China Strings Pearls While US Kills Terrorists

The Pakistani/Chinese port, Gwadar.

The relations between the US and Pakistan have hit new lows with the presumable midnight SEAL hit on bin Laden.  Some people are guessing that Pakistan’s leadership gave a green light to this CIA hit.  But in public, they are all denouncing the invasion.  Sovereignty is a very big issue in any country.  The US takes sides in various uprisings.  In Pakistan, the US is working to suppress the Pashtun tribes while at the same time, working with India to undermine Pakistan in the west, siding with the Balochi separatists.


All nations have various tribal, ethnic and religious minorities and groups which often agitate for severance.  In today’s elections in the United Kingdom, the SDP, the Scottish national party, has won many seats and they are demanding independence.  Of course, the UK and US want to divide all other countries but not their own.  We shall see if the Scots do get their way in this matter.  Putting the US/UK alliance to the test: what is good for all the Muslim country gooses should also be good for the UK ganders.


The repercussions from this latest imperial overreach by the US will be felt all over Asia.  As I predicted previously, China will be by far the major beneficiary from the bin Laden assassination.  The US will pay for this little ‘U-S-A!’ joy-fest with many years of regret as China gleefully slides between all the US protectorate colonies and allies to wreck our domination of the Persian Gulf.


A military writer working for think tanks (sic) doing studies for the Pentagon and White House have long worried about China forming tight relationships with Pakistan:  String of Pearls: Meeting the Challenge of China’s Rising Power Across the Asian Littoral


Christopher J. Pehrson

July 2006

China’s rising maritime power is encountering American maritime power along the sea lines of communication (SLOCs) that connect China to vital energy resources in the Middle East and Africa. The “String of Pearls” describes the manifestation of China’s rising geopolitical influence through efforts to increase access to ports and airfields, develop special diplomatic relationships, and modernize military forces that extend from the South China Sea through the Strait of Malacca, across the Indian Ocean, and on to the Arabian Gulf.


A question posed by the “String of Pearls” is the uncertainty of whether China’s growing influence is in accordance with Beijing’s stated policy of “peaceful development,” or if China one day will make a bid for regional primacy. This is a complex strategic situation that could determine the future direction of the China’s relationship with the United States, as well as China’s relationship with neighbors throughout the region.


The purpose of this paper is to analyze the “String of Pearls” from within the context of the post-Cold War global security environment and propose informed recommendations for U.S. policy and strategy. Substantive, results-oriented engagement supported by pragmatic military hedging is the best strategy to influence and encourage China to participate in the international community as a responsible stakeholder. Bold leadership and prudent foresight will enable the United States and China to reap the rewards of strategic cooperation and avert the calamity of a hostile confrontation.


Nothing is really ‘pragmatic’…it is all emotional.  Why is that?  Well, if anyone is ‘pragmatic’ it is the Chinese leaders.  They, perhaps, could be compared to cold-eyed dragons with an interest in very specific things and willing to move towards it rather relentlessly.  And the US leaders, needing to be popular, always fall for the short-term, feel-good solutions.


So they are at a distinct disadvantage when playing against the Chinese.  The Muslim world often has emotional reactions to events which means, when emotional Muslims are upset about emotional Americans, we get really nasty stuff going on.  Here is a classic example from today’s news:  Turkish protesters hold symbolic bin Laden funeral | Video |

Turkey is a NATO ally.  When Israel attacked a Turkish ship bringing aid to Gaza, neither Europe nor the US stood up against Israel and neither censored Israel for this act of aggression which happened on the high seas.  The Turks tried very hard to please Europe and America so they could become part of the European Union.  Instead, they were locked out while the break-away province of Armenia was let in.


Since then, Turkey has moved rapidly away from the Western alliance and is open to new alliances from the East.  The US should have gone after Israel for the crimes against both Turkish and the murder of one American citizen that night but didn’t.  Now, we are losing influence in Turkey.


The President of Turkey was nearly assassinated this week by Kurd separatists.  The US supports Kurdish feelings due to hopes this will break apart Iran.  But it is breaking up Turkey, too.  So we lose another Muslim ally.  Nothing would please China more than to have great relations with the owners and controllers of the Golden Horn, the city once the center of civilization, formerly Constantinople now a major Turkish port leading to Russia’s warm water ports!


The string of pearls of Chinese naval power are coming from US clams.  To make pearls, you have to irritate the clams.  Well, the Muslim clams are certainly most irritated these days.  Even ones that depend on us to remain dictators like the Saudi royals, hate us personally.  They would all be rather pleased to have our leaders be assassinated at night, if this could be done.  But if they are using us to leverage power, they cynically do this.  But there is zero love for the US.  Back to the Pentagon report:


America’s Role as Security Guarantor.


As a maritime power, the United States cannot afford to relinquish its role as security guarantor in the “String of Pearls” region or any other area of strategic interest in Asia. The traditional “blue water” navy previously discussed is a major component of America’s contribution to regional security.


The “blue water” navy provides the United States the ability to project power from the sea, as demonstrated by the United States Navy’s offshore bombing and cruise missile strikes conducted during recent combat operations in Afghanistan and Iraq.


Other key components contributing to regional security are the forward presence of U.S. ground and air forces in Japan, South Korea, and Guam. As U.S. forces in Japan and South Korea are decreased due to political considerations, this reduction must continue to be balanced with sufficient military capability at Guam, Diego Garcia, or other locations to enable implementation of U.S. regional strategy.


President Bush, in reference to the transformation of the U.S. military, stated that changes in Northeast Asia have led to a restructuring of U.S. military presence while simultaneously improving our capabilities in the region.141 Since regional naval and air power presence is a crucial enabler for U.S. military credibility, this should also be the U.S. policy in the “String of Pearls” region.


The United States must maintain and enhance its ability to overcome the tyranny of distance in the U.S. Pacific Command (PACOM) region. The continental United States (CONUS)-based global strike capability must remain viable, and the defense transportation system and logistics infrastructure must remain robust enough to support power projection into Asia and the “String of Pearls” region.


The United States also should continue to pursue its theater missile defense programs and extend the umbrella of protection to any state threatened by a rogue actor with ballistic missile capability. Effectively guaranteeing security requires more than raw American military power, it also requires positive relationships with friends and allies to share military burdens and facilitate access for the U.S. military to operate in the region.


And this is exactly what the Navy Seals killed this week.  We got our man and lost our ally.  No President of Pakistan can tolerate this relationship with the US any longer.  So what, if bin Laden got away if someone in the government there warned him of his impending assassination?  The US would have to look unemotionally at the greater issue.  Namely, what the hell do we want from Pakistan?  Bin Laden’s head?  Or a tight alliance?

The Chinese are pulling ahead rapidly in Pakistan.  They gave up courting India long ago and now are siding more and more with Pakistan when it comes to Kashmir’s totally fragmentary and poorly defined borders.  Also, for the last 30 years, China has been industriously building one of the highest elevation highways through the Kyber Pass.  The legendary pass where imperial armies were systematically destroyed.


Well, the Chinese did this!  How many people did they slaughter?  They didn’t.  They were invited in and they died, around 500, building this dangerous road.  But now there is a continuance of the road all the way to the brand-new Chinese major deep sea port right at the mouth of the Persian Gulf!  This drives the Pentagon totally crazy.


This port is fortuitously placed to leverage naval power for China!  The road connecting the port directly with China’s back door is a very powerful geopolitical move, a strategic asset that expands China’s powers ten fold:  Gwadar port – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Gwadar Port is a developing warm-water, deep-sea port situated at Gwadar inBalochistan province of Pakistan at the apex of the Arabian Sea and at the entrance of the Persian Gulf, about 460 km west of Karachi and approximately 75 km (47 mi) east of Pakistan’s border with Iran. The port is located on the eastern bay of a natural hammerhead-shaped peninsula jutting out into the Arabian Sea from the coastline….


Port of Singapore was scheduled to take over management of Gwadar Port by the end of January 2007. Port of Singapore was the highest bidder for the Gwadar port after DP World backed out of the bidding process. Originally, the chairman of Dubai Ports WorldSultan Ahmed bin Sulayem, who met Pakistani president General Pervez Musharraf on May 5, 2006, expressed a strong hope for management of facilities at the strategic Gwadar deep sea port and development of infrastructure in the southern port city and elsewhere in Pakistan. But a decision was taken not to bid, after India’s National Security Council voiced concerns about DP World’s ventures in India, alongside its plans in Pakistan, and Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem assured the Indians their pull-out was well considered and India need not have any security concerns. The port will now be in competition with that of Dubai in the United Arab Emirates.§

HAHAHA…India nixed the Dubai Port bid!  So it went to India’s powerful rival, China.  No doubt, the Indians are tearing their hair out over this.  Do note that the US isn’t bidding on any ports, hardly anywhere on earth.  Why is this?  HAHAHA…again: we have no more merchant marine left.
NO naval power lasts much longer once they kill off their own merchant marine.  The US runs military ports in order to protect other nation’s shipping which we have zero benefits from, none what so ever, at all.  These ships all come to the US to deep six our own industries here at home and did a wonderful job of it.  This expensive naval and air support of many major ports costs us a fortune and all they do is make our trade deficits worse.
China doesn’t have to patrol the Seven Seas.  We protect China’s merchant marine for them!  They don’t mind this.  They just want to patrol China’s waters and now, thanks to the road and the port, Pakistan’s waters are now directly connected to China so…China will patrol this port while doing so along with building up Pakistan’s navy!  Another thing that is causing the Indians to kick themselves in the rear.

The Chinese play Go (game) – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Placing stones close together usually helps them support each other and avoid capture; on the other hand, placing stones far apart creates influence across more of the board. Part of the strategic difficulty of the game stems from finding a balance between such conflicting interests. Players strive to serve both defensive and offensive purposes and choose between tactical urgency and strategic plans. At its basis, the game is one of simple logic, while in advanced play the game involves complex heuristics and tactical analysis.


Go is both easy to play and difficult to play depending on how skilled the players.  At the top levels which is where Chinese, Korean and Japanese pros play this game, it is very intense and quite difficult.  No computer can play this game and win.  Unlike the simpler game of chess where computers now can beat even top chess masters.


The trick of this game is to not use lots of stones to hold territories!  The hidden rules of the game is simple: the more stones you need to prevent someone from taking territory from you, the more points you lose when the EMPTY areas are counted at the end of the game!  The empty areas represent space a player controls without actually occupying.


The chess-playing West misunderstands Chinese tactics and strategies since we don’t think like Go champions but like chess champions: the winner kills or eliminates or captures various players and then controls space via fairly violent means.  The Chinese method is to infuse oneself into a territory and be an envelope, a fulcrum point of control.


China has been playing a very tight game not just with the bumblers in the US but against a fellow Asian power, India.  India has gotten very hubristic due to the US courting India and India getting to run a trade surplus with the US, making them stronger and the US weaker.  The problem here is, a weak US is also supposed to militarily support and protect India!


This is the exact same problem South Korea and Japan face: every action they take kills the US economy and makes themselves richer but it also destroys US naval and air dominance in Asia and is sickening and weakening the US economy that pays nearly 100% of the overhead costs of protecting Japanese and South Korean shipping!  China  not only doesn’t care if trade with the US is killing the US, they WANT this to happen!


But why are China’s rivals all doing this?  HAHAHA…humans are strange, aren’t they?  The temptation to tear up and devour the US economy is irresistible.  They can’t stop themselves!  So they do it anyway, even as China grins ear to ear, showing a hefty set of very sharp fangs and a very dragon-style memory of all past grievances.


Here is another example of India pushing the wrong people the wrong way leading to them choosing China:  China’s Sri Lanka port raises concern –


China’s construction of a port in Sri Lanka and a Chinese admiral’s suggestion Beijing build a naval base in the Gulf of Aden has raised fears in the Middle East that a confrontation between China and India is looming along vital energy export routes.


Both the Asian titans, whose economies continue to expand despite the global financial meltdown, are heavily dependent on Middle Eastern oil and will become more so as supplies dwindle.


The Indians are building their naval forces across these vital shipping lanes through which some 85 percent of China’s oil supplies pass along with raw materials from Africa.


If there is one country with as bad relations with Muslims as Israel’s Jews, it is the Hindu governments of India!  They have no way of controlling or appearing as friends to any of the people in their neighborhood!  The only way they can beat the Chinese at this game is to have a communist revolution which would then cut all the religious ties to the government.


There are excellent reasons why a secular government is a great idea.  This separation of religion and state was probably one of the best ideas our Founding Fathers had.  The Chinese can play along with any religion on earth since they are of no religion.


Due to ethnic/religious warfare, Tensions rise between Sri Lanka and India ahead of June 2010 meeting, for example.  This is why China will wipe India’s ass in any international ‘Go’ power game.  India, by joining with the US, the other country most hated by most Muslims on the street, is not gaining power but losing the game.


And so are we!  Iraq and China Sign $3 Billion Oil Contract  while China reaps benefits of Iraq war with oil deals and not only in the Middle East but in South America as China will build trans-oceanic rail link through Colombia.


Here is yet another story about the Chinese Activity in Balochistan, Pakistan.  Remember: the US wants the people there to revolt against the Iranians so they also end up revolting against the Pakistani government which drives Pakistan into siding with Iran in these fights!  Just as US support of Kurds to the north do the same between Turkey and Iran.


The Nawaz Sharif Government cancelled the contract signed by the Benazir Government with an Omani firm in 1995 for the construction of the deep-water Gwadar port and, instead, awarded the contract to the US-based Forbes and Company, which was to not only construct the port, but also run it after the construction.  However, the project remained a non-starter due to the post-Chagai economic sanctions.


During their separate visits to Beijing last year, Gen. Musharraf and Mr.Shaukat Aziz, the Finance Minister, had urged the Chinese to assist Islamabad in the construction of this project and reportedly promised, in return, berthing facilities for the Chinese Navy not only in Gwadar, but also in Ormara and also facilities for a Chinese monitoring station on the Mekran Coast of Balochistan to intercept the communications of the US military bases in the Gulf.


In response to this, a Chinese delegation led by the then Chinese Minister for Communications, Hu Xijie, visited Pakistan for preliminary discussions in November last. During his stay, he offered an oil tanker to the Pakistan National Shipping Corporation (PNSC) and reviewed the working of several Chinese construction companies, which were already engaged in completing highway projects in Pakistan such as the Indus Highway, the Chablat-Nowshera Highway and the Karachi Northern Bypass.  There was also discussion with the Pakistani authorities on Chinese assistance for the Mekran coastal highway project.


Now, did killing bin Laden help us stop the Chinese from gaining most of Pakistan’s ports?  Did this enable us to stop Pakistan from letting the Chinese set up spy facilities there so they can monitor all shipping and all US communications, etc?  Of course not!  It did the exact opposite!  This means, as a strategic event, the murder of bin Laden while not letting the Pakistanis know we were doing this, is a total failure, a disaster.

During our War on Terror which mainly involved killing angry Muslim peasants, in 2004:  Pakistan, China to set up free trade area  and in 2010:  China, Pakistan strengthen trade ties  with nearly $20 billion in trade activity.  So that by 2011:  Pakistan, China to sign fresh trade agreements, another $10 billion in new business for this year.  China’s ties grew stronger and better while we frayed our ties to the breaking point!


Just before the bin Laden move, there were Moves to ease tensions between two countries: India, Pakistan agree to enhance trade –


It was the first such meeting since the 2008 Mumbai attacks in which 10 Islamist gunmen killed 166 people, but stopped short of resulting in any concrete policy other than to meet again in New Delhi in September….The working group will discuss a cross-border pipeline and will address the route and funding should Pakistan import electricity from across the border, Pakistani commerce secretary Zafar Mahmood told reporters.

India has granted Pakistan the status of “most favoured nation” and in the statement, Pakistan “recognised” that granting equal status to India would help to expand trade relations.

Trade between the neighbours is around $2 billion each year.


China, to the north, using a port and one highway, had more than twenty times the trade India has with Pakistan!  This is a total catastrophe for India which couldn’t increase trade with this meeting last month and won’t in the future, due entirely to religious warfare reasons.  Eventually, the Pakistanis know that China will solve their energy difficulties, too.
They also know, India won’t.  If they use Indian energy, the Indians would cut it off here and there to control diplomacy and there are still no Kashmir borders but between China and Pakistan, they had finalized the borders they share just this last year!  I called it a significant event and it most certainly is.


Here are some videos about the Karakoram Highway:

YouTube – The Karakoram Highway – 52min. documentary

YouTube – Up the Khyber Pass – Pakistan

From 2001:  YouTube – Fundamentalist majority – Pakistan

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24 responses to “China Strings Pearls While US Kills Terrorists

  1. ooachie

    Without invitation to fly a military unit into a country and kill is amazing. Is this type of prosecution without evidence now happening internally in the USA. Is this now the norm?

  2. reader

    the conservative rule of scotland is untenable, the tories are dead in scotland because of thatcher, the tory government has no mandate there.

    what is your read on another attack coming soon? alex jones is telling people to call the white house to warn them off anther false flag, and by coincidence i was reading your archives where you state al qaeda rest for 10 years between attacks.

  3. Alex Yam

    Elaine’s “Go” analogy is spot on. Only someone with deep understanding of Chinese mentality can write something like this. When the Chinese want something they like to “consume” the whole thing undamaged instead of ripping it apart piece by piece and break it in the process.

    Chinese don’t think in terms of single battles, we think about how to win a hundred wars at the same time, therefore long term sustainability is always the top priority in every move we make, the highest achievement for us is not to win any single war with blood but to win a hundred wars without a single battle, this is explained right in the beginning of chapter 3 (Chapter of strategies) in Sun Tzu’s “Art of War”.

    When you know this then you’d know why the Chinese consider India a much bigger threat than the unsustainable west because we know one day the Indians will have lots and lots of options, for a long long time.

  4. emsnews

    India’s problem is, there was no ‘Mao’ era to wipe out the past’s bad stuff. Instead, India is much more like say, Iran, than China. Iran has religious wars internally as well as externally.

    The US once was like China but has fallen away from secularism and into religious wars that seem unending.

  5. Alex Yam

    Indians believe in happiness and pleasure instead of survival (China style) or achievement (US style).

    They have very bright people but when your endgame believe is pleasure you won’t take things too seriously, it is in their culture to believe things will be perfect in the last minute without focusing on the details in between.

    So right now we are somewhat at peace knowing India as a whole is still lazy and enjoying themselves. But you never know what can happen in a decade or two so we’ll be keeping a close eye on them.

    The US certainly have the drive to be winners, but we don’t understand why they are willing to be controlled by another, when you’re not in control of yourself no matter how good you are everything will fall apart in the end.

    The new generation of Americans are grown up watching torture and broken body parts on TV with the bible somewhere in between, they will be numbed down and won’t react towards killings, so yes, these pointless religion wars aren’t going to end in the foreseeable future, the US can fight 10 more pointless wars and they are not going to say a word.

  6. melponeme_k

    You can learn a lot from popular culture as well. Especially film. There was more to our art before it became corrupted.

    I said before, that we, the US, is akin to the beautiful empress portrayed in “The Curse of the Golden Flower”. Our elites are willingly drinking poison because they think that they will find the solution to victory at the 11th hour. Meanwhile I also see that hit film “Hero” as part of our destiny too. But instead of one land, there will be one world. United under the principles of the Dragon. Their greatest act will be to totally change the world and negate the possibility of WW3. Stringing pearls indeed. More like they are creating an alchemical harmony of the spheres. Meanwhile our elites are rolling around naked in caves and playing with skulls.

  7. Steve Murgaski

    Gandhi wanted to build India’s economy and break the dependency that the British had spent centuries cultivating there. Now, in India, you can go to a museum and see things like the slippers worn by Gandhi, preserved for posterity. But the economy is still heavily dependent on things like call centers, that produce nothing.

    It would be an interesting project to compare Gandhi’s efforts at independence to Mao’s. But the comparison might not reveal uplifting things about our species.

  8. DeVaul

    @Alex Yam,

    That was a very interesting analysis of the different styles of, I guess you might say, the “major players”.

    What does China plan to do about dwindling fossil fuel resources, or is this something they do not believe will happen?

    Building highways, naval bases, fleets, and other fossil fuel consuming infrastructure does not seem like a winning gameplan in the long term, at least not to me. Is China using the income from these foreign projects to retool at home for a solar powered, low energy type future while simultaneously intending to abandon the foreign projects when they are no longer sustainable?

    Meanwhile, here in the US, we are being told that bin Laden wanted to “cripple” our rail system. That’s like saying he wanted to sink our merchant marine. I guess he didn’t get out much these past ten years.

  9. emsnews

    China understands the Hubbert Oil Peak quite perfectly. And guess who manufactures, by far, the most solar panels? China. And they didn’t begin last year, they took to solar energy way, way back when China, after ridding themselves of Madame Mao, asked my dad to come over and help them get started, before 1980, even.

  10. DeVaul

    I understand that, but how far along are they towards the transition to solar power?

    Their current actions indicate that they plan their own “oil grab” in the future, and that they are preparing to do it by military means if all else fails.

    Building highways in Pakistan is one thing. These can be abandoned and left for someone else to worry about, but doing the same thing inside China will have a most unpleasant outcome — just as it will here.

    In short, there is no real future for these things.

  11. Alex Yam


    The fossil fuel mechanism is by nature unsustainable, running out of natural resources is a big problem shared by the entire planet. So the same question can be asked to any country, for example the US produce less but waste as much resources as we do, what are the plans for the future for the US?

    We’re not afraid of overnight massive changes, so when options run out we can build a billion solar panels within a month. We’ve already done the same with wind turbines, we over produced so now they just sit on the floor doing nothing, the incentive to use them simply isn’t there yet.

    Going back to natural resource, it’s a problem shared by the entire world, either you’re using it, or selling it:

    Australia signs huge China coal deal

    China to spend $6 billion to double coal purchases from Russia to more than 20 million tons a year by 2016

    AUS to supply China with huge LNG deal signed for 20Y

    How Australia Sells Itself to China

    China in huge Venezuela oil deal

    Goldman Sachs: Rare earths no longer rare by 2013

    China’s largest wind turbine maker, has replaced General Electric Co (GE) as the world’s second largest such company. In 2010, China had 18.9 gW wind turbines installed, up 37.1 percent than 2009. The cumulative installed capacity totaled at 44.7 gW.

    People around the world seem to think we’ve always been the “factory” and will be stuck doing the same things forever, but in fact it’s just a phase we must go through to reach the next step.

    Anyway, at some point the entire planet will be wrecked by the human race and we’ll be forced to break down sand and use them to rebuild everything from the nano scale. But at this moment the rest of the world is running on oil and fake money so we’ll just play along for now.

  12. emsnews

    There are futures for roads. I had a horse and carriage and Sparky pulled this along real roads. No roads! The Romans had no cars but they most certainly had roads and the military built roads as they marched. Roads were extremely important back then. And will be in any visible future.

  13. Alex Yam

    (This is my third time posting this, first two didn’t show up, maybe it’s the spam filter, I’ve now removed all the http:// in the links and trying again)


    The fossil fuel mechanism is by nature unsustainable, running out of natural resources is a big problem shared by the entire planet. So the same question can be asked to any country, for example the US produce less but waste as much resources as we do, what are the plans for the future for the US?

    We’re not afraid of overnight massive changes, when options run out we can build a billion solar panels within a month. We’ve already done the same with wind turbines, we over produced so now they just sit on the floor doing nothing, the incentive to use them simply isn’t there yet.

    Going back to natural resource, it’s a problem shared by the entire world, either you’re using it, or selling it:


    Australia signs huge China coal deal:

    China to spend $6 billion to double coal purchases from Russia to more than 20 million tons a year by 2016

    AUS to supply China with huge LNG deal signed for 20Y:

    How Australia Sells Itself to China:

    China in huge Venezuela oil deal:

    Goldman Sachs: Rare earths no longer rare by 2013:

    China’s largest wind turbine maker, has replaced General Electric Co (GE) as the world’s second largest such company. In 2010, China had 18.9 gW wind turbines installed, up 37.1 percent than 2009. The cumulative installed capacity totaled at 44.7 gW.


    People around the world seem to think we’ve always been the “factory” and will be stuck doing the same things forever, but in fact it’s just a phase we must go through to reach the next step.

    Anyway, at some point the entire planet will be wrecked by the human race and we’ll be forced to break down sand and use them to rebuild everything from the nano scale. But at this moment the world is running on oil and fake money so we’ll just play along for now.

  14. DeVaul

    Hmmm… ok, so it appears that China has no real plan, which is the same as the US. By the way, I hope I did not imply we had a plan, because we most certainly do not. I just assumed that since China had a 50 year plan, it would take into account Peak Oil, so I was interested in what that part of the plan was for China.

    It seems that you are saying that China can mass produce solar panels with the flip of a switch. If so, then they are well positioned compared to the rest of us. These still need to be installed and transported to every destination, so…

    Anyway, I don’t really believe a 50 year plan will succeed as it requires too much centralized control of too many people to actually work out as planned. I guess no nation intends to really plan for peak oil or peak anything except for those who rule. They will be taken care of, the rest — sent off to die.

  15. Steve Murgaski

    DeVaul, it’s important to remember that we are not powerless. You may be right that the people officially in charge of us all haven’t made any plan for our long-term survival. Elaine may be right that poor Americans have consumed so much sugar and fat that they aren’t a force to be recconed with anymore. Still, my hand clenches into a fist whenever I wish it to, and not when anybody else wishes it to. Every one of us can make the statement that God reportedly made to Moses: “I am that which I am”. It isn’t as small a thing as it sometimes seems.

  16. Alex Yam


    What you really want to say is China is as powerless as the US because nobody can control everything. But who can fight against the law of nature?

    Our “power” doesn’t lie in a crystal ball, but in extreme adaptability.

    There are two types of plans, one is where every step is calculated and followed to the letter, which requires complete control of every single variable, this works well for small projects, but for huge projects within a chaotic environment these plans are worse than useless. These are the type of plans the Japanese use, you can see this clearly from Japanese’s past wars, financial strategy and everyday lives, if their trains are late by 15 seconds their people get really angry and start complaining because their reality is made up of small steps that are to be followed exactly, they plan everything down to the letter and when ‘accidents’ happen they either completely freeze or keep continuing the path of failure, some call it kamikaze but we call it stupidity.

    The other type of plan is made up of big and small milestones, which are to be reached regardless of method used. Say you want to get from point A to point B, once you know your destination you can go by walking, driving, taxi, bus, etc, the exact method isn’t part of the plan but the destination is and you use the best options available. If I ask you “What happens when the car breaks down halfway?” and you say “I’ll take the train.”, do you still have a plan? You can argue the train should be included in the plan the first place but in our chaotic world the roads and resource are always changing, if you plan everything down to the smallest detail in such chaotic environment you’ll end up with a plan so huge it’ll take longer to write it and read it than to actually work it.

    And this goes back to what Elaine was saying, computers can beat human in chess because the environment is simple and stable, computers can’t beat human in “Go” because it’s much more complex and chaotic, it’s going to take orders of magnitude of today’s computer power to beat human in “Go”. The west thinks like particles but the east thinks like waves, this is certainty vs. uncertainty, special relativity vs. quantum mechanics. The “scientific”, exact and step by step thinking of the west allowed it to excel under the umbrella of relativity, but mark my words the east will be the ones who dominate quantum mechanics. And when the world adapts to quantum mechanics, the world will think the way the Chinese have always been thinking – circles instead of points, grey areas instead of black and white, leave options open as long as possible, finalize at the end instead of the beginning, etc.

    I am sure your government or any other ‘big player’ government has think tanks full of geniuses that write plans after plans covering every scenario they can think of. But when a government is controlled by an outside group with a different interest then all those plans are useless because only the best plan for the controlling group will be followed.

    And when I say China can mass produce solar panels what I am saying is the Chinese is the polar opposite of the Japanese – we are extremely adaptable to unknown and changing environments. Whatever you throw at us we’ll adapt to it even if it require massive overnight changes. For example if we need to build a huge dam and flood a few big cities along the way, instead of “planning”, yapping about human rights and dealing with lawyers, we simply ask people to adapt(move out of the way) before we get there. So when we run out of oil, when we need solar panels or wind turbines or whatever built, they will be built, transported, installed, connected and run across the entire country in record time, any idiot who gets in the way will be executed.

    When the world is chaotic and your entire population is adaptable like water, you don’t rely on exact long term plans, when Chinese say “50 year plan” it means they have certain milestones that must be reached within 50 years, regardless of what nature throws at them.

    The less adaptable you are, the more planning you require. We don’t rely on exact long term plans like the Japanese because they don’t work in the real world. We are more worried about India than the west because we are adaptable like water and we consider India a potential dam in the future.

  17. floridasandy

    i think the US has designed to ally itself with india over pakistan and needs a “reason” to do so.

  18. DeVaul

    Thanks for that very interesting commentary, Alex. I appreciate the time you take to give us a different perspective from where you live and were raised.

    I understand what you are saying.

    I have another question for you. You have said several times that China is “worried” about India. Can you explain why? Is it because it is so near or because it has a huge population or what?

    Do the Chinese fear a military invasion or an economic invasion from India?

    Thanks again for answering my questions.

  19. emsnews

    China and India have unresolved border problems. No treaties rectifying this. Nor does India even try to do this. China wants very much to have formal border treaties. Not India.

    This is because of Pakistan. The borders with Pakistan are even more vaporous than with China. India is constantly on the verge of war with both countries.

  20. Alex Yam


    You’re very welcome. About India, on top of the military reasons Elaine explained, there are also economic reasons, India can do a lot of what China did in the last two decades if their people work hard enough. If India gains as much economic power as China, they can become our road block by making better offers to people we want to do business with every step of the way, during which the western world will also be happy to provide support and pull strings for India (that is if they ever get tired of ripping the Indians off).

    But then again, Indians are happy people, their movies are often 3 hours long with at over 1.5 hour of everyone dancing(who the hell can stand that?), their core believe is to relax and have fun, they want to enjoy life and don’t have a hardcore working culture like we do.

    These are probably the only words I’ll ever quote from the traitor Dalai Lama:
    “As a critic, I feel sometimes people in India are lazy. You should work hard. Look at the Chinese, they work very hard”

    Dalai Lama calls Indians lazy

    India must change, give up lazy attitude: Dalai Lama

  21. DeVaul

    That’s hilarious! You may be right, though.

    I had a very good friend in West Germany who was from Calcutta. He seemed to be even more laid back than I was (I grew up in the South here in the US — different culture). I was chronically late, but even I was not prepared for how late Indians would be.

    Ashish Shah (his name) had invited me to a party attended by mostly non-Germans. He said “about” 7:00 pm as the starting time. I walked for an hour to get there at 7:15 pm only to find no one there. He later admitted that in India, parties usually don’t get started until about 2 hours after the “official” start time, and he thought I knew this. He had a huge laugh over it.

    He walked very slowly too, but then my wife (who is Thai) also walks very slowly. I walk slowly, but I still find it unusual that I can outwalk my wife when I am, in fact, physically disabled. My wife hates tardiness, and has let me know this, which I find strange given the culture I saw in Bangkok. Perhaps that is one reason why she would not marry a Thai man.

    The Germans marched along at a brisk pace, never veering from their destination. I would often wave at German friends who I saw across the street (considered polite in the south), but this seemed to embarass them and they would either pretend not to see me or acknowledge my wave with a curt nod or hand movement cleverly hidden from others.

    After I realized this embarassed them in public, I started doing it even more and even yelling their names out. Later, they would seek revenge during a game of darts or cards or just attack me in the lounge for a quick wrestling match.

    I like learning about different cultures. My fear is that some day all cultures will be the same.


    ELAINE: I am half German and always on time. All Germans are psychotic about being on time. We get very, very, VERY irritated if people are late. Trains run on time. Planes fly on time. School is on time. If a teacher is 10 minutes late, we could exit the classroom to punish the laggard teacher and so on.

    I like this! It comes naturally and one develops an inborn clock by being on time! It is pure psychology: if you are aware of time passing, you will find it easy to be on time, one feeds the other.

    People who are habitually late make all sorts of cultural excuses. This flows into business which irritates people who operate on the German ‘be on time’ mental model.

  22. Dupree

    My fear is that some day all cultures will be the same.

    Anyplace,USA is already takinh hold in the South. That “sense of place” is rapidly dying out. Ole Miss has even “outlawed” the playing of Dixie at football games.Sad.

  23. Alex Yam


    Yeah the Germans are hardcore as well, highly skilled, focused and disciplined, they take things very seriously and they think big.

    By the way, just saw this piece of news about India:

    India to pay for Iranian crude oil in rupee

    Someone’s getting naughty.

  24. Rider I

    I think the Communist are creating Terrorist to keep the USA from compete ting in economics.

    Rider I

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