Rand Paul: Use Drones To Kill Liquor Store Robbers Stealing $50

Rand Paul, the hero who did the anti-drone filibuster turns around and decides using drones to murder liquor store thieves is perfectly OK.  Killing Americans who are ‘dangerous’ is a slippery slope as we see overseas with our drones causing mayhem by killing Muslims left and right.  Of course, this only makes them madder and madder and fires them up to do the same to us here as we saw this week!  Cops killing inner city blacks has done very little to make our cities safer.  The Bloomberg efforts to disarm the thugs has gone a long ways towards making NYC safer, for example.


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“I’ve never argued against any technology being used when you have an imminent threat, an active crime going on,” Paul said. “If someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and fifty dollars in cash. I don’t care if a drone kills him or a policeman kills him.”


I suspect Rand Paul was probably mentally picturing some black dude holding up a liquor store which is why he was comfortable with using a drone to annihilate said thief.  The entire problem with drone assassins is that these are always pictured as being used against whatever ethnic or religious affiliation one despises while using this against one’s own group is not possible and will be prevented at all costs.


Some people are irritated when I point out that many guns are used by white males for this purpose:  Father, 42, ‘shot dead his orthodontist wife in their country club home while their daughter, 2, was inside’ and other terroristic fashions or sadly, suicide.  Blacks often use guns as economic tools, for robberies or drug deals.  Since illegal drug deal problems can’t be aired in court, they do the exo-judicial thing: guns are the ‘legal enforcers’ rather than laws.  And indeed, the measures to close all those gaping loopholes in gun registrations is aimed directly at preventing arms flowing into inner cities where guns are used to rob stores or settle drug deal problems.


The picture Rand Paul paints is all about unregulated guns being used for criminal purposes yet he is against closing the gun registration loopholes.  This puzzling ‘Let’s use draconian force to kill criminals’ is connected directly to ‘How dare liberals force us to register guns!’  A very odd thing indeed.


The fact of the matter is, the right wing is in hysterics about guns especially guns that can spray the vicinity thoroughly.  They want the possibility to use guns to force legislators to pass laws that gun holders wish, not the general public wishes.  The far right has been quite vocal about this use of guns for revolt.  While at the same time, complaining about other ethnic groups using guns the exact same way.  Rand Paul did upset libertarians enough for him to issue a ‘clarification’ that fixes nothing:


My comments last night left the mistaken impression that my position on drones had changed.


Let me be clear: it has not. Armed drones should not be used in normal crime situations. They only may only be considered in extraordinary, lethal situations where there is an ongoing, imminent threat. I described that scenario previously during my Senate filibuster.


Additionally, surveillance drones should only be used with warrants and specific targets.


Fighting terrorism and capturing terrorists must be done while preserving our constitutional protections. This was demonstrated last week in Boston. As we all seek to prevent future tragedies, we must continue to bear this in mind.


A black teen robbing a liquor store with a pop gun is NORMAL.  Not extraordinary at all.  It happens quite often and if the cops show up, generally speaking, the teen surrenders after maybe trying to run away.  In NYC under the stop and frisk policy of Bloomberg, these sorts of robberies dropped and this shows a simple rule: disarmament works!  How is killing a teen running from a liquor store with a small handgun ‘an imminent threat’?  Under that definition, nearly anything involving a gun is ‘an imminent threat’.


Listen carefully: if anyone believes that everyone should carry guns and then draw and shoot at many situations such as while trying to teach kindergarden children or fleeing an angry husband, how on earth will the drones that Ron Paul wants to patrol us, tell who is the bad guy?  What if that hypothetical black teen fleeing the store is really the CLERK chasing the robber and has pulled a gun on him?  I am not making this up, I have actually witnessed a clerk in NYC on Flatbush Avenue do exactly that!


Furthermore, once the police begin using drones to kill people for robbing liquor stores, we know that they will use it for absolutely everything including jay walking.  The only time in my life I have ever been arrested was for jaywalking and that was done for political reasons.  The charges dropped and the police had to apologize to me.  Due to its political nature, there was a riot (this was Berkeley in the late sixties!) and they first wanted to charge me with that only I was cooperative with the arrest and even asked the rioters to stop when they tried to overturn the cop car I was in.


This was for self-survival, I didn’t want to be hurt if the car was overturned.


The fact is, governments use force whenever they think it will work and force has no upper limit.  This is why we have Constitutional restrictions on government force and even more important, civil rights and this emphatically includes women’s rights, gay rights (slowly being won) and even the right of white males to not be killed by assassin drones.  The drone that kills the black teen robbing a liquor store will be the same drone that kills a white guy who is arguing over a hedge cutting infraction with his neighbor.


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21 responses to “Rand Paul: Use Drones To Kill Liquor Store Robbers Stealing $50

  1. lucky13

    Orwellian. Drones. Grave New World.

  2. lucky13

    “Cops killing inner city blacks has done very little to make our cities safer. The Bloomberg efforts to disarm the thugs has gone a long ways towards making NYC safer, for example.”
    Is 90% of crime done by 10% of the criminals, who get released from jails all too soon?
    Obama /Holder just released tens of thousands of illegals who were
    about to be deported, under the guise of ‘$equestration’.

  3. lucky13

    I dont have the stats in front of me but 90% ? of NYC murders are by Blacks and latinos.
    The 10% attributed to ‘Whites’ contains non Whites and Muslim immigrants.
    Take a gander at ‘Thug Report.com’.
    Non Whites often are added to White in crime stats.

  4. lucky13

    EMS, remember yr ‘He killed because his wife left him’?
    Well whatever his motive, the welfare state helped him along.
    Most immigrants are ‘takers’.

  5. Just Ice

    Don’t we all have a duty to destroy skynet?

  6. Just Ice

    I’m surprised that you’re giving kudos to Bloomberg, a banker who just stated he wants to re-interpret the Fourth Amendment out of the Constitution in order to trade freedom for security. NYC has become a freak show of security after 9/11. The wizard knows that the Emerald City is one of the most unsustainable places on earth once the mint runs out of green ink and all the yellow bricks are gone.

    Seriously though, how about giving some credit to the minorities in their own communities?


    ELAINE: History is clear: civilizations and cities are safer when they are disarmed. Back in the late Middle Ages in cities and towns run by citizens and not nobility, they required people disarm at the town gates, for example.

  7. DeVaul

    Things are not much better here in Kentucky. Family murders every night in some country home here or there. Arsons out in the country and now in towns. Children playing with loaded guns and dying.

    Requests for concealed carry permits have gone through the roof. I cannot understand this at all. It is legal to carry a firearm here if it is not concealed. It is called “open carry”, and it is legal. Why would a person afraid of robbers want a “concealed weapon”? If I feel endangered on my scooter at night, I will carry a pistol, but have it in full view. That way, potential muggers will see it and think: “Let’s go after someone else.” I want to be left alone, not be involved in a shoot-out.

    Only criminals have need for concealed weapons. Law abiding citizens will carry their weapons in full view. Kentucky is going insane under Mitch the Chinese Spy McConnell. Everyone wants to be a 007 and blow someone away with their hidden weapon. It’s crazy.


    ELAINE: The GOP knows perfectly well they are encouraging this so they can have a race/ethnic/religious war. This is why I am fearful of all these nutty people armed to the teeth willing to butcher everyone else a la Iraq which sees mass murder every WEEK and sometimes, every DAY for ethnic/sexual/religious bigot reasons. Our gift to the Iraqi people.

  8. IAmSpartacus

    Yeah, I know; one step forward, two steps back; WTF, Rand?!? I hear he’s all in on amnasty for illegal aliens now, too; sure, I know, some Libertarians tend to lean towards open borders, but most of the Libertarians/Constitutional Conservatives that I know would like to see immigration law enforced. I’d had high hopes for Rand in 2016, after the filibuster, but, now, I just don’t know; maybe it’s back to the drawing board.

  9. John

    I think Rand is trying to be all things to all factions of the GOP. He knows that he cannot alienate the Romney,country-club, neocon, chickenhawk segments of the GOP, if he has any intention of running in 2016. I also think he learned the lessons of his father’s unwavering commitment to his stated principles, in terms of being seen as an enemy by the current overlords of our Assassination Nation.

    Rand isn’t perfect; Ron wasn’t perfect. But show me anyone else, besides Kucinich, who gives the first bit of a crap about stopping our out of control, jackbooted oligarchy. They’re simply not there.


    ELAINE: They were there once upon a time and were either assassinated or thrown into the Darkness like I was when they point out the obvious truth that Zionism is Naziism.

  10. IAmSpartacus

    John, We stood with Rand, now Rand has to decide where he stands. The REAL TEA party (not the co-opted NeoCon-SoCon version) Constitutional Conservatives/Libertarians are ascendent (at least, in my neck of the woods), and even if he gets the cash from the NeoCons, he will lose without our votes, just the same as Mittens did.


    ELAINE: I am glad you support the right to have abortions and not have the government in our bedrooms. Too bad most libertarians are confused about personal freedoms and rights.

  11. CK

    Most times, the apple lands near the tree, some times the tree is on a slope and the apple rolls a long ways away. Rand is not Ron. I suspect that Rand will turn out to be just another pol, bitten by the power over people bug.

  12. “who is arguing over a hedge cutting infraction” HEY! My property is protected by my constitutional rights! Along with my 2nd amendment rights, too! You have to draw the line somewhere and hedge infractions just might be the last line in the sand. You mar my hedge and I might just have to explode a pressure cooker next to your rose bush.

    ELAINE: No! Not the rose bushes!

  13. “I suspect Rand Paul was probably mentally picturing some black dude holding up a liquor store which is why he was comfortable with using a drone to annihilate said thief.”

    Yep. That’s exactly what I thought. The Pauls really are a blight on Libertarianism with their closeted and not-so-closeted racism and tentherism. And Rand Paul is known to be homophobic, too. Perhaps Ron also, but all I have to go by is that hotel suite scene in “Bruno.”

  14. Ziff house

    DeVaul: good grief, sounds just like that tv show. ” Justified” . In my whole life in Canada I’ve never faced a gun situation.

  15. emsnews

    I have been shot at more than once.

  16. John


    I don’t think its so much about neocon cash as it is not being stabbed in the back at the convention in 2016, as was done to Ron.


    The Pauls really are a blight on Libertarianism with their closeted and not-so-closeted racism and tentherism.

    I’ve never believed the Pauls to be racists, and I have no patience for racism, no matter who is doing it to whom. Please present evidence – and no, those newsletters from 2 decades ago do not count; that horse has been beaten long past death.

    As far as supporting the 10th Amendment, only racist Democrats assert that this is due to racism. Nullification of such Obama gems as the NDAA is a perfect use of the powers of the 10th Amendment. Then again, if it were not for Obama’s pigment and (more importantly) party affiliation, the leftists would be up in arms over NDAA.

    And Rand Paul is known to be homophobic, too.

    Citation needed, please. Difficulty: no Soros, no “Kos.”

    ELAINE: Perhaps you don’t see their obvious racism due to being not a black person.

  17. DeVaul

    I have only been shot at by shotguns stuffed with rocksalt, but I did have a double barrelled shotgun leveled at me and my survey crew in Eastern Kentucky one evening when we stumbled into some mountain man’s backyard. Fortunately, our chief engineer had a silver tongue, and we spent the rest of the evening drinking moonshine on his back porch.

    I kind of wish I lived in Canada. I think I might be treated better there, but I don’t really know that for sure.

  18. emsnews

    Just yesterday, a toddler shot her baby brother in a car because mommy left her gun with the safety off in the front seat. Another tot/tot near murder!

    Recently, an armed man with no police record shot and killed some people removing trees blocking the powerlines down somewhere in the southern half of the nation. There are a lot of people who are quick on the trigger or totally careless about their guns and in an emotional rush or due to utter disregard for dangers, end up killing people .

  19. John

    Perhaps you don’t see their obvious racism due to being not a black person.

    And perhaps what you call racism isn’t racism. Perhaps it really is NOT racist to believe that black and hispanic are truly equal to everyone else, and should be treated totally equally in the eyes of the law. No better; no worse.

    What about Asians? You can’t tell me they don’t look very different from Europeans, and even after decades here, they don’t lose their accents. Yet they come here, they bust their asses, they learn English, they stay off welfare, and they prosper. Where’s the oppressive honky white man holding them down? Simple. They refuse to be held down – so they aren’t.

    Real racism should be swiftly and harshly punished. But false accusations of racism demean those people who have suffered real racism. It is, however, a quick and simple way to discredit any political opponents. And that’s disgusting, not to mention insulting to countless people who’ve suffered at the hands of real racists.

  20. lucky13

    John, Brimelow wrote a best seller that got no good reviews and 530?
    bad reviews.
    He noted [I forget exact figgers] ‘90% of cambodian, Laotian [and Viet]
    require a lot of govt $ once they reach USA.

    re: they bust their asses, they learn English, they stay off welfare, and they prosper. [NPR notes 20% of Koreans in USA are illegals].

    i know a Chinese woman who confided in me ‘there are 2 groups I dont like
    working for, Chinese and Jews. They are so cheap [and perhaps other
    negative things, I will add].
    Chinese here w $ had to push so hard to get rich.’!!!!!

  21. rps

    Let’s stop covering up the truth and admit that men are violent. We don’t need to know color, age, religion or income. The truth is simple; men are out of control. We are inundated with male violence from fictional infotainment violence to real violence: male perpetuated wars, on the streets and in the homes killing women and children.

    According to the FBI: Of the offenders for whom gender was known, 90.3 percent were males (2010).

    Number of U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan and Iraq: 6,614:

    Number of women, in the same period, killed as the result of domestic violence in the US: 11,76

    SC 2nd in US in rate of women murdered by men:”Where weapon use could be determined, firearms were the most common weapon used by males to murder females (849 of 1,622 homicides or 52 percent). Of these, 70 percent (597 of 849) were committed with handguns. In cases where the victim to offender relationship could be identified, 94 percent of female victims (1,571 out of 1,669) were murdered by someone they knew. Of these, 65 percent (1,017 out of 1,571) were wives or intimate acquaintances of their killers. Sixteen times as many females were murdered by a male they knew than were killed by male strangers. In 88 percent of all incidents where the circumstances could be determined, the homicides were not related to the commission of any other felony, such as rape or robbery,” the report stated.

    Simply, men have proven they are violent in patriarchal societies. The world patriarchy experiment is a violent, deadly and miserable Failure. Time for women to balance the scales.

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