The Ice Age Began 33 Million Years Ago

I am rather fond of being somewhat logical.  Obama had to leave early the hapless Global Warming….er…strike that…Climate Change meeting because a massive blizzard was going to dump over a foot of snow on Washington, DC.  Now, DC is snowed in because our Congress is upset about spending money on keeping US citizens alive.  They want to cut the healthcare budget, not expand it.

Into this horror, Obama is supposed to use a dogsled and snowshoes to trudge to Congress and inform them that we ought to send billions of dollars annually via a special carbon burning tax, to foreign nations so we won’t roast to death.  Now, humans are like any sort of animal: if you run up to a sled dog, yelling, ‘A blizzard is coming, we are going to ROAST to death,’ the sled dog will assume you have rabies and run off.

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Holding off on this and waiting until there is a record hot day to yell this makes psychological sense.  Doing this in a blizzard is madness.  Last night, I roamed the web sector in the US to see what the conversation was about at liberal websites.  It was nearly all about the healthcare bill.  There was very little conversation about the collapse of the Global Warming…er…Climate Change meeting collapse.  Even if computer models show it getting warmer, convincing people of this is immensely difficult if it is getting colder.

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BBC News – Data to expose ‘ghost mountains’

This is a story on the BBC about how glaciers began as small things in Antarctica, which had virtually no ice 35 million years ago.  Gradually, over time, ice covered this continent.  Now, 35 million years ago, this landmass was pretty close to the bottom of the planet, yet it had virtually no ice.

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Why Did Ice In Antarctica Suddenly Appear 35 Million Years Ago? CO2, Says Study

Ice in Antarctica suddenly appeared — suddenly in geologic terms being a little different than how we think of it — about 35 million years ago. For the previous 100 million years the continent had been essentially ice-free. Even after Antarctica had drifted to near its present location, its climate remained subtropical but then, 35.5 million years ago, ice formed on Antarctica in only about 100,000 years, which is an “overnight” shift in geological terms….

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The research team found before the event ocean surface temperatures near present-day Antarctica averaged 77 degrees Fahrenheit (25 degrees Celsius). Mark Pagani, professor of geology and geophysics at Yale University, says the research found that air and ocean surface temperatures dropped as much as 18 degrees Fahrenheit during the transition. “Previous reconstructions gave no evidence of high-latitude cooling,” Pagani says. “Our data demonstrate a clear temperature drop in both hemispheres during this time.”


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The new story is, a sudden drop in CO2 caused this sudden drop in temperatures.  But what caused the sudden drop in CO2 production?  Back then, there were no factories or cars!  Saying there was a drop in CO2 simply pushes the problem into a new arena, it doesn’t explain sudden shifts and what is the ultimate cause.

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So, I put on my logical thinking cap and reason this out:  someone on this planet creates CO2 in various ways.  Miocene: Middle Miocene Disruption occurs. Widespread forests slowly draw in massive amounts of CO2, gradually lowering the level of atmospheric CO2 from 650 ppmv down to around 100 ppmv[22]. The sun is the ultimate controller of our climate.  We know from geological history that the planet’s temperatures are not stable at all.  The reason we have geological ‘periods’ is due to stratification of the earth’s surface due to huge and very often, sudden shifts in the climate as well as geological events like volcanic activity or astral events like asteroid strikes.

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For some reason, the ultimate conditions of this planet made a decisive shift 35 million years ago and this caused glaciers to grow.  But we also know that glaciers can suddenly shrink, too.  And since plants and plankton are both at the bottom of the business about CO2 production or locking in CO2, we also note that these entities are very much driven by solar activity.

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  • Oligocene: Warm but cooling climate, moving towards Icehouse; Rapid evolution and diversification of fauna, especially mammals. Major evolution and dispersal of modern types of flowering plants
  • Chattian: The top of the Chattian stage (which is the base of the Aquitanian stage, Miocene series and Neogene system) is at the first appearance of foram species Paragloborotalia kugleri, the extinction of calcareous nannoplankton species Reticulofenestra bisecta (which forms the base of nannoplankton biozone NN1), and the base of magnetic chronozone C6Cn.2n.

The marine life graph is interesting since it shows many, many extinction events before the Triassic but after the Triassic, there are fewer such events.  Except for the famous asteroid strike that annihilated the dinosaurs.  The end of the Eocene event was quite minor compared to the greater extinctions like the very dangerous Great Permian Extinction event that nearly killed all lifeforms 250 million years ago.  Here is a little information about the Eocene event which heralded the beginning of the Ice Age cycles:

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Eocene : Whether this abrupt change was caused by climate change associated with the earliest polar glaciations[13] and a major fall in sea levels, or by competition with taxa dispersing from Asia, few argue for an isolated single cause. More spectacular causes are related to the impact of one or more large bolides in northern hemisphere at Popigai, Toms Canyon and Chesapeake Bay. Improved correlation ofnorthwest European successions to global events[12] confirms the Grande Coupure as occurring in the earliest Oligocene, with a hiatus of about 350 millennia prior to the first record of post-Grande Coupure Asian immigrant taxa.

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This should give us great pause: according to astronomers, most major climate change/extinction events are TRIGGERED by celestial crashes.  That is, this is all from outer space, not internal.  This may explain why major extinction events were mainly at the older end of the scale in the above graph: lots of celestial debris was crashing into the planet over and over again and over many millions of years, there was less and less stuff falling into the solar inner regions.

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This, in turn, shows us where our real danger lies: we must be scanning the skies for danger, the danger being a major asteroid/comet event that will make the planet SUDDENLY colder, not warmer.  Now, back to the freezing cold climate conference:

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BBC News – Copenhagen deal reaction in quotes

BARACK OBAMA, US PRESIDENT We’re going to have to build on the momentum that we’ve established here in Copenhagen to ensure that international action to significantly reduce emissions is sustained and sufficient over time. We’ve come a long way but we have much further to go.

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XIE ZHENHUA, HEAD OF CHINA’S DELEGATION The meeting has had a positive result, everyone should be happy. After negotiations both sides have managed to preserve their bottom line. For the Chinese this was our sovereignty and our national interest.

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JOHN SAUVEN, GREENPEACE UK The city of Copenhagen is a crime scene tonight, with the guilty men and women fleeing to the airport. There are no targets for carbon cuts and no agreement on a legally binding treaty. It seems there are too few politicians in this world capable of looking beyond the horizon of their own narrow self-interest, let alone caring much for the millions of people who are facing down the threat of climate change.

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The Greenpeace people may become extinct if it gets any colder.  That is, the hysteria of the global warming people has gone off the scale as I will show below with various quotes from various articles written by some of the most hysterical (and I believe, insane) people on earth.  But first, do note China’s point here: they believe in sovereignty and national interest.

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The Chinese have already put in draconian population controls unlike 99% of the warm climate states that are all screaming for help.  These, on the other hand, are merrily overpopulating themselves by allowing unlimited childbearing.  CIA – The World Factbook — Country Comparison :: Birth rate shows clearly which nations are out of control: African and Muslim nations are overwhelmingly the top 50 nations that have a birthrate of over 30-50 per 1,000 while the bottom 50 nations are overwhelmingly either very industrial or very cold countries and have a birthrate that is under 12 per 1,000.

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It is painfully obvious that the help that many equatorial nations need is more birth control.  And this is the last thing either the global warming guys want to discuss anymore than the equatorial nations that are eating and breeding themselves out of house and home, wish to address.

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Low targets, goals dropped: Copenhagen ends in failure | Environment | guardian.co.uk

Many observers blamed the US for coming to the talks with an offer of just 4% emissions cuts on 1990 levels. The final text made no obligations on developing countries to make cuts. Negotiators will now work on individual agreements such as forests, technology, and finance – but, without strong leadership, the chances are that it will take years to complete….

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…Lumumba Di-Aping, chief negotiator for the G77 group of 130 developing countries, was scathing: “This deal will definitely result in massive devastation in Africa and small island states. It has the lowest level of ambition you can imagine. It’s nothing short of climate change scepticism in action. “It locks countries into a cycle of poverty for ever. Obama has eliminated any difference between him and Bush.”…

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…Lydia Baker, Save the Children’s policy adviser said: “By signing a sub-standard deal, world leaders have effectively signed a death warrant for many of the world’s poorest children. Up to 250,000 children from poor communities could die before the next major meeting in Mexico at the end of next year.”

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Oh, the mercy!  If we don’t cool off the planet, all these children will die!  Well, I hate to say this, but they are not starving to death due to global warming. They are starving to death because they are being created much faster than ANY environment they live in.

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Copenhagen summit: Fighting for survival | Comment is free | The Guardian

Does the human race deserve to survive? It has been a tempting question to ask this week, as the talks designed to prevent the rise in the planet’s temperature developing into a life-threatening fever ground to a standstill over what were – on the face of it – arcane procedural issues.

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Here is a typical example of what happens when someone’s religious part of the brain is operating: everything is ‘The End of Times’!  We are all going to die if we don’t do this or that special thing.  The carbon trading system the bankers wanted was the thing that killed this global warming convention.  That is, the dire warnings that we will all die was hitched to this stupid money making scheme.

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Not something important.  If we are all going to die, the participants should have been talking about population controls, the elimination of international shipping and the total elimination of jet flying. Not to mention, no more wars over oil producing regions.  We have precious little control over the planet’s temperatures.  We have great control over our own sex lives.

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The US TV shows are about the Duggars, for example.  A renegade family trying to have 20 children.  Imagine if we imitated these guys???  Look at Octomom and Kate and her 8 spawn!  If we are all going to die, if the race of humans will perish, it is due to overpopulation leading to a classic population crash, NOT global warming.  Here is another religious fanatic screaming that we will all die:

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Gutless, yes. But the planet’s future is no priority of ours | Polly Toynbee | Comment is free | The Guardian

Politics is being weighed in the balance and found wanting. The writing is on the wall. The leadership required within and between each nation is heavier lifting that the weak machinery of governmental power can manage. Most leaders in Copenhagen were out ahead of their people. Most understand the crisis better than those they represent, promising more sacrifice than their citizens are yet ready to accept – while no doubt praying for some miraculous technological escape. This is the way the world ends, in communiques expressing insufficient commitment….

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…This week the Taxpayers’ Alliance adds its own dose of Copenhagen poison, with tendentious allegations of green “rip-off” taxes costing £26bn. So how do you persuade only averagely interested voters that the mighty weight of scientific opinion believes calamity is almost certain?

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News editors yawned as Copenhagen failed: the good news that everyone can fly BA over the Christmas period knocked it off the lead. “Heavy snowfall causes disruption” took top slot above global warming talks yesterday on the BBC. So bored was the BBC with Copenhagen that an injunction not to give children watered-down wine knocked the talks off the top all Thursday…

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…Incoming Tory candidates when polled want less not more green action and less foreign aid. Hillary Clinton can promise £100bn a year by 2020 – but the OECD reckons that £23bn of the £50bn promised by rich to poorer countries at Gleneagles in 2005 will now never be paid. Cameron talks a bit green but with no sign of green taxes. Ed Miliband’s seriousness has been admirable, saying openly that energy prices must rise. But Labour wasted most of its 12 years doing virtually nothing: neither Blair nor Brown as chancellor gave climate any priority.

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Oh, how dare the media in the cold northern/low birth nations report the many blizzards sweeping the northern hemisphere!  Silly people, the people being hammered by extreme cold should be reading news about how people in warm, balmy places are being potentially menaced by the possibility that the northern hemisphere might warm up!

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Note also how Polly Parrot, the writer of this hysterical screed, is happy that at least one member of the Church of the Holy Hot House admits these conferences are all about taxing the cold/low birthrate north to make the hot/high birthrate nations happy!  If we don’t give lots of money to the high birthrate nations, we will all supposedly die.  After it gets warm enough on my mountain, I won’t need firewood to stay alive in winter, of course.

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Now on to an editorial in the NYT about alligators.  It seems that the Times really doesn’t think the US will burn up and die in a few years.  Nor does the NYT think Florida will be all underwater, either:

Editorial – Hope for the Everglades – NYTimes.com

There are two reasons for the change. One is an infusion of federal cash. The administration included more than $100 million for Everglades restoration in the stimulus package, and Congress anted up another $100 million. The other is an infusion of high-level interest. Carol Browner, President Obama’s top environmental adviser, is a longtime Everglades champion. Ken Salazar, the secretary of the interior, is equally committed. The notoriously dysfunctional Army Corps of Engineers, which will have to do much of the actual work, is finally in the hands of people who care…

…The Office of Management and Budget wants major cuts in Everglades spending next year. The White House should resist them. Re-establishing momentum has not been easy, and it would be silly to arrest it now

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Let me get this straight: we are spending $100 million to keep alligators happy.  And to improve water in Florida where great masses of people moved to because they love hot, balmy climates.  And this isn’t a total waste of money since no one really believes that global warming will turn these alligator swamps into the Sahara Desert, either.  It is all about a nice status quo that depends on a very cold north to sustain itself.

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Now, this runs alongside the business of Congress unable to insure US citizens.  Children will die due to lack of healthcare.  Their parents will die and make them orphans if the parents are denied healthcare. And of course, we will see the orphans suffer when their parents die….all while we merrily spend our tax dollars on war stuff like this:  Obama Approves $30 Billion in Military Aid to Israel Over Next Decade — News from Antiwar.com.

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Instead of spending $30 billion on US citizens, we are spending it on Israeli Jews.  This is typical: short sighted and despite high support for spending US money on aliens who are dragging us into wars, we are allowing Americans at home to die due to lack of health services!  The same clowns who are voting to stop US healthcare voted 100% to support war money for Jewish settlers in Israel.

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Nothing very serious is going on as far as I can see: this is all business as usual. I don’t see any true sense of urgency within the ruling elites nor their minions who yell about the need to start the stupid carbon trading derivatives beast.  If this were a true planetary emergency, we would see more realistic actions, not this silly twaddle.  If we face HUMAN ANNIHILATION we wouldn’t see this fixed via a cheap money-making trick.

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Aside from this, burning coal is bad for the environment.  It produces a lot of chemical pollution that can cause huge health problems.

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Millions Drink Tap Water That Is Legal, but Maybe Not Healthy – Series – NYTimes.com

Dr. Pankaj Parekh, director of the water quality division for the City of Los Angeles, has faced such criticism. The water in some city reservoirs has contained contaminants that become likely cancer-causing compounds when exposed to sunlight. To stop the carcinogens from forming, the city covered the surface of reservoirs, including one in the upscale neighborhood of Silver Lake, with a blanket of black plastic balls that blocked the sun. Then complaints started from owners of expensive houses around the reservoir. “They supposedly discovered these chemicals, and then they ruined the reservoir by putting black pimples all over it,” said Laurie Pepper, whose home overlooks the manmade lake. “If the water is so dangerous, why can’t they tell us what laws it’s violated?”

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The fancy houses on this watershed have humans living inside who like a pretty view.  They use air conditioners in summer and heat in winter.  They love to suck down energy but want the natural environment to look pretty, to look sylvan and to be pleasant including the idea that they do not want to live in a winter wonderland all the time with their lovely lake frozen solid, either.

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California has lots of water pollution. It has lots of people.  It is overpopulated when we look at water resources.  The air is polluted due to too many people using too much fossil fuels.  The people of California could continue to let the population surge until the place is as ruined as Haiti.  But I suspect the majority want things to stay the way it is today, forever.

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Ah, the eternal status quo!  Never changing.  This never happens in any dynamic system where lifeforms evolve.  We live in a very unstable planetary system that has changed greatly over the eons.

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11 responses to “The Ice Age Began 33 Million Years Ago

  1. nah

    n’ my christmas salutations to emsnews i dropped the fbomb… but its not like that see i love the jolly parties, gifts and rememberance…
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    just i feel so entitled come friday ‘and pretty damn drunk with a cigar hangin out my snout’
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    and i think im funny
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    MERRY CHRISTMAS N’ HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYONE

  2. nah

    This, in turn, shows us where our real danger lies: we must be scanning the skies for danger
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    we need way better space ships that can plop interstellar telescopes around the giant gravity poles of the solar system
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    having a few radar stations and observation posts at the recieving end of a shotgun just doesnt work as well id think
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    mabe the LHC will find a new way to vibrate energy out of reality so that we can send all the chinese into space to thwart the 50 yr plan and steal all the oil from chiwan’
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    would help people be important again leveraging ‘new’ cheap energy into the cosmos
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    http://www.cahrecords.com
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    Buck Rogers style

  3. PLovering

    Lizards employ two weapons: gold and mobs.

    In 2007, the US exported 8,000 tons of gold to Lizard Central bankers.

    Another 2,000 tons of US gold compounds have been exported since … not much left.

    Food shortages are baked in the cake in 2010.

    Bring on the mobs.

  4. I read Jared Diamonds book ‘ Collapse’ ,things can go very awry.

  5. From a recent paper by James Hansen;

    ”During 2008 and 2009 I received many messages, sometimes several per day informing
    me that the Earth is headed into its next ice age. Some messages include graphs extrapolating
    cooling trends into the future. Some messages use foul language and demand my resignation.
    Of the messages that include any science, almost invariably the claim is made that the sun
    controls Earth’s climate, the sun is entering a long period of diminishing energy output, and the
    sun is the cause of the cooling trend.
    Indeed, it is likely that the sun is an important factor in climate variability. Figure 4
    shows data on solar irradiance for the period of satellite measurements. We are presently in the
    deepest most prolonged solar minimum in the period of satellite data. It is uncertain whether the
    solar irradiance will rebound soon into a more-or-less normal solar cycle – or whether it might
    remain at a low level for decades, analogous to the Maunder Minimum, a period of few sunspots
    that may have been a principal cause of the Little Ice Age.
    The direct climate forcing due to measured solar variability, about 0.2 W/m2, is
    comparable to the increase in carbon dioxide forcing that occurs in about seven years, using
    recent CO2 growth rates. Although there is a possibility that the solar forcing could be amplified
    by indirect effects, such as changes of atmospheric ozone, present understanding suggests only a
    small amplification, as discussed elsewhere (Hansen 2009). The global temperature record
    (Figure 1) has positive correlation with solar irradiance, with the amplitude of temperature
    variation being approximately consistent with the direct solar forcing.”

  6. JT

    Paris
    http://www.demotix.com/news/snow-storm-paris-france

    Channel Trains Stuck
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE5BG1VI20091219

    UK
    http://web.orange.co.uk/article/let_it_snow_britain_shivers?sid=bb8aeafa9aad

    Spaghetti Monster, Big Electron, Thor or Thetans whatever do not seem to be on the side of the alarmists 😉 .

    Elaine you should start making up new words for snow they may be needed in the coming decade.
    http://everything2.com/title/Finnish+words+for+snow

  7. don

    Elaine: I hope you get a chance to write about the new “bought off congress” health care bill, from a financial perspective. Have a Happy Holidays.

  8. if there is an ice age how come we have been having fairly mild winters and little and almost NO snow for the last 5-6 years here where I live in Bulgaria plus we just had the warmest summer on record? Please clue me in?

  9. emsnews

    Due to the cutting of forests in warm regions coupled with shifts in the jet stream, places that were never covered by glaciers in the Ice Ages are warming up. But places that were covered by glaciers thousands of years ago are not seeing much in the way of warming.

    Weather is very complex. The Mediterranean basin saw the vast majority of its forests denuded long ago. Thus, it is hotter and drier. While the NE USA has seen forests resurging across the entire area.

  10. 80 Dead in European Cold Wave.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8424953.stm

    Hey, where’s that global warming Al Gore and Gordon Brown have been warning us about???

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