of time.[vi] A 2000 study published in the American Journal of Pathology demonstrated a single injection of the adjuvant squalene into rats triggered “chronic, immune-mediated joint-specific inflammation,” also known as rheumatoid arthritis.[vii] The researchers concluded the study raised questions about the role of adjuvants in chronic inflammatory diseases.

    What Squalene Does to Humans

    Your immune system recognizes squalene as an oil molecule native to your body. It is found throughout your nervous system and brain. In fact, you can consume squalene in olive oil and not only will your immune system recognize it, you will also reap the benefits of its antioxidant properties. The difference between “good” and “bad” squalene is the route by which it enters your body. Injection is an abnormal route of entry which incites your immune system to attack all the squalene in your body, not just the vaccine adjuvant. Your immune system will attempt to destroy the molecule wherever it finds it, including in places where it occurs naturally, and where it is vital to the health of your nervous system.[viii] Gulf War veterans with Gulf War Syndrome (GWS) received anthrax vaccines which contained squalene.[ix] MF59 (the Novartis squalene adjuvant) was an unapproved ingredient in experimental anthrax vaccines and has since been linked to the devastating autoimmune diseases suffered by countless Gulf War vets.[x] The Department of Defense made every attempt to deny that squalene was indeed an added contaminant in the anthrax vaccine administered to Persian Gulf war military personnel – deployed and non-deployed – as well as participants in the more recent Anthrax Vaccine Immunization Program (AVIP). However, the FDA discovered the presence of squalene in certain lots of AVIP product. A test was developed to detect anti-squalene antibodies in GWS patients, and a clear link was established between the contaminated product and all the GWS sufferers who had been injected with the vaccine containing squalene.

    A study conducted at Tulane Medical School and published in the February 2000 issue of Experimental Molecular Pathology included these stunning statistics: “ … the substantial majority (95%) of overtly ill deployed GWS patients had antibodies to squalene. All (100%) GWS patients immunized for service in Desert Shield/Desert Storm who did not deploy, but had the same signs and symptoms as those who did deploy, had antibodies to squalene.

    In contrast, none (0%) of the deployed Persian Gulf veterans not showing signs and symptoms of GWS have antibodies to squalene. Neither patients with idiopathic autoimmune disease nor healthy controls had detectable serum antibodies to squalene. The majority of symptomatic GWS patients had serum antibodies to squalene.”[xi]

    According to Dr. Viera Scheibner, Ph.D., a former principle research scientist for the government of Australia: “… this adjuvant [squalene] contributed to the cascade of reactions called “Gulf War Syndrome,” documented in the soldiers involved in the Gulf War. The symptoms they developed included arthritis, fibromyalgia, lymphadenopathy, rashes, photosensitive rashes, malar rashes, chronic fatigue, chronic headaches, abnormal body hair loss, non-healing skin lesions, aphthous ulcers, dizziness, weakness, memory loss, seizures, mood changes, neuropsychiatric problems, anti-thyroid effects, anaemia, elevated ESR (erythrocyte sedimentation rate), systemic lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis, ALS (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), Raynaud’s phenomenon, Sjorgren’s syndrome, chronic diarrhoea, night sweats and low-grade fevers.


    (© Copyright 2009 Dr. Joseph Mercola. All Rights Reserved. If you want to use this article on your site please click here. This content may be copied in full, with copyright, contact, creation and information intact, without specific permission, when used only in a not-for-profit format. If any other use is desired, permission in writing from Dr. Mercola is required.)


    Oh, criticalcontrarian; I noticed that Jeff Rense actually posted a retraction about those funny “prison boxcars.” He said they carry automobiles.

  45. Robert Paulson

    Thanks for pointing out the Squalene issue, Blues. I read about that a couple of weeks ago and had nearly forgotten. It’s important and should not be neglected to the back of one’s mind.

  46. JT

    All I´m saying is that if you are in the risk groups:
    Pregnant, asthma, pre-excisting condition (heart, liver, kidney problems), old or just incredibly fat your should try to get the vaccine as soon as possible.

    And there is the distant possibility that this will take the route of the 1918 h1n1 that means the real killer will come in the second or third wave next spring.
    Then you don´t have to worry, you could not get the vaccine anymore even if you wanted to.

    As for the food stuff. I firmly believe in the motto “Everything with moderation.”.

    A little meat, alcohol, sex, butter, web, exercise, games, conspiracy theories …;) everything but with moderation.

    Anything can be bad for you if you take it to the extreme. Religion, exercise, diets, veganism, reaganism, debt, work, play, sex…

    I think I´ll have a beer now, but just one.

  47. RobG

    That article on organic food is utter nonsense. I would not have dignified it on your blog.

    I would ask who funded the study? Oh, it wasn’t a study it was a review of a bunch of studies and “Only 55 were of what the researchers considered to be “satisfactory quality” — a strong indicator that, overall, the science on the subject is not up to snuff.”

    Then I’d like to know who funded the review – usually these are industry funded – and so they are looking for a certain answer. Like the butter versus margarine thing – one industry funds a study slamming the other.

    Next, what foods did they compare? Were the studies from the EU (GMO food is prohibited – but the ‘studies’ were done on the animals). This thing is so open ended that is more like propaganda.

    And far more important is the point about toxins – I guess in reviewing all those studies they were just too tired to look up that information too. If they studies listed all those elements (Calcium, etc.), then I’m interested in the other chemicals too. So what a waste of time.

    No, organic is more than the pollution angle. Organic is still part of the problem of agribusiness. We need to return to small, local family farms for example.

  48. Also, I read that at least one vaccine being produced is administered via nasal inhalation. I am pretty certain that that one will not contain squalene, since it presumably would have no effect. Maybe the oligarchs will get that one, and the rest of us will end up hobbled with Gulf War syndrome.

  49. emsnews

    Look, I don’t ignore the news. I discuss it. I know this sounds totally weird. But I don’t simply link to all the fringe sites and rely on them for debate issues. I want to see what the mainstream is talking about.

    The health of the planet is more important than my own health so I support organic farming because I love this earth. Not for myself. This is why I said, we STILL need ‘health foods’ but not because it magically makes us healthier. But because it doesn’t hog all of nature’s resources. That is, we share our food with birds and insects which is more important.

    See? Shall I say this again?

  50. Robert Paulson

    The health of the planet is more important than my own health so I support organic farming because I love this earth. Not for myself. This is why I said, we STILL need ‘health foods’ but not because it magically makes us healthier. But because it doesn’t hog all of nature’s resources. That is, we share our food with birds and insects which is more important.

    See? Shall I say this again?

    No. But maybe you should read this again:

    Over Half A Million People Say No To Monsanto Food Bill HR 2749…And Martial Law

    snippet: “Small farms, organic production, bio-dynamic operations and home farmers who share their food will be required to comply with standards which they cannot afford, like seed sorting plants…which can cost more than a million dollars for each species of seed, when no threat has ever been posed by simple hand sorting devices.

    All food preparation and storage facilities, including home kitchens, could be entered without a warrant for inspection of records – which no home keeps. Ultimately, the only acceptable food would be prepared, industrialized and industry-controlled food. Codex standards and guidelines would govern all agricultural production, driving non-chemical operations out of business.”

  51. criticalcontrarian

    @blues: thank you, will look into it. If true that is very encouraging. One thing about what we do here is how we are able to help one another by cross referencing our info. Have a good one. 🙂

  52. emsnews

    Food poisoning isn’t much fun.

  53. criticalcontrarian

    @blues: was able to confirm your lead on the “funny prison boxcars”. You can read about them and see the cars being loaded here:

    That’s one conspiracy theory that bites the dust. 🙂

  54. Daliwood

    I am surprised by the level of hand-wringing and yelling about the swine flu vaccine. People seem so passionate about it, when I don’t see any reason for alarm.

    First, people keep citing websites that hardly qualify as objective. Most of these fringe “doctors,” if you look at their bios, have zero credentials to comment on pharmaceuticals. More importantly, however, the anti-vaccine websites almost always include a store offering “natural” alternatives to traditional pharmaceuticals, including the swine flu vaccine. I find it difficult to trust anyone who says “The vaccine is horribly dangerous!!! You’re going to die if you take it!!! Oh, but I have something here that’s good for you and will save you from the flu.” Smacks of snake oil peddling to me.

    Secondly, people keep citing HR 2749 as a bill that gives FDA martial law powers, etc. Nonsense. (I’m willing to bet that 99% of the people who are so frightened by it have actually read the bill.) You have to know how to read legislation before you go off half-cocked screaming about totalitarian powers for the gov’t hiding in a food bill. Most legislation is filled with terms that have specific regulatory definitions. For instance, a “food facility” cited in HR 2749 does not include grandma’s kitchen, where the FDA could burst in and gun her down for making snicker doodles. Read the definitions of terms used in any legislation before you try to extrapolate to absurd extremes about what the terms mean.

    It is outrageous that fringe websites twist information to advance a political or personal agenda. It’s a disservice to everyone for these self-appointed and self-serving cult-like leaders to portray themselves as guardians of truth when in fact they are simply hoodwinking the public. They are driven by ego, feeding it by developing a following of devotees who are rallied to the cause by alarmist nonsense.

    Secondly, there’s a lot of misinformation about pharmaceutical “ingredients.” Most people outside the pharm. industry don’t know the difference between an “ingredient” and an “in-process component.” Several of the substances being listed as ingredients in the swine flu vaccine actually don’t occur in it but would be used in its manufacture.

    I work for a small pharmaceutical company not involved in any way with the swine flu vaccine. We manufacture a single pharmaceutical that has a single purpose. The manufacturing process uses a number of dangerous chemicals, but they are NOT found in the final drug product. They are removed at various stages of manufacturing, or they are rendered harmless by the addition of other components–it’s sort of like using sodium and chlorine to manufacture something and then ending up with table salt.

    If people are afraid of the swine flu vaccine, fine. Don’t take it, but please stay away from other people afterward. And if the U.S. Government attempted to force vaccines on the entire population, I would join the fringies in opposing such a move. But please stop the knee-jerk and often uninformed reaction to swine flu vaccine. Informed consent is one of the hallmarks of medical procedures. Inform yourself. Read both sides of the issue using credible sources. Reach an informed conclusion for your own health. The best countermeasure against big gov’t and big pharma is a well-informed and vigilant public, not an army of hotheads who see Armageddon in every syringe.

    Lastly, let me emphasize that I am not a defender of the pharmaceutical industry. Like many monied interests, it has an undue influence over politicians. I am often an ardent critic of Big Pharma, but I choose my battles carefully. Currently, swine flu vaccine is a subject for study, not battling.

  55. CK

    And the patriot acts were only going to be used against “terrawrists”. That was part of the definition. How frigging naieve have the state worshipers become?

  56. Anonymous

    Nice find drkrbyluv. Another case of hegelian dialectics. Also suspicious, Supkis is trying too hard defending it. I will not take that vaccination. I’d rather die!

  57. I’d like to take this opportunity to apologize to cc…..sometimes plans change.

    I also think pregnant women should listen to their grand-mas.

    checking out.

  58. get over it why don’t you.

    You (and I hope you know who you are) are out of your league.

    This makes 5 maybe in make believe.

    Just like the city of DC – at least as far as the politicos go….

    Especially that non-speaker chick from CA and the supposedly frank gay man from MA who is blocking something that matters.

    I support HR 1207 but of course I also supported a convention, but no time for that now…..


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