Ice Cold Canada Leaves Kyoto Accords For Sensible Reasons

My home encased in ice and snow this last week.

At this point in time, I consider the Kyoto Accords to be worthless.  They had no chance of reducing actual CO2 because they didn’t propose solutions to what is the real problem: over population in the warmer parts of the planet.  The practical action of the global warming program was simple: heavy taxes on people living in cold climates and a transfer of funds to hot places where the cutting down of rain forests is worsening year by year due to population pressure.  Instead of taxing people in hot places to fix a problem that would affect them the most, it went after people living in semi-Ice Age conditions.

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All I would get from the regulations being enforced would be to have much higher costs or massive, intrusive restrictions on heating my home.  Since the goal is to make the north even colder than now, I would be forced to emigrate and lose my property since I would not be able to stay alive under these severe restrictions or high overhead costs.  Indeed, I am not against keeping the world artificially cold, I would happily have the rest of the people living in warm, pleasant conditions, pay me to install solar panels or thermal heating.

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But the plan was not only to force me to do this but to tax me heavily while I struggle to afford to do this!  An insane idea from the get-go.  On top of this, the Kyoto Accords didn’t have a provision paying me for hosting an army of lovely hardwood trees that love CO2 and would like to have more, not less.  I am an oxygen producer, not a CO2 producer, overall.  Yet, I see not one penny in my pocket for providing this service.  On the contrary, my forest is taxed to the tune of $500 a year.  I want to be paid!

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Even as everyone on earth seems to be most anxious to move to the coast as close to the ocean as humanly possible or move to warm and warmer zones, the people struggling against the howling, freezing winds of winter are finally figuring out, the Kyoto Accords are actually a tax imposed on us all to fund fun in the sun in the southern climates and to enable all those people living on the ocean’s edge, a happy life at our cold expense:  Canada: First out of a sinking Kyoto ship? – CNN.com

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“Every car, truck, ATV, tractor, ambulance, police car,” he elaborated in a media briefing, before giving another equally unpalatable option of closing down the country’s entire farming and agricultural sector and cutting heat to every home, building and factory.

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If the country failed to do so, Kent said taxpayers would have to give $14 billion to other countries “with no impact on emissions or the environment.”

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Stopping air pollution is a good thing.  Acid rain is bad.  Very bad.  I love alternative energy systems and hope some day to be able to afford to have solar panels on my home.  I want this now but can’t afford it.  The higher costs of fossil fuels, the less money I have to pay for installing solar panels.  So, raising the cost of energy only made me poorer, it did absolutely nothing towards saving me from winter and conserving energy.

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Most people in the colder climes ended up being colder and more miserable thanks to a decade of rapidly rising energy costs.  My little village of Berlin, NY, is dying due to people fleeing due to high gasoline and heating costs.  Increasingly, the hard core that remains here are those of us like myself, who have forests and can cut deadwood up for firewood.  We pray for warm winters at this point.  If it were as warm as say, North Carolina, I would be quite pleased, to be frank.

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The southern latitudes have to be forced into a harsh regime of ‘one child only’ families a la China and a perpetual tax on them to compensate the Ice Age belt for being miserably cold half of the year.  The people living in places that will be too hot or the ocean too high must be the ones who pay the costs for maintaining the recent sub-Ice Age conditions which are considerably colder than 90% of the earth’s history except for one dire era nearly a billion years ago when the entire planet froze.  Grrrrr.

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We could easily accidentally slide into another Ice Age.  There is serious talk with scientists of reducing the warmth of the earth to the level it was at 250 years ago which was called ‘The Little Ice Age’.  A scary proposition which I greatly resent.  The human die-off of an Ice Age would be 1,000 times more hideous than a warm climate condition!  We evolved rapidly from being apes to being human due to the vicious conditions of the Ice Ages which turned us into the efficient killing machines we are today.  We changed from being rambling eaters of plants and fruits to meat eating murderous creatures.  It was do that or die.

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No sooner than I published my story today when this came up at the Huffington Post.  It shows clearly how bizarre the media reportage of the weather has become.  At least, it admits that winter is much more dangerous than summer:  Winter Health Risks Post-50s Should Avoid

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On the heels of 2011’s record-breaking summer heat wave that saw oppressive temperatures and stifling humidity grip cities as far-flung as Wichita, Kansas (23 heat-related deaths reported) and Tokyo, Japan (35 heat-related deaths reported), anticipation across the U.S. for winter’s sweet relief is palpable.

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But demographically speaking, cold is a far bigger killer than heat. Although cancer (No. 2 on the list of leading causes of death in the United States) knows no season, the body’s reaction to cold — particularly among older men, the most susceptible to climatic change — can increase the chances of blood clotting, which in turn leads to higher incidences of death from heart attacks and strokes (Nos. 1 and 3 on the list).

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Similarly, the cold facilitates the transmission of respiratory diseases and ensures that they’re more severe than strains contracted at other times of the year. And winter always arrives with its own set of natural obstacles in tow, including hazardous snowstorms, downed power lines and dangerously strong winds.

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Viewing winter as a ‘sweet relief’ is true only in temperate, barely cold areas.  Up here in Ice Age northern climes, we fear winter and go to great efforts to prepare for winter.  I spent some of the hot days in August, up in the woods cutting up downed trees and making firewood.  This is how I hurt my ankle nearly totally and fatally (if there wasn’t modern medical care, I would be crippled for the rest of my life).  While people in the warm parts of the planet were fanning themselves and sipping cool drinks, I was sweating up in the high forest, trying desperately to generate at least 4 cords of firewood.

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If I fail to do this, I will literally freeze to death.  So I am motivated to work while others goof off due to no winters.  But we don’t look forwards to winter as a fun time except we manage to make it fun for ourselves, which is exactly why we have all these medieval winter feasts and celebrations!  Xmas is all about a pagan defiance of Old Man Winter.  We don’t look forwards to winter, we plan for winter.  We certainly DO look forwards to spring and the hopes of a warm, productive summer.

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Here is yet another article about the fears of change and how great an impact humans have on the environment:  Is it time to embrace environmental change? – Salon.com

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In 2000 Eugene Stoermer, an ecologist, and Paul Crutzen, a Nobel Prize-winning atmospheric chemist, proposed that human agency has so transformed the Earth’s ecosystem that we are living in a new geological epoch: the Anthropocene, or the Human Age. Proponents of the Anthropocene concept disagree about when the era began. Was it with the industrial revolution, which began to release great quantities of pollutants and gases including greenhouse gases into the atmosphere? Was it earlier, when agrarian societies cleared vast tracts of wilderness for farms and pasture? Or was it earlier still, at the end of the last Ice Age, when, according to the “Pleistocene overkill” hypothesis, hunter-gatherers drove large animals including mammoths, mastodons and giant ground sloths to extinction in both the Old World and the New?

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What killed off many Ice Age giant mammals was two things: global warming coupled with human hunting.  The human/dog relationship grew up rapidly when game became increasingly harder to hunt as the once-cold, solid ground turned into swamps and mush.

This is from a rock painting in southern France made around 16,000 years ago.  The hunters are chasing many different animals. namely cattle that look like they escaped from a modern bull ring and lots and lots of lambs and goats and a few deer.  Note who is herding the sheep in a line towards the Great Hunter?  Why, it looks like a German shepherd!  Yes, it is an early dog.  The sheep run from the dog into the arrows of the hunters!

Yes, we had a huge impact on nature and when joined up with dogs, we could hunt more efficiently and the dogs guarded our encampments and the poor Neanderthals and others who had no dogs couldn’t keep alert enough to fight off invasions of their encampments whereas they couldn’t steal up to homo sapien camps.  Human also learned how to use fire and used this for even longer than dogs and this very much changed the environment.

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We are the dominant species on earth and if people want to live in a Garden of Eden, then birth controls are necessary.  But most of the religions on earth are dead set against this because the easiest way to grow is to have a captive audience of children who are raised to worship various gods and things.  So the major religions fight birth restrictions tooth and nail.  And since many people living in dire conditions insist on having more children, they have to pay the price for this abundance.  Not people who already have restricted their birthing who happen to live in northern climates.

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The north is seeing a catastrophic drop in birth rates.  Southern refugees from the overpopulation mess down there move to the north looking for jobs and public benefits.  But the natives are cutting back on births and already are well ahead of planetary population drops.  Since humans impact nature so severely, cutting back on births is the least violent, most sensible way of dealing with global warming.  Taxing cold countries with falling populations is utterly backwards.

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46 responses to “Ice Cold Canada Leaves Kyoto Accords For Sensible Reasons

  1. melponeme_k

    The US was once the prime supporter of funding birth control and women’s health services to many countries.

    Now that religious fundamentalists drive the policies of our country that is gone. The drive for many religions is for over procreation and making many holy soldiers.

    So we have environmentalists wanting to kill off people in the North and religious crazies telling Southern people to have as many large families as possible.

    All roads seem to be leading to war now.

  2. emsnews

    Most likely. But despite 20 million+ people dying during WWII, this didn’t cause even a barest pause in population growth during the Cold War and today.

  3. Urban Roman

    If only y’all could prevent those southerners from voting, … hey, the North could secede! (ha)

    Elaine, I hope you have a dog curled up by the wood stove in that cute little house. It will warm your house in more ways than one.

  4. Russia alone lost over 20 million people during WWII. It is estimated over 60 million+ people lost their lives during the war world wide. The US lost less than 500,000 thousand.

  5. Alex Yam

    Hey Elaine I just noticed in the photo one side of the house is completely covered with glass doors and windows, is it difficult keeping warm in winters?

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    ELAINE: All the windows face the south and are narrow exterior rooms that heat up when the sun is out and thus, heat the entire house. This is my own passive solar heating system. One a sunny day below zero, these rooms get to be over 80 degrees.

  6. mistah charley, ph.d.

    it is clear that restriction of carbon dioxide output will NOT be achieved by governmental action – what will be will be with respect to climate change – if catton’s books “overshoot” and “bottleneck” are correct, population will have to go down as food production goes down – god knows the truth, but waits (as tolstoy wrote)

  7. Eso

    It is not birth control that will provide the answer for the overpopulation problem, but sterility.Sterility may come by way of radiation or some other artificial way. This will leave sexual relations to evolve the bonobo way.

    The post-sterility way of conception will be a matter of ‘cloning’, It will reintroduce the Mother as a major figure in society again. Father will lose and gain his reputation, because in every case the father will be ourselves. So, if there is a need for a Manhatta project now, it is in the art of cloning.

  8. Due to Immigration USA population is doubling since 1970.

  9. ‘No sooner than I published my story today when this came up at the Huffington Post’
    The HP is JUNK!

  10. The Guardian wasn’t joking when it said it will guard the Zionists. Just mentioning Israeli land grabbing in Palestine and power ploys in Iraq and Syria got me censored. I laughed at a Guardian journalist for claiming that Iran wants to be a “regional superpower” and pointed out the strategy of Israel and the US (surrounding Iran with military deployments). Apparently that made me an anti-semite because someone complained and my comment got cut.

  11. DeVaul

    Elaine built her house by hand one piece at a time, and most of the pieces were found in landfills and behind Home Depot. People throw away a lot of old windows, so I would expect to see a lot of windows used instead of solid planking on a homemade house using leftovers from home renovations.

    I am sure Elaine would love to have some good old rafter beams, like the ones I have in my garage and house. I don’t see them for sale at Home Depot.

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    ELAINE: Virtually all the windows were scavenged. There is very little to scavenge these days, by the way. No longer are builders tossing stuff or homeowners replacing windows and doors! Though, this last week I managed to scavenge some more free metal roofing! Happiness!

  12. seraphim

    By a strange quirk of fate I passed by Berlin on Thanksgivingday. I thought I spotted your house. It was probably a figment of imagination. All the best.

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    ELAINE: You probably did see it, up on the mountainside. My home is the highest up. Next time, let me know and I will email you my address, it is easy to find.

  13. Plove

    I’m waiting for Chemtrail Accords.

    Better be soon too.

    I may need a second chain-saw … fast as my trees are falling over.

  14. larry, dfh

    Stay toasty warm in that beautiful home! I have been thinking about the dog-man relationship alot lately. In fact, I was wondering if dogs were in any of the early cave paintings. Thanks for the enlightenment.
    Here’s
    a site for a three-part NOVA video on dog domestication. A very fascinating presentation. There is talk in the program about domesticating wolves through their hanging around garbage sites. I would like to believe that wolves made the first move, in that they could see how effective humans were at killing, and it was the wolves who figured out how to drive the prey to the hunters, hoping for salvage. Whatever the exact sequence of events, I think that dogs and humans co-evolved; a sort of symbiosis, formally.
    After seeing the show on TV, I wrote to one of the contributors, asking about the domestication of coyotes, which to me would seem much easier to domesticate than wolves. She sent me this article. A couple of points: no dog varieties are descended from coyotes, and none come from North American Wolves (ie. those in the New World came from elsewhere). I have a Miniature Pincer, which is supposedly descended from a European Wolf. I now call him “Tiny Wolf’, but it’s a stretch!

  15. mile

    got a notice today from the brokerage where i keep some money waiting for a good deal that notified me that non insured conduits place my money at risk of loss….? pictured a laughing hyena taking my deposits and running out the door., odd that thsat is where government was forcing money into and saying it will be the same for years foward…? odd enemys!

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    ELAINE: It is probably uninsured. AIG used to insure stuff but it was all totally fake, a scam. Our bank deposits are insured, thanks to FDR’s reforms, if they are in Federally Insured Banks. The government did cover many AIG deals, too, which is why the rich people bailed out this way are demanding we cut the budget deficits by cutting social services.

  16. mile

    trying to sort out the bank shareholder conduits and the help and depositors..?

  17. mile

    high speed trad e frequency can disapear the deposits before it passes conduit.., funny loss so quick, never gain so quick, deposit, to ..direction. lost at ….to….

  18. melponeme_k

    @larry

    Yes, I find the stories from Elaine about how our race’s socialization was shaped by the animals we befriended amazing too.

    Cats definitely chose to live with us but still keep many aspects of their feral nature. They decided to remain aloof. Wolves also decided to live with us but gave up their primal past. They learned to become human in many ways.

    And we? We’re Werewolves, of course. The old myths do have some truth in them.

  19. WilliamMBoston

    The reports on the number of deaths related to cold compared to heat are riddled with poorly defined terms, bad analysis and sloppy reasoning. Added to that is the deliberate misrepresentation by groups in the fossil fuel industries who spin the data to “prove” that global warming will be good for humans.

    Areas of confusion and bias include:
    * whether one is talking about extreme cold and heat waves (which need to be defined further) or simply winter months vrs summer months
    * clarification regarding the proportion of deaths occuring in elderly people about to die anyway
    * skewing the “cold” weather stats, by the cold-is-worse groups, to include the large number of flu deaths which occur in the winter months
    * obfuscation of deaths caused by not properly accounting for tangentally related reasons for death such as: icy-road accidents, icy-walk falls, seasonal depression, excess morbidity due to increases in body weight and body fat in winter months, etc

    A well-designed study has shown little difference in excess deaths in cold extremes versus hot extremes …

    “We conducted the study described in this paper to investigate the impact of ambient temperature on mortality in the Netherlands during 1979.1997, the impact of heat waves and cold spells on mortality in particular […] Average total excess mortality during the heat waves studied was 12.1%, or 39.8 deaths/day. The average excess mortality during the cold spells was 12.8% or 46.6 deaths/day, which was mostly attributable to the increase in cardiovascular mortality and mortality among the elderly.”
    – The Impact of Heat Waves and Cold Spells on Mortality Rates in the Dutch Population
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1240305/pdf/ehp0109-000463.pdf

    Here is some recent data on surges in heat-wave deaths is recent years …

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_natural_disasters_by_death_toll#Heat_waves

    So, can anyone produce a comparable set of data on cold-waves that will show cold waves during those years were more lethal than the heat waves? … Answer = No.

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    ELAINE: That is utterly untrue. I used to live, as a child, in Death Valley at the government nuke/rocket research facilities. It was damn hot. All we had to do was not go out in the damn sun.

    Go out in subzero cold with nothing on and you die, nearly instantly. The reason we northern livers don’t keel over dead all the time is simple: we work very very hard to stay warm. And we consume a lot of energy doing this.

    Whereas, in the warm climes, you can just LAZE ABOUT and do nothing and thus, survive hot days. Try doing that without central heating in January!

  20. billibaldi

    @WilliamMBoston
    Simple search term – winter mortality rates
    http://jech.bmj.com/content/57/10/784.full

    See declining life expectancy for poor people in Germany
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,803192,00.html

    and throw in an article on fuel poverty – http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2068933/Quarter-homes-face-fuel-poverty-Green-taxes-add-burden-struggling-families.html

    It doesn’t take a freezing snap to kill people, just poverty over winter, what do you think Christmas was originally about?

  21. billibaldi

    Elaine, according to Hans Rosling, we reached peak child in 2005. He say it will vary slightly but the world birth rate has peaked. The population growth is coming from increased life expectancy.

    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/turning-dollars-into-better-health/3661368

  22. Alex Yam

    @DeVaul

    I thought Elaine designed it that way for the view.

  23. Urban Roman

    If the current greenhouse-gas trend does not reverse, it *will* be warm in upstate NY in about a decade or two. You won’t like it very much, however.

    It will mean crop failure in most of the major food-growing regions as the rainfall patterns change. It will mean famine.

    Hopefully you are growing your own food.

  24. CK

    So we will finally have Berlin, NY Oranges and Limes? Baffin Island will be fertile useable farmland again. It might mean that new major food growing lands will come into play and some of the old ones will be able to lie fallow for a bit.
    Change is what you make of it. It will be nice to see sugar cane growing in Nebraska and South Dakota Pineapples will be a treat to eat.
    The sky isn’t falling, it’s just changing a wee bit.

  25. emsnews

    I lived in Tucson with no air conditioning when I was in college, from 1968-1974. It was perfectly fine. You just slow down at the hot times and speed up in the evening.

    I lived in a tent, yes, a TENT for TEN YEARS on a mountain where it goes to sometimes 40 below zero! I had to get up well before dawn to start the fires and it was barely above freezing in our yurt-like dwelling. I had to chop firewood during the day, stack it and move it around, and fill oil lamps and melt water which was always frozen in the morning, on the wood stove.

    It was A LOT OF WORK. I couldn’t afford to slow down or goof off even one half of one day. Lord, if I got sick for a week, I would have died if someone else didn’t do all these survival chores!

    Digging out from blizzards: more extremely hard work. Melting water for the chickens, the horses and ox team was hard work. You couldn’t turn out the animals for winter like Texans do. Their cows roam all year round.

    I had to hay fields and stack hay and then, for SIX MONTHS, feed the animals this hay. If I neglected to do this one day, they would begin to die.

    This does NOT happen in warm places.

  26. mile

    today the 15th Yahoo news (without “repaired” comment section) states that one of every two people are poor or low income..translated one runner dropping crums being pursued by the person that was ripped off who thinks an income of crumbs is not enough………

  27. mile

    crumbs..!? from crummys?….

  28. DeVaul

    @ Alex Yam,

    Well, the view is certainly nice, I will say that, but I based my conclusion on what I usually see tossed away by homeowners and contruction remodelers here in America. I never saw nice 2 x 8 rafter beams tossed on the streets or in the landfill, nor did I see other large pieces of wood tossed unless they were rotten or not suitable for building concrete guide structures.

    If the windows are double paned, then that is good. If not, then that is bad and a solid wall of wood with a small window insert would be better for such extreme cold weather. I believe glazing on windows during the Little Ice Age was a way of creating an extra barrier against heat loss, but I could be wrong. It also ruins the view, too. (smile)

    If a home is made from leftovers, then, depending on what country it is in, you can tell what people throw away there. Here, it is (was) windows.

  29. Richard Simard

    “If the windows are double paned, then that is good. ”

    Triple-paned windows are even better !

  30. seraphim

    Thank you Elaine! The real quirk was that I was in America. I can’t tell when the next time would be. It would be a great pleasure anyhow.

  31. @Elaine: …birth controls are necessary. But most of the religions on earth are dead set against this because the easiest way to grow is to have a captive audience of children who are raised to worship various gods and things. So the major religions fight birth restrictions tooth and nail.

    And the worst offenders are the two absolutely HUGE Abrahamic, Death God-worshipping Religions: Christianity and Islam.

    Death Gods always need more souls.

  32. BTW Great house! And big, too. I found it on Google!

  33. WilliamMBoston

    “,,,according to Hans Rosling, we reached peak child in 2005. He say it will vary slightly but the world birth rate has peaked. The population growth is coming from increased life expectancy.” – billibaldi (above)

    Increased longevity is not necessay to have population growth, even when the birth rate has peaked or is falling.

    Mathematically, it is very simple: as long as birth rate exceeds death rate, the population will grow. That is true even if longevity is decreasing. So while some portion of population growth may be coming from increased longevity, increased longevity per se is not necessarily causing the current population growth.

    “[birth rates] are now expected to remain essentially constant at their 2011 level of 134 million, while deaths number 56 million per year, and are expected to increase to 80 million per year by 2040.[7] Current projections show a continued increase in population (but a steady decline in the population growth rate), with the global population expected to reach between 7.5 and 10.5 billion by 2050 [vrs 7.0 billion now]” – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

    Regarding the replies to my prior comment above on cold temp vrs hot temp related deaths, saying people will freeze to death in freezing temperatures unless they stay warm is obviously true and not a refutation to what I saying, which concerned the statistical facts related to cold-event deaths vrs heat-event deaths. The study cited by billibaldi is interesting, but still points to the fact that studies do not adequately account for all the co-factors of cold-related death anomalies, where these cofactors (like flu, heart attacks from shoveling, road accidents, seasonal affect disorder, etc) result in deaths by causes not directly related to effects of a cold temperture on the human body. For heat-related deaths, co-factors play a much less significant role, as the effect of high temperatures on the human body are usually directly implicated in triggering the death.

  34. larry, dfh

    melponeme_k:

    Here’s one
    for you. Couldn’t find a free print version.

  35. How do you refute the Scientists who say the ice caps and glaciers are melting?

  36. emsnews

    Nope. They are melting. But the alternative for us is ICE AGE cold. ALL interglacials have been BRIEF. Whereas, the Ice Age periods have been all quite long, about ten times longer than the interglacials.

    We are at the end of our present interglacial! The plunge into cold is rapid and vicious each time an interglacial ended just as the melt downs of the massive ice sheets were rapid, too.

    So, looking at reality, this is why I fear Ice Ages. We still have NO REAL IDEA why ice ages suddenly began happening 2.5 million years ago. We have no idea what triggered this cyclic system and guesses are, the sun and Yellowstone caldera may be interacting with each other to make these things happen.

    But we don’t know.

  37. emsnews

    As for surviving heat or cold, it is far easier to survive heat than cold IF you have no right to produce CO2. That is, one can simply hang out in a cool shelter underground (yes, we dug hideouts in the desert to hide in in the fifties in Death Valley since virtually no one had air conditioning, we had swamp boxes instead!!!!) but hiding from the cold by going into caves is rather Ice Age Cave Men sort of thing, no?

    And of course, surviving on a glacier is much harder than surviving in the desert. All you need in the desert is shade and water. But in ice age conditions, you need lots of animal furs and some heat and lots of shelter and life is definitely short. And make one small mistake and your fingers freeze off, for example.

    I never saw anyone’s toes fall off due to walking in the sun. But even with shoes on, walking in -40 temperatures can easily lead to losing your toes.

  38. emsnews

    What you wear in hot climates is a loose robe and sandals and a hat or veil or somewhat. Light, easy stuff. In cold places, you have to wear socks, warm boots, mittens, hats, scarves, snow shoes or skis, several layers of clothing, etc. etc.

    When I lived in Death Valley, I barely wore anything in hot summer. Living on my mountain, I have to spend at least 15-20 minutes putting on layer after layer of protection before venturing out into January super cold days!

    This is why people love warm and hate cold. Seriously! This is why our population here is falling rather than rising, everyone moves south. Duh!!!!

  39. emsnews

    You can die of heat stroke by being stupid in the desert (working at the wrong times, or not acclimating for the heat due to living in air conditioned homes) but in the cold, you can die even when acclimated if you say, get water inside your boots (yes, this can happen, for example, by suddenly breaking through a sheet of ice!) and then your toes freeze off.

    The cautions one must practice in extreme cold is obvious. Get drunk and fall asleep under a tree in the Caribbean and nothing happens. Do this in subzero weather and you die even if you have a coat and hat on.

  40. 90404

    are we facing another Ice Age?

  41. @Elaine: “We still have NO REAL IDEA why ice ages suddenly began happening 2.5 million years ago. We have no idea what triggered this cyclic system and guesses are, the sun and Yellowstone caldera may be interacting with each other to make these things happen.”

    I heard Panama is only 2.5 million years old. Before the equatorial currents flowed around the Earth and less moisture got up into the Northern Hemisphere in winter. Maybe the rising of the isthmus and the blocking of the current has something to do with it.

    Of course, europe would have been colder.

  42. @90404 If it weren’t for global warming? YES.

  43. emsnews

    Yes, the Panama isthmus is a factor here and yes, the ocean currents have changed because of it. And ALL the land masses on earth are moving towards the North Pole which will eventually have high mountains and half of the planet will be one huge ocean, basically.

    The earth moves from Pangea forms to scattered continent forms and then back to Pangea unified continents over and over and over again.

    This future is really nasty for us because this present movement towards having Pangea mainly on the north pole means perpetual ice ages unless there is sufficient carbon to keep things somewhat warmer.

    And the top driver of evolution has been three things: solar changes (the sun shifts its output and actions over time) continental plate movements and celestial objects hitting the earth. We evolved very rapidly from hot climate naked apes into animal skin wearing Ice Age hunters due to the Ice Ages. But we are still basically hot climate animals.

  44. Urban Roman

    Elaine, I like to discount some of these probabilities:
    — Probability that I will see the universe decay due to entropy / proton instability: 0.00.
    — Probability that I will notice the Milky Way falling into a region of high cosmic density: 0.00, or so close to that the difference cannot be measured.
    — Probability that I will live to see the continents collide into Neo-Pangea: 0.00 absent a major breakthrough in biotechnology.
    — Probability that the Yellowstone Caldera will be a problem for me: 0.01 or so, maybe. It’s due for an eruption, but they don’t happen very often.
    — Probability that I will see the beginning of a new ice age: 0.01 or less (again, unless I live to be 1000).
    — Probability that greenhouse-gas induce global warming will affect me: 1.0, since it’s already happening. (probability that the Carbon Tariff or whatever will reduce it: 0.00)
    — Probability that we will have a worldwide economic collapse due to oil depletion / overpopulation / but mostly ponzinomics: 0.99 or so. I think we are already seeing that, too.

  45. Thanks Ed and Elaine….
    I am in LA…[90404] and Nov-Dec have been very cold!
    Buildings here often have no insulation..
    One day or nite it reached 30? 39 degrees Fahrenheit.

  46. 180 pensioners died every day as a result of cold conditions during the 2010-11 winter months in England and Wales.

    The annual ‘Excess winter mortality’ report found that an estimated 21,800 people over the age of 65 died as a result of adverse conditions, on top of the average mortality rate for the same period of time (4 months from December 2010 to March 2011).

    Over-65s accounted for 84% of the overall 25,700 ‘excess’ deaths during the winter months.

    “The numbers of excess winter deaths are a disgrace,” said Michelle Mitchell, charity director of Age UK. “We like to think of ourselves as a civilised society which protects the most vulnerable but the numbers of older people who do not survive the winter here is far higher than most European countries where the weather is far colder.

    “These deaths are the tip of an iceberg of illness, misery and anxiety which grips Britain every winter,” she added. “The Government must do more to tackle fuel poverty and ensure that housing is better insulated.”

    Latest estimates from the Hills Review suggest that 4.1 million homes in Britain are living in fuel poverty – being forced to spend over 10% of household income to keep a “satisfactory” heating condition. Fresh concerns have also emerged over the rise of energy prices over recent months as EDF, British Gas, npower, Scottish Power, Scottish and Southern Energy and E. ON have all hiked prices- taking the average household energy bill up £161.

    “Many of our poorest pensioners, families and disabled people, put their health at risk by having to choose between heating their homes or putting food on the table this winter,” said Audrey Gallacher, director of energy at Consumer Focus. “This is one of the most pressing and neglected concerns facing the government’s energy strategy.

    “Recent energy price hikes have left fuel poverty levels soaring, with energy bills almost double what they were five years ago,” she added. “With around nine million people in England living in fuel poverty under the current measure, this has been a running sore for successive governments and we desperately need a coherent plan to address it.”

    Consumer Focus estimates that the spike in energy prices could see 5.1 million homes facing fuel poverty.

    My [90404] understanding is UK takes in 1 or 2 million immigrants a year..
    while being in a dire depression ..in part due to north seas oil going or gone..yet they treat the Pakis who show up with no papers like kings..
    a child called someone a ‘stupid paki’ and was arrested…at least I read that.

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