New Study About Impending Ice Age Irritates Global Warming Scientists

The NYT has yet another article about Ice Ages which stir up a lot of heat and heavy breathing.  Namely, a group of scientists dared to suggest our present happy interglacial is due to end pretty soon and the only thing keeping this impending, cold, dark ice age at bay is human CO2 production.  Of course, the whole problem with humanity is, whatever is the status quo today is supposed to be set on this level forever but this isn’t how our planet operates.  The planet’s climate has been greatly destabilized for some still-unknown reason starting just 2.5 million years ago.


The debate about global warming is really a debate about keeping this planet going exactly as it pleases us today, not natural cycles.  Humans evolved very rapidly and quite dramatically beginning 2.5 million years ago as the planet definitely cooled off.  We had already evolved to be virtually naked because, as I keep saying, we are basically apes who evolved to fit into a hot, sunny, pleasant climate that features, in particular, warm nights.  Very warm nights!


The issue of why we became naked is just as unresolved as the issue of why the earth suddenly ended up in a cycle of very long ice ages punctuated by unexplained and above all, very, very sudden warming cycles.  There is no wy we would have evolved our naked skin under the hammer of repeated ice ages unless there was some advantage to being naked.


This ice age cycle system led to a lot of sudden evolutionary changes.  For example, whales began as land animals who then took to the water to hunt for fish.  There are some anthropologists who believe humans also were fish and sea shell eaters who swam during the end of the warm era.  Whales evolved rapidly during the ice ages just as we did.  One thing is certain: the present condition of the planet is very unusual and has triggered vast genetic changes which we assume are eternal and set in stone whereas these genetic upsets are highly fluid due to the see-saw cold/hot cycles we have experienced in recent geological planetary history.


The Next Ice Age and the Anthropocene –



The research, led by Chronis Tzedakis of University College, London, examined similarities between the current warm interval between ice ages and a particular point, around 780,000 years ago, during a past warm period known as Marine Isotope Stage 19. Using a variety of methods, the authors conclude that the onset of a new ice age would likely begin about 1,500 years from now, if the concentration of carbon dioxide was back below the levels produced since the Industrial Revolution.



There are a number of people who worry about the impending next ice age.  Due to us not understanding exactly what triggers these events, all sorts of suppositions are thrown about but frankly, no one still knows for certain what is going on.  I don’t deny that rising CO2 has warmed the planet.  Anti-global warming people are wrong when they try to evade the role of CO2 in warming.  But what I suggest over and over again is, we are on borrowed time here.  The looming ice age to be is right over the horizon, lurking in the dark future.


I have suspected most of my life that the Yellowstone/rift system in North America has been cycling merrily along with a major change in our local star, the sun’s output of the sort of solar energy we need to stay warm.  The chances of humans keeping our present weather pattern for all eternity is a fool’s errand.  For we evolved due to a very unstable system and this instability continues and all efforts to keep it from happening are going to be futile.


From the NYT comes some rather bizarre rebuttals of the suggestion that we face a massive ice sheet event that would be extremely unpleasant:

Richard Alley, a longtime analyst of ice and climate at Pennsylvania State University:  Cochelin et al used a model of intermediate complexity to show that the orbital variations over the next 100,000 years are weak enough that even a little human CO2 remaining in the atmosphere is enough to keep the earth out of an ice age (“Simulation of long-term future climate changes with the green McGill paleoclimate model: The next glacial inception”).

So, overall, the idea that our CO2 is having a large impact on the climate that will last a long time, and exceed any natural trend to start a new ice age, is rather well established in the scientific literature (also see the references 2-3 and 5-7 in the new paper).


Sigh.  This is why it is so depressing, trying to explain how the sun operates.  Yes, there have been orbital variations that may amplify ice age triggers.  But this is not the trigger.  Ice ages happen because of a CONFLUENCE of events such as Yellowstone erupting violently and this accidentally coinciding with a shift in solar output and reduction of sun spot activity and the earth tilted in the wrong direction for the northern hemisphere to heat up.


Yellowstone is smack dab in the middle of the northern hemispherical moderate climate zone.  Each eruption covered vast areas of North America with volcanic dust, killing plants.  We still don’t know what effect this has on the climate but I can assure people, it is HUGE.  And I have toured major volcanic eruption zones in the past and the most interesting thing is, the ground is blazingly white, reflecting the sun back to space!


So what we have is a puzzle of many pieces.  No one thing triggered this ice age cycle but several things certainly did.  And all these things are still happening!  Yellowstone isn’t dead, it is a living mega-volcano that heaves and breathes.  There is a similar, smaller one dead center in Germany which is also where ice sheets happened in the past.  And then there is the sudden appearance of Iceland!  Along the same climate belt which is where the transmission of warm air moves across the Atlantic ocean during warm cycles.


Here is another scientist trying to shoot down the idea, we are headed towards yet another ice age:

James Hansen, the director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies:

What would have been (absent humans) is only of academic interest. The two principal mechanisms by which the orbital effects on the regional/seasonal distribution of insolation instigate climate change are melting/growth of ice sheets (thus albedo change –> temperature change) and the slow feedback effect of GHGs responding to temperature change, thus increasing the greenhouse effect. But the huge human-made GHG changes cause ice to be melting all over the planet. So the growth of Northern Hemisphere ice sheets to start the next ice age can’t happen — on the contrary, as you can see, the tundra, Greenland and sea ice are melting and shrinking in area. So the increasing albedo mechanism needed to move the planet into the next ice age can’t happen — unless humans go extinct. Of course I know this is already well known by you.


That is just plain stupid!  Of course, under PRESENT CONDITIONS, an ice age just can’t happen.  But we know that when Yellowstone blows up, it covers 80% of the US from the Rockies to the East Coast, with a white, fine dust that kills the trees and plants and above all, reflects the sun’s light back into space.  NO ice age began slowly and NO ice age ended slowly.  Each event was a violent swing of a peculiar pendulum.


The ‘slow feedback effect’ of ANYTHING is thrown to the wolves if there is a major Yellowstone event.  No ifs, ands or buts.  And there is no ‘slow feedback effect’ if the sun suddenly reduces solar activity for 100,000 years, either!  It is sudden and the suddenness of all this is what is so amazing and troubling.  This basic instability of the climate predated human interventions of any sort.  We were mere monkeys that didn’t hunt nor light fires when suddenly, we were plunged off the pleasant cliff where we lived so artlessly and happily and found ourselves in a living hell that hammered us mercilessly for two+ million years!


This concept is hard to accept.  We like the status quo of today.  We don’t want any changes because everything was set up to work under today’s systems.  We foolishly built major cities right on the edge of the ocean, assuming incorrectly that the ocean’s edge would be the same forever,  no matter what.  Despite seeing the ocean suddenly flooding areas like Japan and Indonesia, we still build on the ocean with this insane presumption.


The ocean’s edge is extremely variable!  But we don’t want variables, we want things pinned in place.  We want to have our constructions remain intact and unmolested but Mother Nature laughs at us for this presumption.  Never, ever were landmasses stationary.  Nor the ocean at some ideal depth.  The entire reason why we have evolution is due to deaths caused by environmental changes and this process continues relentlessly onwards.


And as always, the yelling about CO2 puzzles me when I see virtually no sacrifices being made to stop this.  Who is doing what, anyways?  All the people at the top want people at the bottom to change so that we don’t have this CO2 problem while they want to still fly and drive all over kingdom come, live in climate-controlled houses that ignore reality (solar orientation, etc.) and have a high, good time.  I recently had a fine, ernest young lady over here who was oh-so-careful about global warming and her impact on nature…talking merrily about how she was flying off to India, of all places, to hang out!


HA!  That, in a nutshell, shows us exactly the problem with humans.  We love to fret, we love to feel as if we are morally upright but we certainly do love to have fun and do whatever, to hell with what we pretend we believe.  We can’t stop ‘global warming’ very easily if the very same people who worry the most about it are behaving as if it doesn’t exist whenever it suits them.

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34 responses to “New Study About Impending Ice Age Irritates Global Warming Scientists

  1. Eso

    If it is true that deforestation will help cool our planet, then all the people in the deforested countries on the northern half of the equator will soon start growing fine fur over their skins. Some of us may wish to start the evolutionary trend early by eating cat food with adatives that will make our fur glossy and shiny, no need for 2 in 1 shampoos.

  2. melponeme_k

    Burning fossil fuels won’t last forever. What do we have about 100 to 200 years left of that? Maybe not even.

    As soon as the light goes out, the cold and the dark come creeping back in. I’m understanding more the fear ice ages caused in our ancestors. Niflheim is definitely a legend we created about it.

  3. mistah charley, ph.d.

    “when yellowstone blows up” – yes, that will be quite something, but by the time it happens – probably not this year, maybe not in the next ten years, maybe not in the next century or the next thousand years, maybe not in the next ten thousand years – who knows if it’s good or bad?

  4. mistah charley, ph.d.

    the people in the highlands of new guinea have the best chance of having descendants still living ten thousand years from now

  5. Old Ari

    I read another theory about human hairlessness, many years ago.
    This was, that for a short period humans became semi-aquatic, losing body hair, save at friction points, and developing a sub-cutaneous layer of fat.
    To bring in Japan, as you like to do, a few years ago, it was reported that a japanese monkey had found out how nice a hot (volcanic) pool was, in the middle of a cold winter. I believe later all, or almost all of the troop had”Taken the plunge”.

  6. Peter

    The Ice Age cycles look too regular to me for it to be a random collection of effects that’s starts them.
    I think it’s the sun…and the variable is the cosmic wind flowing to our sun from the milky way galaxy centre….or maybe our sun’s orbit in the galaxy….but something’s afoot for sure!
    Wouldn’t it be great if we could travel back 12,000 years and check out the last one ourselves.
    There’s also the thing about the mammoth’s being killed with food still in their mouths that isn’t typical tundra fare and being discovered flash frozen in the ice.

  7. Plove

    @Bravo Elaine: You are absolutely correct in saying Hansen argument “is just plain stupid.” Actually, it’s worse than just plain stupid, and not only Hansen, but the whole NYT article qualifies for default stupidity.

    Any reputable climate scientist will tell us that global temperature is a function of rain. No rain equals drought, heat, and famine. Lotsa rain equals living in a land of plenty. Rain determines temperature. Period. End of story.

    Out biggest climate problem is the decrease in solar radiation reaching earth, which is needed for photosynthesis and natural climate changes. Pollution in our atmosphere is blocking sun’s radiation, causing everything from rickets to tree death. My tomato plants don’t yield for lack of sunshine.

    The big question: what is the pollution blocking the sun’s radiant energy? Maybe it’s those mega tons of highly reflective aluminum nanoparticles being aerosoled out the tails of high flying airplanes all over the globe.

  8. I found this at

    I see Alaska had a BIG snow on one town!

    Now look here:

    High temperature records have beat low temperature records over the last year at a rate of over 3-1. Over the last 30 days high records have beat low records at a rate of 20-1.

    This is where some dipshit is going to say “well that’s weather” because the dumbfuck doesn’t understand that weather that changes over an entire continent is climate. Especially when the changes are all headed in the same direction year after year.
    So unless we get really freaking lucky and get normal snows and normal rainfalls and a nice quiet tornado season. Well, fat freaking chance; we’re hosed.

  9. JimmyJ

    I read Elaine Morgan’s “The Descent of Woman” when I was a middling teenager and the idea of the “aquatic ape” greatly appealed to me. I had no difficulty conceptualizing and accepting the premise. It’s a theory that on the face of it seems to explain a lot of anatomical differences between humans and “proper” apes. Apparently (Dr) Morgan still defends it but you don’t hear much about the idea in the media these days.

    The sun has the volume of 1,300,000 earths. It is friggin immense! Schools just do not adequately teach how relatively immense it is. And seldom do you see any science shows illustrate this, even finding a suitably demonstrative graphic online is difficult. I’ve read defense of the low risk of flares and solar wind on life on earth, but I think scientists are fooled by the small orb they see daily in the sky and that bias affects their risk assessment. So we see scientists instead worry about distant gamma ray bursts causing extinction events, a circumstance with comparatively low odds versus a solar extinction event I would think.

  10. Ali

    here in the UK we are unable to get cat food with adatives. Over here it’s like adatives don’t even exist.

  11. Alex Yam

    The issue of why we became naked is just as unresolved as the issue of why the earth suddenly ended up in a cycle of very long ice ages punctuated by unexplained and above all, very, very sudden warming cycles. There is no wy we would have evolved our naked skin under the hammer of repeated ice ages unless there was some advantage to being naked.

    According to “Becoming Human – Part 2:Birth of Humanity” from Nova, we became naked because at some point in time our ancestor needed to run long distances without getting overheated easily. The program demonstrated this by showing an native African running after a deer. Both the runner and dear kept running and resting, but eventually the deer’s body was overheated to the point it could only stand there and get caught by the runner, no traps or weapon was used in the process, the deer was simply caught by running.

    If that is true then we must have lost most of our body hair long before the ice age.


    The program examines an intriguing theory that long-distance running–our ability to jog–was crucial for the survival of these early hominids. Not only did running help them escape from vicious predators roaming the grasslands, but it also gave them a unique hunting strategy: chasing down prey animals such as deer and antelope to the point of exhaustion. “Birth of Humanity” also probes how, why, and when humans’ uniquely long period of childhood and parenting began.

  12. emsnews

    Have you ever, ever, ever tried to outrun a dog???? A bull??????? I have had both bulls and dogs. When they both begin running, they leave me in the dust! Period!

    The human hunters didn’t run after animals except WHEN WOUNDED. If a human runs down a deer, it is ONLY after it is wounded. Never, ever, ever, EVER when it is hale and well. I hunt deer and have zero chance of bounding after it.

    The reason the deer don’t worry about us ‘wearing them out’ is simple: they so badly outrun us the first 10 minutes, we never catch up. Period.


    Our distant ancestors were upright apes who ambled about, and why do I say emphatically, we did not descend from lion and tiger-style hunters?

    Simple! Go look at our feeble, flat, grinding teeth and then open your cat or dog’s mouth and behold, there are NO flat grinding teeth and the front teeth are sharp as daggers!

  13. emsnews

    The ‘sweat from running’ theme keeps popping up and I find it to be the most ridiculous of all assumptions due to it not fitting the entire business as to why we evolved to walk upright while at the same time, lost our fangs. Gorillas have fangs! So do chimps! In a hand-to-hand combat with either, if a human had to fight off either bare-handed, they would lose, big time, totally and completely.

    We are the weak apes. We are the helpless apes. We are the scavenger apes who went around picking up the remains of carcasses, rocks, sticks, various plants, seeds and fruits and eating sea animals washed ashore or exposed by low tides.

    We finally figured out how to use rocks as weapons and this led to us evolving into meat eating hunters but that happened only when we faced severe eating problems due to ice ages. Even so, our meat eating is so recent, we still kept our defanged teeth and quickly, in the last ice age, when it ended, we very, very swiftly moved towards agriculture in order to grow the food we evolved to eat: fruits, veggies and grains!

  14. emsnews

    And further: gorillas are vegetarians but have immense fangs and huge, powerful upper arms. This is due to their vicious way of courting female harems. Like baboons, they battle each other, that is, the males, for sex with the females. There is little to no courtship of the females seeking permission. The chimp females have more leeway in choosing sex with males but the males still battle each other with fangs.

    Human males have no real fangs. They courted via voice which is probably why human language grew. We all know women love it to pieces when men talk sweet to them! Males who refuse to do this are called ‘rapists’ and are despised by free females. Only enslaved females are not allowed much say in sex and this usually leads to social degradation and a loss of linguistic skills with the males.

    I love to say, the language of love is how human language was born! And it grew out of the business of having no huge fangs which would get in the way of the tongue making elaborate shapes against the teeth to create pleasing sounds.

  15. You have a Gorilla problem in your schools in the US. This is just shocking:

    A woman I know worked as a teacher in NY, she said the kids were stuffed with pills to keep them “calm”. Wth is going on?


    About Elaines last comment:

    Yes, women love it when men talk with a quiet, deep voice. It sets off hormones in the female brains. This is involuntary ie it is run by the instinctive part of the brain.

  16. Alex Yam


    First of all, it isn’t my theory, don’t sheesh the messenger. When I use the word “According to”, it means I have reservation about some of the program’s theory (but not because of the reasons you listed).

    Secondly, how do you know our ancestors didn’t run after unwounded animals? Just becase you, a modern human, whose genes had numerous mutation over milleniums, can no longer do? Sheesh.

    The ‘sweat from running’ theory isn’t based on modern human, it isn’t even based on human in the northern hemisphere. It is based on ancient human in Africa, before our African ancestor even migrated.

    Just because you can’t do something, doesn’t mean others can’t, or that their ancestors couldn’t. the African runner in the video ran after a deer until it was too hot to move. So either you’re right this can never happen and the video I linked to is a complete fraud, or you’re wrong – there are other people who can do something you can’t.

    There’s a lot of things I can’t do, but I wouldn’t say my ancestors couldn’t, the sheer number of African Olympic gold medalists in track and field suggests at some point our distant African ancestor were very good runners, perhaps a lot better than even our African gold medalists today.

    Thirdly, the ‘sweat from running’ theory doesn’t really contradict your ‘fruit eating weak apes’ theory, you find this ‘the most ridiculous of all assumptions’ because you’ve completely missed the point. If we were helpless fruit eating apes, then running and hiding were our only realistic options against predators. Try running away from a tiger in a African forest and field under the sun, then try it again wearing a fur coat, then come back and tell me how useful that fur coat is and why would it be the ‘most ridiculous of all’ to ditch that coat in 50c heat.

    I believe our ancestors went through a period where there were less trees and fruits, so we had to eat more meat, there were less places to hide so we stood upright to spot the lions before they spot us, and we had to run longer and faster to survive so we ditched the extra hair on our body to reduce body heat. Wtf is so ‘most ridiculous of all assumptions’ about that?

    Next time, try watch the actual program before sheeshing things you don’t understand, or just keep it simple and say if Elaine can’t do it, nobody else in history can. If you can’t run 100m in 9.9, then nobody else can.

    Sheesh. Wtf do I waste my time posting here.

  17. ‘A woman I know worked as a teacher in NY, she said the kids were stuffed with pills to keep them “calm”.’

    Fortune mag, Forbes, WSJ have no problem with psychtropics used on pre schoolers…the ‘myth’ of ADD / hyperactivity.

  18. Old Ari

    Hunting animals on foot. I read somewhere that before the introduction of horses into NA, buffalo where hunted by forcing the animal into a circle, with runners around the edges, as each runner came up to the next the chase would continue until the animal quit. A simpler way was used when available. The animals were chased over a cliff.

  19. James

    The following video at 2:15 presumably shows the strength and accuracy an 84 year old man can generate with a stone thrower. They might not easily kill, but should facilitate running to exhaustion.

  20. JT

    “pleasing sounds”
    (I was just listening to this…)

  21. James

    “The subtext of all rock songs is ‘Will you pull your pants down'” — Bruce Springsteen

  22. Urban Roman

    Elaine, you realize you’re just being silly today.

    Global Warming is here, now. The ice is melting. It’s a fact. The cause is all the mineral carbon we have burned over the last 200 years, along with all the wood we burned and forests we cleared so that they are no longer fixing carbon. As a knock-on effect, the melting tundra is releasing methane. Not tiny cow-fart quantities, but large, climate-changing quantities. By now, there’s nothing that can be done about it.

    Maybe we’ll have an ice age in 1000 years, or Yellowstone will burp, or we’ll get hit by an asteroid or be cooked by radiation from a passing neutron star. Maybe, but right now we have global warming.

    As for the weather in Berlin, I have no idea what it will do. If the THC is slowed down by arctic melting, you could well be in for more cold and rain — the higher latitudes would no longer be warmed by the Gulf Stream even as the tropics cook in extreme heat. The “Global” part is only about the average climate, not the weather next Tuesday wherever you are.


    Living in a desert seems like a hard life, walking from water to water, if you stop you die. Lot more difficult than sprinting.

    Meat is a little harder.

  24. Clueless

    Very much off topic but couldn’t let this one go. This one is for those who bought the 9/11 War on Terrorizers dog and pony show. Absolutely appalling.

    As Martin Luther once said, “Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. ”

  25. Steve Murgaski

    The comment about low voices reminded me of Leonard Cohen. (Don’t let the French at the beginning scare you. The interview is in English.)

  26. Urban Roman

    I think humans’ lack of fur has a big component of sexual selection to it.

    In much the same way women’s brains respond to deep confident voices, men’s brains respond to the nude. It’s why porn is such a popular pastime on the internet, eh.

  27. emsnews

    My internet connection was down for a while due to a tree falling on the lines and it is finally fixed nearly two days later!

    About the hunting stuff: humans didn’t evolve as meat eaters when we began walking and losing our fur and developing language. If we were meat eaters back then, we would still have gorilla-sized fangs! This is overlooked by virtually anyone proposing the ‘fast hunter’ theory.

    Early humanoids were more likely scavengers. They used rocks to drive away the hunting cats especially the leopard but even, when the ‘monkey/human’ tribe was many in number and had good rocks to throw as well as using sharp digging sticks!

    They most certainly didn’t run after game for the simple reason, the LIONS would NAIL THEM. See? Let’s examine this as a hunter and I am a hunter: you trot for hours after some zebra. But just as the zebra finally tires out…a PRIDE (multiple lions) emerges suddenly and strikes down the zebra!

    Or nastier, the leopards and cheetahs trail after the running humans and nab the last one in the running group and yank him into the high grass. They most certainly run faster than humans. We cannot run 45 miles per hour and all it takes is for a leopard which still eats humans even today, to come at a 45 degree run towards noisy, rock throwing hunting humans.

    No, the successful hunting came later. The scavenging came first and for many, many eons, say, about 2 million years.

  28. Melponeme_k

    “No, the successful hunting came later. The scavenging came first and for many, many eons, say, about 2 million years.”

    I think it’s rather interesting that the cast off apes (us) rose up to rule the earth. The others wanted nothing to do with us. We were probably always strange looking and strange sounding. Not to mention we did stupid things like stand up in open grasslands calling attention to every predator in the area and also spoke in loud voices (even today we can’t control our own volume).

    We had to learn the art of violence by fighting for everything. And now that will prove to be our downfall.

    Our hunting may not have started in a reliable manner until we could depend on other animals. Dogs/wolf hybrids were considerably stronger than us and better hunters and had the numbers to fight off other predators. They allowed us to tag along after them for whatever reasons. Maybe they liked to hear us speak?

  29. Ken

    I enjoy hearing you and Elaine speak.

  30. JT


    😀 .
    Yes that could be right.
    Maybe the wolves let us tag along and gave us some scraps.

    Can humans even find anything to hunt without dogs?

  31. Steve Murgaski

    There’s a whole genre of fiction about prehistoric humans. I remember I picked up the Animal Wife, by Elizabeth Marshall Thomas, as a teenager, because the back cover sounded sexy. I got a lot more than I counted on. 🙂

  32. emsnews

    That takes me to the whole thing of humans sleeping: we sleep like rocks. The reason for this is simple: humans fought with predators for corpses. We would ambush the single-hunter big cats but of course, not the lions who hunt in troops, too. Since we also had fires, this kept all the predators at bay so we could snooze happily just like them.

    Lions and bears don’t worry when they snooze. They lollygag about, plopping down wherever except in the vicinity of troops of humans or baboons.

    Baboons didn’t throw rocks, they screamed at lions. Lions can’t sleep with a troop of screaming ape creatures bothering them so they would amble away to find a quieter spot for a sun tan.

    We evolved to be very noisy, for this reason. Our babies, unlike virtually all babies in nature, scream a LOT. At the top of their tiny lungs. Can be heard for MILES. They were used this way to drive away the lions. When hearing the wail of babies, they would think, ‘Damn, those stupid corpse-stealing apes are nearby! Let’s hunt down the valley where it is quieter.’


  33. melponeme_k

    “Yes that could be right.
    Maybe the wolves let us tag along and gave us some scraps.”

    Definitely we ate their scraps. Or rather after the Alpha ate first and whatever human he favored as his own companion ate along with him. That must have been a special place for whatever human lucked out to be an Alpha wolf favorite. Is this where we received our notions of nobility?

    We paid them in song. I think Elaine, is right. Animals love our music and our voices. Our pets try as hard as they can to match our talent. Even ornery cats meow because they want to speak with us (they don’t use their voices to communicate with one another). And speaking for Dogs is almost second nature.

    And they liked our fires. It sure is nice to sleep by a fire when it is cold out.

  34. JT


    Yeah that’s true. My dogs like to listen when I talk to them and they try to imitate human speech.

    When you look at that hunting video.
    The dog finds the moose, herds it to the “great hunter” and keeps the moose within range.

    If you take the dog out of the equation that “ultimate predator” would just freeze his nuts off, pick some berries and go home.

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