Looking At Illegal Immigration Facts

ΩΩThe reason I often write long, tedious, full of facts and graphs articles is to jolt people into thinking rationally rather than having pre-programmed emotional responses to incoming data.  The furious illegal immigration debate going on tips into irrational or destructive thinking with both the left and the right wings.  There is immense emotion here which is why I have to clear some cobwebs and discuss firmly, ‘What is sovereignty and citizenship?  And why do we need protections in all areas at all times?’

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ΩΩSome people reading me have figured out that I am a protectionist.  This word has been turned into a dirty curse word via insidious propaganda in schools, media, politics and in general.  The concept of protecting something does exist…in the ‘green’ movement which seeks to protect a form of ‘Eden’.  The CO2 pollution people want to keep the climate literally frozen in place and protect the entire planet via controlling the use of fossil fuels.  But the idea of protecting LOTS of things like say, jobs, or sovereignty of one’s home state, is an ideological no-no, big time.

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ΩΩThis runs alongside a huge push and admiration for fracturing existing states into smaller and smaller ethnic enclaves that hate each other.  The US, for example, supports the fracturing of both Russia and China into increasingly smaller units.  This ‘Yugoslavization’ of rival economic powers runs alongside mega-imperialism of the G7 nations.  All of which are going rapidly bankrupt due to either hyper-internationalism destroying sovereign states such as Japan and Germany or excess war spending by the US imperial center, prosecuting distant wars against fractious tribal peasants who hate globalism with an undying passion.

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ΩΩIn the ‘liberal’ media such as the Huffington Post, we see nonstop attacks on any Americans who dare suggest we use some tools of some sort to protect our workforce, our jobs, our sovereign infrastructure and our tax system.  This is just like on the far right that wants to wage wars in distant lands, crossing sovereign borders on fictitious disarmament demands and fixing our sovereignty by imposing our rule on everyone but ourselves.

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ΩΩHere at my own blog, some readers erroneously suggested I am a ‘racist’ because I want to have some sort of sovereign power over who crosses into our country and what they do once they enter.  Pinning the ‘racist’ label on anyone who wishes for a normal government doing what governments are supposed to do (protect the citizens) is a common tactic used by bullies.  At the same time, if I suggest that the Jews in the Holy Land cease persecuting the natives there, imposing severe restraints on movement of the natives and keeping them penned up in ghettos, I am called ‘anti-semitic’.  And I can’t win.  The idea that the Jewish invasion of Palestine and the crushing of the people there, turning the natives into ‘illegal aliens’ is OK lies at the dark heart of our inability to defend our own nation anymore.

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ΩΩI fear that people who are citizens of the US will be turned into Palestinians!  But this doesn’t mean foreigners who come here illegally are ‘Palestinians’.  They are outsiders!  They are the equivalent of the Russian Jews who flooded into Palestine and after a significant number showed up, proceeded to push the natives out.  This is a complex thinking process, explaining how population displacements are HOSTILE ACTIONS.

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ΩΩFor example, the tensions between blacks and Hispanics is rising because the black community’s road to opportunity is becoming narrower and narrower as they are being displaced by Hispanic illegal aliens.

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ΩΩReading the flood of comments at the Huffington Post illustrates how knee-jerk many ‘liberals’ are when it comes to denouncing protectionism:  Arkansas Senate: 2010 Election BREAKING News

The ad features Indian-American actors “thanking” Halter while superimposed in front of various street scenes in India. The spot has been criticized as playing up stereotypes of India.

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“Bangalore says thanks, Bill Halter,” an announcer’s voice says in the ad. Lincoln has accused Halter of outsourcing in relation to WebMethods Inc., a company where he once served on the board of directors.

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ΩΩThe GOP is very, very cynical.  They play their own voters like violins.  When in power, they outsource and offshore to their heart’s content while their own voters scratch their heads, wondering what is going wrong.  Easily fooled, they vote for their own destruction.  Virtually none of the GOP candidates support stopping ‘free trade’ and the odious removal of as many US jobs as possible to alien lands.

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ΩΩNonetheless, the Democrats are equally insane!  The comments here illustrate the insanity.  Virtually no Democrats are really against offshoring and outsourcing, too!  This is why it hasn’t mattered, who is in office, the result is always the same: US businesses are allowed to and encouraged to destroy US jobs and not hire US citizens!  The feeble efforts to protect US jobs and citizens are attacked viciously on the left as ‘racism’ and ‘anti-worker’ even as protectionism helps workers, not hurts them.

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ΩΩWhen Ross Perot ran for office he got a huge percentage of the vote (thus, tipping the election to Clinton) when he talked about the ‘giant sucking sound’ of jobs being removed from our nation.  He was, of course, 100% correct.  Clinton signed NAFTA and the giant sucking sound became a deafening roar.

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ΩΩRoss Perot was very rich and could finance his own media via buying commercial time.  He forced the TV networks to put him in the debates or rather, the League of Women Voters that sponsored the debates put him on…which is why they no longer run the debates, these are now question and answer sessions run by Zionists.  So the entire concept of a ‘debate’ has been debased.

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ΩΩAnd of course, dear Ross also broke other rules: he used facts, figures, graphs and information when he talked instead of emotional appeals.  Politicians tend to not do this very much and certainly, editorialists on the left and right avoid doing this like the plague.  But I love doing this!  So we will see lots of facts in a minute.  First, a small snipped from a ‘liberal’ who is a major Zionist, Mr. Flat Earth Friedman: Op-Ed Columnist – Narcos, No’s and Nafta – NYTimes.com

We take the Mexican-American relationship for granted. But with the drug wars in Mexico turning into Wild West shootouts on city streets and with our own immigration politics turning more heated, what’s happening in Mexico has become much more critical to American foreign policy and merits more of our attention. Mexico is not Afghanistan, but it also has not become all that it hoped to be by now. Something feels stalled here.

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Three groups are now wrestling to shape Mexico’s future. I’d call them “the Narcos,” “the No’s” and “the Naftas.” Root for the Naftas.

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ΩΩHe is anti-protectionist.  I am assuming he wants us to have economic parity with Mexico and then the problem is solved.  This is like wanting Greece to have economic parity with Germany and thus, fix the problem of Greece’s collapsing economy, tax evasion, poor working systems, etc.  Wrecking Germany’s work ethic, tax collection ethics, etc will only drag Germany down, not bring Greece up.

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ΩΩThe Narcos are fighting each other and the government and time is running out: the US MUST legalize illegal drugs and thus take the profit motive out of it.  We can’t continue this stupid ‘Prohibition’ any longer.  The only thing that grew out of the Prohibition years was the Mafia.  This deluded moralist crusade warped businesses and the economy as badly as the war debts warped banking.  So it is with the endless, expensive and stupid ‘War on Drugs’.

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ΩΩOf course, Friedman won’t call for an end to the Narcos economy!  The GOP won’t call for an end to it, either.  Liberals always wanted to end this stupid, inane war, but whenever they manage to get a Democratic President and Congress, the line of communications are instantly cut by corporations and lobbyists so nothing good comes from voting liberal, either.

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ΩΩThe wave of anti-protectionist editorializing by our mostly Zionist media did have some sane editorials which the NYT put up only so it wouldn’t be totally lopsided.  After all, actual legislators had to be given a minute to answer the howls of the professional critics!  Here is one of the writers of the Arizona laws that so infuriate our globalists:  Op-Ed Contributor – Why Arizona Had to Draw a Line on Illegal Immigrants – NYTimes.com

Actually, Section 2 provides that a law enforcement official “may not solely consider race, color or national origin” in making any stops or determining immigration status. In addition, all normal Fourth Amendment protections against profiling will continue to apply. In fact, the Arizona law actually reduces the likelihood of race-based harassment by compelling police officers to contact the federal government as soon as is practicable when they suspect a person is an illegal alien, as opposed to letting them make arrests on their own assessment.

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Arizona’s law does not require anyone, alien or otherwise, to carry a driver’s license. Rather, it gives any alien with a license a free pass if his immigration status is in doubt. Because Arizona allows only lawful residents to obtain licenses, an officer must presume that someone who produces one is legally in the country.

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While it is true that Washington holds primary authority in immigration, the Supreme Court since 1976 has recognized that states may enact laws to discourage illegal immigration without being pre-empted by federal law. As long as Congress hasn’t expressly forbidden the state law in question, the statute doesn’t conflict with federal law and Congress has not displaced all state laws from the field, it is permitted. That’s why Arizona’s 2007 law making it illegal to knowingly employ unauthorized aliens was sustained by the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit.

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ΩΩThis rebuttal of all the hysteria surrounding the Arizona law was pretty much ignored by professional anti-protectionists.  Protectionists can’t get jobs in the media, if you sound even slightly protectionist, you are denounced, attacked and savaged. The more you persist, the more emotional the attacks.  This is how all abusive relationships operate.  The silencing of all protectionists is like a bad marriage.  We can’t even be heard over the bellows of rage.  Now, on to some harsh facts we dare not ignore: Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), also Simpson-Mazzoli Act (Pub.L. 99-603, 100 Stat. 3359, signed by President Ronald Reagan on November 6, 1986) is an Act of Congress which reformed United States immigration law. The Act made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit illegal immigrants (immigrants who do not possess lawful work authorization), required employers to attest to their employees’ immigration status, and granted amnesty to certain illegal immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously. The Act also granted a path towards legalization to certain agricultural seasonal workers and immigrants who had been continuously and illegally present in the United States since January 1, 1982….

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…The hiring process also changed as employers turned to indirect hiring through subcontractors. “Under a subcontracting agreement, a U.S. citizen or resident alien contractually agrees with an employer to provide a specific number of workers for a certain period of time to undertake a defined task at a fixed rate of pay per worker”.[3]By using a subcontractor the firm is not held liable since the workers are not employees. The use of a subcontractor decreases a worker’s wages since a portion is kept by the subcontractor. This indirect hiring is imposed on everyone regardless of legality”.

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ΩΩThe US experimented with legalizing illegal aliens and the price paid for this ‘amnesty’ was to pass much stronger protections preventing aliens from stealing US native jobs.  But the bill was chopped up by lobbyists so 90% of these protections never made it into law.  And enough loopholes were inserted so that corporations could resume hiring illegal aliens over citizens because they were more like slaves and thus, could be brutally exploited.

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ΩΩThe only way to stop this exploitation is to punish severely any corporations doing this.  The gambit of using ‘subcontractors’ should be eliminated.  This is how bad working conditions are exported along with our jobs: people toiling in distant lands, ruled by draconian powers, can’t fight off alien corporations working in conjunction with the rulers of these unfortunate people.

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ΩΩNAFTA was all about getting a corrupt Mexican government to cooperate with US corporations to exploit cheap peasant labor, peasants displaced from their own farms due to a flood of US food exports to Mexico, for example.  That is, the citizens of Mexico were NOT protected by their own government!  Just like US citizens!  Imagine that.

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Impacts Of Illegal Immigration: Crime

After passage of the weak 1986 laws, the number of illegals dropped dramatically.  But once the corporations saw that they were still protected by a corrupt Congress and corrupt Presidents, the flood of illegals resumed.  For 20 years, it roared upwards, rapidly. .

The GAO issued a report, number GAO-05-337R, entitled Information on Criminal Aliens Incarcerated in Federal and State Prisons and Local Jails on May 9, 2005, prepared for the Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security, and Claims. It noted:

“At the federal level, the number of criminal aliens incarcerated increased from about 42,000 at the end of calendar year 2001 to about 49,000 at the end of calendar year 2004–a 15 percent increase. The percentage of all federal prisoners who are criminal aliens has remained the same over the last 3 years–about 27 percent. The majority of criminal aliens incarcerated at the end of calendar year 2004 were identified as citizens of Mexico. We estimate the federal cost of incarcerating criminal aliens–BOP’s cost to incarcerate criminals and reimbursements to state and local governments under SCAAP–totaled approximately $5.8 billion for calendar years 2001 through 2004. BOP’s cost to incarcerate criminal aliens rose from about $950 million in 2001 to about $1.2 billion in 2004–a 14 percent increase.”….”Federal reimbursements for incarcerating criminal aliens in state prisons and local jails declined from $550 million in 2001 to $280 million in 2004, in a large part due to a reduction in congressional appropriations.”

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ΩΩIt is NOT ‘racism’ to note that there is a flood of illegal aliens pouring in from Mexico and…a horrible number of them are CRIMINALS in other ways, often terrible ways.  And asking police to ignore this information is suicidal.  If people want to live in chaos and destruction, this may be OK but I don’t like this at all.  Just as anti-vaccinationists want us to try living in a world of germs with no protections, the concept of PROTECTIONS which are PUBLIC and PART OF THE SYSTEM is of highest importance!

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ΩΩUnprotected places are miserable.  Protected places are domestic happiness.  I lived in a tent for ten years.  This is poor protection from nearly everything!  I was relieved to finish building my house on this mountain and live in a solid, well built, protective shell!   DUH.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/NIFCJS.PDF

The number of noncitizens processed in the Federal criminal justice system increased an average 10% annually from 1984 to 1994. During 1984, 3,462 noncitizens were prosecuted in U.S. district courts; during 1994, more than 10,000 were prosecuted. The greatest part of this increase occurred between 1986 and 1989, when the number increased by almost 6,000. Since 1989 the number has remained fairly stable.

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In contrast to the substantial increase in the number of noncitizens prosecuted, the overall Federal criminal caseload increased at a much slower rate between 1984 and 1994  an average of less than 2% annually. During 1984 approximately 49,000 defendants were prosecuted in U.S. district courts; during 1994 approximately 59,000 were prosecuted.

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ΩΩThe graph shows a growing ‘hockey stick’ expansion.  This is highly dangerous.  This shows the tip of a very big crime iceberg.  When I was a child, I knew virtually no one who had bars on their windows in Arizona or virtually anywhere.  Now, this is common.  When crime began to climb, I tried various things, being young.  One was to dig a pit by the back door and cover it with a rug at night.  It was not funny, how many guys I caught with this!  Finally, the police told me to stop.

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ΩΩSo instead, I kept weapons by the bed.  A guy tried to climb in my bedroom window and I had a headache and threw a knife at him and it hit the window frame which irritated me no end.  But he did me a huge favor: he ran around Tucson, telling everyone I nearly nailed him.  Attacks on me dropped like a rock.

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ΩΩIn NYC, it is harder to convince gangs and criminals to lay off of me.  Finally, when I hauled a dozen into court after taking them down physically (rather violently, I may add) word got out and people left my block alone.  At one point, my neighbors and I blocked our block with couches and wouldn’t let ANYONE enter via car or on foot and one thing we did was demand identification!  The mayor came and told us to stop it and I stood on one of the couches and yelled, ‘Give us foot patrols and arrest the criminals!’

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ΩΩWe had 3 murders, 2 of which were by illegal aliens, in one week on my block and we were sick and tired of no protection.  I get very,very peeved about this issue because it is very, very real to me, not theoretical.  It isn’t a ‘fuzzy, happy’ issue, it is literal life and death.

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ΩΩThe Bush misadminstration did very little to stop this wave of crime.  The Democrats, being forced out of the woodwork, are now trying to get a grip on this mess and are proud about increasing enforcement of laws that the GOP chose to ignore for obvious reasons (corporations made out like bandits thanks to illegal labor!).  Here is the official US enforcement of immigration laws own website:  ICE Fugitive Operations Teams in Maryland arrest more than 924 fugitives and immigration status violators

ICE Fugitive Operations Teams in Maryland arrest more than 924 fugitives and immigration status violators. Arrests nearly double locally and nationally compared to the previous fiscal year…As of October 1, 2007, ICE’s fugitive case backlog consisted of less than 595,000 fugitive aliens. This total is approximately 38,000 fewer fugitives than the population recorded on October 1, 2006, and marks the first time that fugitive arrests have out paced the annual number of new absconders.

ΩΩHAHAHA.  Virtually NO enforcement under Bush!  True, it did improve after 9/11—slightly!  But these numbers are not ‘in the millions’ or even ‘in the thousands’: these are the actual numbers!!!!  So, we have about…hmmm…12 million illegal aliens and there were 30,000 arrests at corporations and businesses which hire millions of these people?  HAHAHA.  Right!  We see the number shooting up from a ridiculous 2,000 arrests but golly gee, isn’t this like emptying the ocean using a spoon?  From another ICE immigration webpage:

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Worksite Enforcement Fact Sheet

Like other white collar crimes, ICE worksite enforcement cases can be complex and lengthy, sometimes requiring months or even years of follow-up investigation. In many instances, these cases not only involve violations of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), but frequently reveal a host of other crimes, such as alien smuggling, document fraud, identity theft, money laundering, and wage and labor violations.

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The leads that spark a worksite investigation come from an array of sources – tips from the public, reports from a company’s current or former employees, even referrals from other law enforcement agencies.

ΩΩAgain, it shot up since 2006 when the Democrats took over Congress!  These laws were nearly totally ignored under the GOP.  Yet, the GOP loves to push the protectionist buttons on voters when out of power, but when in power, turns it off and ignores its own voters.  But the other point here is how puny even a greatly improved prosecution and arrest rate really is!  It is what, about 1% of the problem we see?

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ΩΩThis is no joke.  The Democrats are enforcing the laws much more than the Republicans.  But both parties know this is Kabuki theater, not serious.  The Democrats hope to court the Hispanics by having another ‘amnesty’ coupled with the threat of closing the barn door but the barn door will be propped open again so long as we have an anti-protectionist theoretical basis for our entire society.

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ΩΩGetting rid of this is harder than pulling a hungry crocodile’s teeth!  This is where the vast, fabulous profits of the elites come from: reaming out our nation, exploiting us by refusing to even pretend to protect our sovereignty, our interests and our welfare.  Now, they openly discuss killing even the small social welfare we do have!  All, in the name of fixing our economic system.  And what broke it?

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ΩΩAh!  The destruction of the concept of ‘protecting’ anything!  This is the golden key to saving our nation.  Many ‘liberal’ websites tout the idea that America is bad and it is better to move to happier places.  Many rightwing websites advise readers who are retiring to move to socialist countries or Mexico or somewhere cheap so they can exploit the peasants while living high off the hog.  Everyone is supposed to be ‘me, me, me’ all the time and ignore the damage they are causing to everyone else.

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ΩΩI am happy people who hate this country are leaving but this isn’t going to do me any good if the forces destroying my nation are encouraged or continue.  We have to save the entire nation, not commit mass suicide.  And a top tool to use is the rational parts of our brains, not knee-jerk emotionalism or left/right false disputes.

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48 responses to “Looking At Illegal Immigration Facts

  1. Paul S

    I can recall about ten years ago, maybe even a little longer than that, the convenience stores and fast food places and the like were offering starting wages of at or around $10.00/hr. Some of these places were even offering tuition assisstance as well. And some form of medical coverage. Not today. In some countries, this would be cause for taking to the streets in protest and DEMANDING change. Why doesn’t this happen here? It should be clear by now that this isn’t going to change until the average Joe/Jane takes action and demands it.

  2. isha

    … I grew up mostly in southern Arizona. I lived alone there, too…
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    Just my observation… most of the “illegal aliens” considered themselves have a legimate right to come back to Arizona, Texas, California… in the larger scheme of things, do you consider they have a point? Any poetic justice here?

  3. emsnews

    Come back???? What???? When my great grandfather rode into Tucson, it had a very,very, very small population. And the native Indian farming tribes there greeted him as a savior because he would stop the Apache raids!

    And this was the Gadsden Purchase we are talking about. There were very few ‘Mexicans’ there due to lack of any good opportunities (See: Apaches attack Mexicans’ to understand why this was so back in 1882).

  4. emsnews

    Indeed, the history of Apache raids is minimized by many people today. The Apaches drove out many Mexican farmers on both sides of the border. As with today, the Mexican government couldn’t run things too well and this is one reason why the southern half of Arizona was purchased from the Mexican government back then. Mexico had virtually no sovereign control over the region. People forget there were a number of peaceful farming Indian tribes in the Sonora region.

  5. isha

    That is my point:

    For most of your so-called “illegal aliens”, they don’t recognize the legitimacy of both “Mexico” and the “North Americano” authorities, both are equally cruel and genocidal to them in the first place.

    Playing gods to one group at the expense of anther doesn’t give you any more legitimacy. They, most of Native American decedents, are there doing the dirtiest jobs, laughing, merrying, traveling and making a lot of babies. No amount of police brutality, lynching mobs could eliminate them or push them back…. they are succeeding…

  6. isha

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsden_Purchase

    Just because that stupid Santa Anna signs his dirty name on some dirty paper and these empire builders drew some line on the maps, in some languages that those native people don’t understand anyway, why do you think they have the moral obligation to obey it in the first place… don’t show these “purchases” contract to me, it was contract signed by the people who have no authority to sign, under the duress of the barrel of cannons

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    ELAINE: This is how ALL nations are built. You may want no nations and have open borders but Mexico doesn’t have open borders at all. You can’t just move there and start demanding the same privileges as the citizens. Yes, being a modern citizen has certain conditions attached!

  7. melponeme_k

    “And the native Indian farming tribes there greeted him as a savior because he would stop the Apache raids!”

    This is an element in American history that is frequently ignored because it doesn’t fit the current myth making framework of our nation. I would love to read about the tribes who used the newcomers against their rivals. We get part of this story in Spanish-Mayan clashes but rarely in American history.

    My own people used the Russians for trade wars. Everyone wanted a strangle hold on their chinese tea and bead market. That led to a lot of strategic marriages.

    Its hard to discuss illegal immigration rationally. Almost everyone agrees that illegal immigration is a problem. But after that any discussion about it falls into bitter arguments. Most people think of Mexicans when they discuss this problem. But a lot of major coastal cities are experiencing crime explosions because of Eastern European illegals. They are what most call the “Russian” mob.

  8. emsnews

    Ah, the Russian Mafia! When we were anxious to bring over Russians to prove communism was evil, the Russians, like Cuba, sent over a flood of criminals, too.

  9. In Elaine, I’ve been percieving a strong inclination toward nationalism/patriotism/protectionism/US sovereignty … IMHO, it informs much of what she writes. I’m very glad to see her begin to explicitly make the case for this. Some time ago I put together some ‘facts’ on immigration – assertions that not too many reasonably well-informed people wold take exception to. http://chasegalleryconnect.org/FNC_C/Micron_F/homeplaceRefs/Immigration_Facts.html

    A couple of the several questions in front of us are: —Should we disallow dual citizenship? —Do we want to firm up the Citizenship Clause? Below is part of what you’ll find if you go to work on the page I reference above.

    -Fred

    “Clearly, under the Citizenship Clause the Congress has no power to deny citizenship to a U.S.-born child of American parents, who is in no way subject to any foreign power. But the truth is, that is all the Citizenship Clause says.

    Reasonable legislation to enforce the Citizenship Clause would provide that:

    * the child of U.S. citizens, wherever born, is a U.S. citizen;

    * the child of a U.S. citizen and a foreign national, wherever born, should be treated as a U.S. citizen until age 18, at which age he must choose between U.S. citizenship and his foreign parent’s citizenship; no dual citizenship allowed;

    * the U.S.-born child of legally resident aliens is not a U.S. citizen. If his parents, with whom he then resides and whose dependent he is, should become naturalized U.S. citizens before his 18th birthday (and he has no criminal record) he may naturalize with them. At 18, he must choose between the U.S. and his ancestral country; no dual citizenship allowed; and

    * the U.S.-born child of illegal aliens is not a U.S. citizen, any more than he would be if born in his home country.

    These restrictions take into account the concerns that the Citizenship Clause’s drafters had about not devaluing American citizenship and the conflicts inherent in dual allegiance. The denial of birthright citizenship to the U.S.-born children of foreign nationals, whether legally resident or illegal aliens, is neither a denial of their right to U.S. citizenship (they have none) nor does it render them stateless. “

  10. flipspiceland

    Illegal immigration is not a problem. It is an opportunity for loser politicians to grab votes at the expense of the indigenous tribes.

    It’s ILLEGAL! But enforced about as poorly as the SEC does its job.

  11. isha

    flipspiceland

    It’s ILLEGAL!
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    There is human law and there is natural law and the two are not exactly in sync. Not quite a long while ago, it was illegal to marry interracially, of course, it was legal to have sexual intercourse with slaves and enslave the decendants… ask Thomas Jefferson.. he was a law maker…

  12. ann coulter

    gt. ideas! search low pop. growth
    (eastern EU) v. hi. Mex. 1940, 20 m
    soon 120mil up 6x 70 yrs.
    HMO reform web says ‘ will
    cover undocumented.’ Taxpayers will pay?

  13. ann coulter

    gt. ideas! search low pop. growth
    (eastern EU) v. hi. Mex. 1940, 20 m
    soon 120mil up 6x 70 yrs.
    HMO reform web says ‘ will
    cover undocumented.’ Sam’s Taxpayers will pay, web says, for h. care reforms applied
    to un ‘docs’.

  14. DeVaul

    I personally believe that this immigration issue will be the smoke bomb the rich and powerful set off to cover their escape. Time is running out on their ponzi schemes and they need to distract attention away from themselves. Since many of them are Jewish citizens, the Mexican aliens are the preferred target for lower class wrath.

    This is the perfect cover for them, as there is no rational solution to this highly emotional problem — a problem which they themselves created, just like all the others.

    I think the modern elites are smarter than the old european aristocracy, and know how to “get out of dodge”. I may be wrong, but it seems to be working so far.

    It makes me angry that they can set off vicious ethnic wars while they row away unnoticed in the life boats.

  15. First of all I think it’s a red herring to lump the issue of protectionism into the immigration debate, especially in regards to the debate we’ve been having here.

    In Harper Lee’s , “To Kill a Mockingbird”, is written this line: “Every person has value and is entitled to justice, fairness, and opportunity”.

    The Arizona Law we’ve been discussing violates all of these. It is “a license for racial profiling”. The “show me your papers or go to jail law” is targeting people who are Hispanic.

    From The Daily News article by Juan Gonzalez:

    “Given that 30% of Arizona’s population is Hispanic and 10% is Native American, you can bet many dark-skinned legal residents and citizens will be victims of this new police authority.

    In Arizona, carry your birth certificate and passport at all times.

    Another provision of the new law, aimed at day laborers, makes it a misdemeanor for an undocumented worker to solicit work on public streets.

    The law’s bizarre definition of soliciting is: “any verbal or nonverbal communication by a gesture or nod that would indicate to a reasonable person that a person is willing to be employed.” ”

    Elaine says in the post above that people accuse her of racism and those people are insane. No one in this thread or the previous one has done that. I didn’t accuse her of that.
    I was asking her to acknowledge that bigotry is swirling around the country as a reaction to the election of a black president. And I accused those people and others in Arizona who are responsible for the odious law of being racist.

    Arizona is a state that rejected an official holiday to honor Martin Luther King, and caved-in only after being subjected to a boycott. And then there’s Sheriff Arpaio who thinks that feeding his prisoners spoiled meat, is hilarious. On top of which comes the state’s new power to hold fear over the legals and illegals alike.

    The negative reaction, and strong reaction, against this law has drawn criticism from Mexico’s president and the US president, and also from diverse parts of the political spectrum it has been condemned. And it is condemned, because like Sheriff Arpaio’s green bologna, it stinks.

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    ELAINE: Unfortunately, the liberal solution has been to do absolutely nothing. Look, the vast bulk of illegal aliens are Hispanic so you obviously look at Hispanics if you wish to find illegal aliens! Of course, stopping them at the border is much, much, much better than trying to chase them down inside the country but of course, keeping them from sucking up all legal jobs is easy: you have to have national ID. Which the right wingers hate! This is all so pathetic, actually.

  16. The democratic immigration legislation requires a national identification card — which is dubbed a “biometric social security card.” Though Democrats insist it will only be used for employment purposes, it will serve another purpose. Here in Bellingham Washington for about two years, the public works department has been installing radio frequency readers and transponders at many traffic intersections; these may have optical transmission capability as well. When one passes by or underneath a reader , one’s biometric data will be transmitted to surveillance headquarters.

    One can click on the referenced link to understand that national sovereignty died on March 23, 2005, with the announcement of the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, the SPP, by the leaders of Canada, Mexico and America. It was at that time the sovereign nations were replaced by a region of global governance. One is no longer a citizen; now one is a resident of a continental homeland.

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    ELAINE: That is pure insanity. You are not a resident of this continent, you are a CITIZEN of a COUNTRY. Throwing away your citizenship and being a mere resident means you have no real political power!

  17. Gus

    Audit the Fed vote coming in
    the Senate

    Rahm Emanuel trying
    to block audit

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/03/rahm-working-with-fed-to_n_561505.html

  18. No one here is calling you a racist Elaine. Even during our Haitian tangle I argued that you were guilty of a certain cultural chauvinism and little else.

    With regards to immigration from Mexico I find it perplexing that NAFTA’s obvious goal of handicapping the working class (on either side of the border) on capital’s behalf seems to escape you. It was quite clear to the Clinton administration what NAFTA’s impact on the Mexican people would be which is why it immediately moved to militarize the border at the time.

    I don’t find this argument unreasonable:

    http://thespanishprisoner.wordpress.com/2010/05/01/stop-the-racist-attack-on-immigrants/

  19. Citizenship? What Citizenship?

    It’s now one for all; and all for one.

    The announcement by the EU Finance Ministers of funding of the Merkel-Strauss-Kahnwcon Seigniorage Plan for Greece is the dawn of a new era of unified monetary, banking, political and economic regulation in Europe; and by necesity a change in perception about citizenship.

    The EU Finance Mininsters’ Announcement of funding of the Euro Stability Pace establishes A One Euro Governement; national sovereignty is history; this is a principle of a bygone era. A Federal Europe is on the way.

    Rising risk from contagion of sovereign debt default and contagion from downgrade of banks across Europe will require universal integraton and regulation of banking globally within Europe.

    Yes, unified regulation of global banking is coming, both in Europe and glogally, as James Politi and Gillian Tett of FT.com relate that at the onset of the June 10, 2008, EU-US 2008 Summit, held in Krajn, Slovenia: Timothy Geithner, President of the New York Branch of the Federal Reserve and Bilderberg 2008 attendee, wrote a commentary in The Financial Times, in which he called for a global financial system operating under a unified regulatory framework — unified regulation of banking globally is the way of the future.

    Jean-Claude Trichet, president of the European Central Bank, ECB, emphasized the need for global coordination of financial regulation in an April 26 address at the Council on Foreign Relations, CFR. He argued for unified international accounting and capital standards for banks, as well as more say for industrializing countries in structuring global financial markets.

    Paul Joseph Watson in GlobalResearch.ca article Secretive Group Of International Bankers To Form A World Government? relates that that international bankers, responsible to no nation state, will become the primary leadership of world government. In a speech before the elitist Council On Foreign Relations organization in New York earlier this week, President of the European Central Bank Jean-Claude Trichet called for the imposition of global governance to be bossed by the G20 and the corrupt Bank of International Settlements in the name of safeguarding the global economy. In an address entitled “Global Governance Today,” Trichet proclaims how the elite need to impose “A set of rules, institutions, informal groupings and cooperation mechanisms that we call “global governance”. During the course of the speech, Trichet uses the term “global governance” well over a dozen times, outlining how “global governance is of the essence” to avoid another financial crisis. Section one of Trichet’s speech is entitled, “Why we need global governance,” and from then on he constantly invokes the economic downturn as a justification for new global institutions.

    One is now, no longer a citizen of a sovereign nation; one is a world resident.

    One can use the link provided to go to the CFR web site to watch the videos.

  20. Gus

    Elaine this is incredible!

    Professors are outsourcing
    grading papers! LOL

    http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2010/05/university-professors-outsource-grading.html

  21. Steve Murgaski

    Elaine, I see a thin line between wanting to protect ‘native’ industry, and wanting to throw other nations to the wolves in hopes of saving one’s own. Please don’t just say `This is the way nations are built. Some colors of people are sacrificed so that others can triumph.’ We need to be internationalist enough not to accept that, or else our politics turns into just so many rats clawing for position on top of a heap of garbage.

  22. igneous

    I would think that racial profiling is already taking place in Arizona with the amount of criminals that come across the border from Mexico. Legal immigrants must be sick of the amount of attention and criticism they are getting from police and other citizens.

    Would they not be looking forward to the state sending back criminals who have given them a bad reputation, taken away jobs not to mention commited many crimes.

  23. emsnews

    See how people resist protections? Some of my readers here claim that their citizenship of a nation is meaningless and they would prefer to be some sort of disorganized mass of ‘residents’ who happen to live somewhere. Europe is being convulsed by the downside of losing control of each nation’s sovereignty.

    The downside of dropping all protections is becoming rather obvious, I would suggest. Chopping up nations into small, hateful ethnic enclaves also is a bad model. The ‘we are all CITIZENS of a nation and we control events via voting, etc’ model launched by the US revolution in 1776 is being destroyed rapidly.

    This is insane. The world’s best model for running things is being destroyed right in front of our eyes and this is entirely due to the fiat floating currency folly and free trade! How stupid is this????

    And the solution is to throw away our protections, our citizenship and just let mobs move freely through our countryside, our markets and our finances? This is the Flat World so beloved of Friedman of the NYT.

  24. emsnews

    ‘Global governance’ is what happens when fools throw away their citizenship rights!!!!

    Worse: China is NOT going to let the G7 bankers run the planet. Not even slightly. As for the OPEC Muslims: HAHAHA, only if they run it will they allow it. The dreams of running an international system controlled by European white males and Zionists is doomed to failure since the Chinese and Muslims won’t allow this at all.

  25. I know its tough but a nations character is ultimately determined by the character of its people. if you are mexican and your country is a mess stay and fight to the death to fix it. You have to have a vision of whats right. That was the role of ideology , faulty though they may have been.

  26. Paul S

    Republicans certainly DO have alot to answer for re immigration, even just among their (shrinking) voter base. I realize most Republican voters get their “news” from Fox Propoaganda (I did)but STILL, some light should shine through eventually. Why aren’t Republicans held to account for their immigration record while they controlled the White House and Congress (for 6 of 8 years)? Of course, Republicans can’t give the REAL reason why they did NOTHING re immigration while in power. That answer would be: “We want to drives wages down in this country so far, the peasants will think a monthly shopping trip to WalMart is a luxury vacation.” When is the non-wealthy Republican voter going to figure this out?

  27. Dibbles

    Excellent post again Elaine. In fact one I am in 100% agreement with.

    You are so correct about the GOP and how it undermines working Americans’ well-being. I used to be a Democrat until the “October Surprise” and Carter’s defeat. But I watched the former party of FDR do an about-face when the DLC went chasing after the same corporate donations while pretending to still represent working Americans’ interests.

    The executive branch is responsible for federal law enforcement and border security. As a left-of-center American, I support Arizona passing legislation to help their state law-enforcement authorities enforce federal laws already in existence. Laws which the federal government refuses to enforce, preferring instead to pander to illegal business practices. Now, rather than promoting Americans’ protection, some Dems peddle victimization. I’m sick of “racial profiling” being used to excuse lawlessness. Arizonans have increasingly been killed in state and national parks, as well as endangered on their own properties near border-crossing areas. Hospitals have had to close due to being overwhelmed with illegals in emergency wards. Legal Arizonans – particularly seniors – have suffered the consequences. The state is in dire financial circumstances. My father lives in Arizona and I pay property taxes there so my opinion matters too, I hope.
    ……

    The Yakima Valley in south-central Washington state had growing crime problems due to illegals in the late ’60s/’70s. I witnessed our own Border Patrol disappear in the ’70’s when Dole (pineapple) developed mega-orchards along the Columbia River. Work that had been done by teenagers (like me in the late ’60s), college students in summer, and seasonal caravan migrants from Texas and Oklahoma was increasingly going to illegals. The town where my mother lives (a few hours from the Canadian border) went from near 0% illegal Mexicans, to 69% in three decades. The area had always been poor, but the orchards were family-owned and an opportunity to work out of poverty existence. Oddly enough, with the agribusiness’ mega-orchards, the produce didn’t end up in our stores. It was shipped over seas. We ended up with prettier, but crappy, bland produce and higher prices.

    Lest I sound “racist” let me mention that I have Mexican-American in-laws (many – they have big families). Some of them have expressed concern over the years for the safety of their selves, homes and communities (particularly in southern California) long before this current brouhaha. Coyote (human traffickers) lawlessness and drug-running posed threats for them before it became a mainstream issue for most Americans.

    Rescind NAFTA -Yes! I’ve seen first-hand the devastation it’s brought to Mexico’s small, sustainable agricultural economies – leading to their need to go North for their own survival. Mexico has a corrupt oligarchic government. The country has vast natural wealth, but is owned and run by a small handful of families. We should be challenging them. Not colluding with them!

    Sorry for such a lengthy response. This is a long-time personal issue for me and my family. The crisis stems from the federal government’s abdication of responsibility to American citizens, in pursuit of empire. No sane person would choose not to protect themselves. Why would a state or sovereign nation?

  28. MikeM

    HAHAHA…as always, there is a simple solution to this!

    Minefields, guard towers with sniper rifles and automatic weapons, agents who shoot to kill. A border is a border is a border.

    I couldn’t agree more that this is not a humanitarian issue, but one of sovereignty. No other nation allows this stupidity.

    And yep…I couldn’t agree more about legalizing drugs. The laws are FAR more harmful than the drugs are.

    Great post, Elaine.

    P.S. Going it alone is an interesting subject. What exactly is alone? A country, a state, a municipality, an individual? A globalist view would be that the planet is alone.

    The majority of human history is vastly different than the last 300 years. A look at not how Rome fell, but how long it took for it to recover, is helpful here, IMO. And look at how long it took to regain much of the lost technology.

    I can go it alone right where I live, just like the native indians did. It’s why I live where I do…I consider it an insurance policy.

    Within two days horseback ride of here, the entire community could be self-sufficient in all ways. Sure, it’d be different.

    HAHAHA…another really really sad truth…where I live is also one of the safest to reside in if (or more likely WHEN) there is a global thermonuclear exchange.

    Or at least until another Cascade volcano blows up! HAHAHAHAHA

  29. MikeM

    I should add:

    In 1992 I lived in Imperial Beach, Ca. for a bit. I used to leave for work at 6am, and when I walked out the front door, it was always silent.

    One morning I walked out, and there was literally a RIVER of what used to commonly be called wetbacks, running down the street I lived on.

    Pun intended.

  30. MikeM go f*&#k yourself.

  31. MikeM

    Coldtype…

    Such an intelligent discourse.

    Was it really worth your bother? You said ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

    DUNCE.

  32. sandy

    not all right wingers hate national ID. i do hate the idea of it, but if using biometrics will stop all of the fraud it will be worth it. i would prefer closing our borders and not harassing our citizens, but that doesn’t seem to be an option with any of our “leaders”.

    i do think it is incredibly hypocritical of the liberals who want illegal immigrants to be protected from having to show ID but then have no problem demanding that american citizens produce ID.

  33. MikeM

    Geez…this is so easy.

    If you employ an illegal, your business is history. It will be auctioned off, to benefit genuine citizens.

    If you are here illegally, you will be deported.

    If you try to recross the border, you will be risking your life.

    It’s simply nothing more than living in a lawful society. Damn, I can’t believe how stupid people are about this.

    WHAT ABOUT THE LAW? EH?

  34. emsnews

    Many years ago, I tried an experiment in 1968 Europe crossing all borders illegally (I was still a ‘child’ and not an ‘adult’ and traveling alone) and what I did was mountain climb, for example, or literally swimming in rivers and YUCK…talk about POLLUTION!!!

    Anyway, I got more and more ambitious and decided to enter East Germany this way. Nearly did it! But failed (was arrested, of course).

    Now, crossing borders for fun is quite different from crossing borders to displace someone from their jobs, for example, and this is what liberals refuse to address when it comes to illegal aliens. You can bet, no illegals are allowed to cross from say, Vietnam, into southern China! Sovereignty is still very much a #1 impulse with quite a few countries, all of which are moving rapidly forwards in the economic power standings.

    So pretending that dropping sovereignty is OK is silly: we have to imitate SUCCESS STORIES not failures. This is why we have to have as good math students as Asia, for example. Or socialized medicine like Germany or Canada, not the expensive and poorly designed system we have here; this is all a competition. Not a joint effort. Even when we are allies, we are very much competitors!

    Only equals can be allies which is why we have to keep a sharp eye on each other: this is a RACE. As for ancient Rome: they kept out ‘aliens’ using all sorts of tools including walls, so did ancient China. And when the governments went bankrupt, the efforts to keep out ‘barbarians’ collapsed spectacularly and these empires were overrun and destroyed.

    Did the citizens of Rome prosper when the barbarians poured into the Roman Empire?

    Nope. The population of the city collapsed from around a million to several thousand and everything was literally destroyed into ruins. And the whole population of the Mediterranean basin collapsed, literally.

    When the Mongols breached the Great Wall of China, they killed more than a quarter of the Chinese people! The slaughter was immense and ruthless. We have to realize, history is not a kind mistress, she is like Mother Nature, red in tooth and claw. We are always in an evolutionary system, survivors must struggle to keep in the running.

  35. isha

    Did the citizens of Rome prosper when the barbarians poured into the Roman Empire?
    ======================

    There were citizens in the republic of Rome and there were only subjects, or fake citizens, in the Rome Empire. Which one were you referring to?

    And which one are you getting at as historical parallel?

    You have a nation or you have a empire, but you can’t have both at the same time.

  36. emsnews

    ALL the people in the Roman empire suffered tremendously as waves of invading barbarians swept through the countryside and destroyed the cities. Slaves and masters, rich and poor: they ALL died or suffered greatly or lost their wealth or were turned into a new form of slavery.

    I come from the bloody bloodlines of the Northern Barbarians. We were very uncivilized as well as cruel.

  37. MikeM

    Barbarians, or righteous conquerors? All coins have two sides.

    Yeah, I know…I’m just havin’ some fun here, so please pardon me.

  38. emsnews

    The northern barbarians were raiders and pirates who brought in their own females and children, etc only after throughly trashing the place. This is why Roman cities went from having fairly modern roads and plumbing to being basically rough hovels and wandering dirt tracks.

  39. MikeM

    Yeah, I know…but the Vikings were labeled as barbarians by history, but in fact they instigated very effective international trade systems, and had great influence on many aspects of society at large, for good reason.

    And they were extraordinarily brutal in their conquests, in a gross understatement.

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    ELAINE: Yes, my ancestors, whenever invading some land, ravaging the women, burning the crops, stealing the church silver, always loved to explain, in between sword strokes, that this was merely a better way to do business negotiations and trade deals. That is, ‘I see, I take’ and ‘I see, I rape’. Very simple. Since few of their victims understood what they were shouting while killing, I suppose this idea that there were negotiations going on may be a tad thin.

  40. DeVaul

    “if you are mexican and your country is a mess stay and fight to the death to fix it.”

    I think this is very true, but hard to enforce. My ancestors came here because of famine. You cannot fight famine, especially when your island country is under blockade.

    Mexicans are not starving, just looking for better wages. They should fight for a better government, but if we are the ones who control their own government, we cannot complain much if they come here. Standing up to their own government means declaring war on our government.

    Just something to think about.

  41. the fool on the hill

    Evolutionary system, well, yeah, but evolving towards what?

    This isn’t ancient Rome, fighting hand to hand. There was a non-violence movement even then.

    There was a non-violence movement breaking out among the Russian aristocracy right before the great cataclysm and the war of anti-independence.

    We are talking about BIG boomers today. At some point there needs to be a serious discussion as to whether the law of violence is an evolutionary dead end. 99 percent of all species that ever existed have gone extinct. Perhaps the so-called ‘ruling elites’ actually embody an evolutionary regression in the form of nurturing and spreading seeds of violence and destruction that, if not eliminated, will eventually grow into the wrath of . . . human extinction, i.e., evolutionary oblivion.

  42. emsnews

    The day I see the Security Council members eliminate all their nuclear arsenals, I will say some sort of peace may be at hand.

  43. MikeM

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA….

    That’s why I always read along here. The real truth is never found in one person’s opinion, but can only be found through a great deal of research, through the widest variety of resources available.

    The open-mindedness to different perspectives of recorded history is the only way to truly understand that history.

    Anyways… I’ve noted that you narrow that search down a great deal in a short period of time, despite our occasional differences of opinion.

    Headin’ back to the ranch about now…tip o’ the hat, Elaine, and thank you.

  44. Steve Murgaski

    A lot of first-rate comments here.

    Elaine: “The day I see the Security Council members eliminate all their nuclear arsenals, I will say some sort of peace may be at hand.”

    I’d like to say `We can’t just wait for it to happen, we have to agitate for it.’ But unfortunately that’s been tried. There were strong disarmament movements after World War I, which obviously didn’t get far. The idea just doesn’t seem possible in our system of competing states.

    But I think The Fool on the Hill is right. Leaving things up to ‘evolution’ isn’t satisfactory either. We evolved minds so that we wouldn’t have to accept things as they are — go on doing it the way it’s always been done.

    Plato pointed out thousands of years ago that we don’t look on wars within a nation (civil wars) as inevitable, so why should international ones be inevitable?

    Is it possible that the benefits of a one-world government would outweigh the drawbacks? Because I’m not convinced that this state system is long-term viable. It just can’t seem to do disarmament.

  45. Avan

    Ive Stopped reading this blog for a while until now, sadly nothing much have changed in your views of the immigrant situation, more precisely the Mexican people.

    The thing you call “protectionist” is as honest as you say, and as good as long as you don’t forget and pleas listen to my words, in order to keep the country you remember. You need to protect everything that made it so great in the first place, not only whatever it fits the agenda of the day, Mexico and its human and nature resources are a huge part of the America’s big success, there’s no way to separate one from another without doing mortal harm to both of them, is a Symbiosis that started since the first illegal aliens invaded America on the Mayflower.

    This country is made day by day, not only by those who wear papers but by both of them, But is always easier to ignore the poorest and weakest, wipe them from history and text books in, sovereignty never existed and protectionist often means by the Spanish word “Patrioterismo”

    I asked you the last time this question, Is really America ready to expel all the paperless Mexicans, at once? Or America is going to do this a see fit?? Firs Arizona then Texas and so on… Im pretty sure Mexico is not ready to have them all back.

    And i have a new question for you.

    Are really Americans ready to become the new Mexicans?

    I like this blog and everything you write so i strongly invite you to write the pros too not just the cons or as you call it “Illegal Immigration Facts”

  46. emsnews

    Of course, the flood of ILLEGAL immigrants is now our problem because they came here to be the slaves who would allow the handful of top managers and elites crush native laborers.

    Now, if we legalize these former slaves, they will become ‘citizens’ and thus, WORTHLESS to the people who employed them and a new wave of illegals…perhaps not from Mexico but say, Vietnam, will flood into jobs and be the new slaves.

    See what this is all about now????

  47. Avan

    And that’s exactly why this kind of debate or controversy only surface every now and then, when its appropriated for some and to calm the rest, but as long as the status Quo remains intact, things will never really change.

    Something that caught my eye the other day was the peoples belief that this only happens on a much bigger scale, when in reality even an average Joe saves money this way, whereas to clean your pool or to watch your children.

    Americans should be asking why do we need the once “Mexican Only” kind of jobs, instead of why they are invading us, ignoring the fact they’ve always been here.

    And that’s part of why mexicans are so successful against all odds and over lets say vietnam imigrants.

    —–

    “It is NOT ‘racism’ to note that there is a flood of illegal aliens pouring in from Mexico and…a horrible number of them are CRIMINALS in other ways, often terrible ways.”

    That’s Rite but if you decide not to mention how many of them where not criminals before, how many were forced to become one and how many Crimes are committed by legal aliens everday against them is what??

  48. emsnews

    Criminals in Mexico commute to the US to commit crimes. They come in the flow of other refugees. They often are the ones MOVING these refugees into the US! They are also running all sorts of contraband.

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