Both Black, White And Hispanic Lawlessness Leads To Internal Wars And Destruction Of Civil Liberties

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Black demonstrator is right, alas, cops and whites kill far, far fewer blacks than blacks in the hood.

 

The government, trying to appease the black community, lifted the curfew last night and so the demonstrators refused to go home after midnight and yet another battle was waged.  Attorney General Eric Holder headed to Ferguson to pour more gasoline on this fire.  As our country descends into chaos, what is interesting to me is NO labor battles are raging, no efforts after OWS was suppressed, at organizing across racial/religious lines.  Instead, we have Bundy in Nevada defying the Obama government and talking racist and Al Sharpton, a man who tried to get ME, specifically, killed for a speech I gave in Bedford-Stuy in NYC, talking racist, trying to start a race war.

 

Way back in the Ice Ages of the 1970’s, I was invited by a black church to give a speech about crime and how to deal with the police successfully.  While I was there talking about how to make neighborhoods safe, Al Sharpton, at this point unknown in the media, entered the auditorium with some goons and proceeded to tell everyone ‘She is part of the KKK!’  But luckily for me, an elderly man stood up with his cane in hand and announced, ‘Yes, and I am the Grand Dragon.’  Which made everyone laugh.

 

This was before the Tawana Brawley affair, who faked rape.  Last year, Brawley  begins defamation payments 25 years later while being totally unapologetic over her attempt at framing a local prosecutor in NY state.  Even though she concocted the entire event herself, she still feels she, not the prosecutor, is the victim.

 

Attempts at appeasing the rioters and attacking them is leading to more chaos due to no one having any idea how to fix this mess socially:  Two shot as gunfire rings out in Ferguson on NINTH night of violence | Mail Online

 

Two shot as violence descends on Ferguson for NINTH night: Gas mask-clad reporters look on as cops fire tear gas at Molotov cocktail-wielding protesters in scenes resembling war zoneAs officers sat with guns pointed atop armored vehicles, the authorities used LRAD (Long Range Acoustic Device) crowd control systems to send out a painful noise to try and disperse the crowd.

 

More than 30 people were arrested overnight as police officers struggled to keep the situation under control, according to CNN.

 

At a press conference early on Tuesday morning, Highway Patrol Captain Ron Johnson defended police actions overnight, including the decision to begin clearing the streets, during which several journalists were taken into custody…Missouri Highway Patrol Captain Ron Johnson – who took over patrol in Ferguson as of Thursday night – told CNN later that two demonstrators were shot, but not by police, and had been transported to hospital.

 

To all those here who are mad a me for trying to explain that race riots over murky issues are dangerous as well as destructive, just remember that the DOJ and Obama said nothing and did nothing for all the OWS demonstrators who were most definitely not violent, when they were violently suppressed and removed and beaten, etc.  He didn’t care one bit that their civil rights were violated.

 

Backing down in the Bundy affair also was stupid and I was against that, too.  Lawlessness is dangerous and I know this better than most because I have lived in lawlessness and it sucks.  The white racists loved the fact that Bundy and his fascist friends got away with waving guns at the Feds.  This was a HUGE mistake of the Feds.

 

Here is an event in New Jersey that happened yesterday, where I used to live, caused again by a black person jaywalking:  Moment driver was brutally attacked by the family of man he hit and killed while driving without a license

 

Investigators say they don’t believe that Chacon was speeding nor was he under the influence. It appears as though Martin walked into the path of the moving SUV.

 

Cell phone footage of the dreadful event shows people punching Cachon until he was badly injured and on the ground.  Footage also shows a few bystanders trying to pull people off of Chacon until the police arrived…

 

This isn’t the first time Chacon has gotten into driving trouble. He was cited twice for driving without his license and even though he was eligible for reinstatement in December he failed to pay the $100 fee.

 

The Hispanic guy was ignoring laws and dissing the courts.  The black family that tried to beat him to death were also ignoring the law, too.  This is lawless crashing into lawless and note that lynch mobbing was the result.  All parties here were ignoring laws designed to make us safer.  This isn’t the only case of blacks beating people nearly to death when they hit jaywalkers or blacks deliberately running in front of vehicles.

 

Just last April, a White Man Beaten By Mob In Detroit After Hitting Boy With Truck: Was It A Hate Crime? « CBS Detroit

 

State Rep. Alberta Tinsley Talabi (D-Detroit), told WWJ Legal Analyst Charlie Langton the incident appears to have racial overtones, adding, “it’s wrong.”

 

Joseph Utash said although it was tough to stomach, he watched video of the incident.

 

“It shows the kid, he was standing on the curb with his dad and as my dad’s truck was coming down the street, the kid stepped right in front of my dad’s truck. My dad had absolutely not one chance in the world to try to swerve out-of-the-way or stop,” he said. “He got out of the car to check on the kid and before he even got up to the kid, he got assaulted by 11, 12 people. They jumped all over him and beat him up. While they were jumping him, somebody else jumped in the truck and stole his belongings. They took his wallet, his cellphone, everything out of his truck.”.

 

..Joseph Utash said he believes his father was intentionally targeted or even worse, that skin color might have played a role. Based on witness accounts, the attackers were African American.
“I’ve talked to one Detroit police officer and I think that, personally in my own heart, I think it was all a setup from the gate,” he said, “meaning that my dad’s been driving up and down Morang for 15, 16 years working for the same company and they know he has a job, they know he has money and they robbed him. You know, he had a bag with all his stuff in it. He showed me that he had all this money in his wallet that morning, telling me he just took the money out of the bank so he could pay his dentist.
“As far as a hate crime, it might be,” he said. “You know, it’s like you go in Detroit and you’re white, you don’t belong. Seriously. I’ve been pulled over by police before and they’re like ‘Get back across 8 Mile,’ like I’m not supposed to be over there, like I’m not allowed to go in Detroit.”

 

There were no white riots after that event but many called for Obama and his buddy running the DOJ to investigate so…Beating of driver by angry mob after he accidentally ran over young boy ruled NOT a hate crime by Detroit police with Holder saying everything is OK.  This, in turn, fed white fury on the right.  As everyone feels victimized and the President shows no concern over citizens who are not black like him, we get a backlash from hell.

 

Here is another example of mob rule: 2010:  The Trial – The New Yorker

 

Despite the prominence of the demonstration’s (against a trial for 9/11 Gitmo prisoners) organizers, the campaign against Holder’s Justice Department was largely overlooked by the national media, which considered the event a fringe affair. But the anger was growing, and it became impossible to ignore on January 19th, when Scott Brown, a Republican, captured the Senate seat left vacant by the death of Edward Kennedy, the Massachusetts Democrat. As Eric Fehrnstrom, Brown’s political consultant, put it to me recently, the “most potent political issue” in the race was voter opposition to the Justice Department’s decision to extend customary legal protections to suspected terrorists such as Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Nigerian suspect who on Christmas Day attempted to detonate a bomb on a Northwest Airlines passenger plane bound for Detroit. In a debate with his Democratic opponent, Martha Coakley, Brown declared, “We’re at war in our airports, we’re at war in our shopping malls. I have to be honest with you, folks. . . . I’m scared at some of the policies I’ve heard.”

 

Again, the DOJ and Obama backed down!  Politicians from both parties squelched the trials.  This is more mob rule and has nothing to do with the Constitution or civil rights.  We are killing our democracy and these riots are simply another facet of this riddle.  Too many don’t want others to have civil rights!  Black, white, whatever religion, more and more people want a dual privilege system whereby laws don’t apply to them, when they can lynch anyone they target and no one is supposed to stop them.

 

I remember the white riots during the enactment of Civil Rights Act laws when the military had to come in to force desegregation of the schools.  Today, there is chaos.  The government has no idea what to do because it doesn’t want to really enforce the laws and hatred is rising rapidly and I predict a huge GOP victory this next election because of all this.  And by the way, many far right wing white racists were very illegal and violent thanks to the Fanning the Flames of Waco where these racists made up stories that the Feds started the fires there when it is obvious that the fanatics did this suicidally which led to the Oklahoma City bombing later by equally deranged fanatics.

 


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  1. Jim R

    It starts at the top. Weapons of Mass Destruction, invasion and occupation on false pretexts, LIBOR manipulation, NINJA loans, robosigning fraudclosure, rehypothecation. Diebold. Insider trading, shitty deals. Regulators looking the other way. No consequences for any of these things.

    Although not everyone on the street can tell you much about any of these stories, there is a sense of lawlessness about, and an obviously broken economy.

    These things happen when empires fail.

  2. charlottemom

    Agree w jim
    Looting on wall street and looting at ghetto stores. The feds didnt stop the looting on the top but now theyve put themselves in charge of “preventing”local looting
    God help the middle class. The lower classes were already losing and now the middle class will suffer. What does it mean that holder is coming to ferguson to take charge. Obama is nowhere to be found . Ive read the jesse jackson and rev al were booed and run off. True?

  3. luc

    Elaine, I agree that Holder and Sharpton are the enemy of all [Black folks included]. The ‘undertow’ believes :

    -All Whites are the enemy
    -Blacks rarely kill other Blacks
    -Police regularly kill Blacks
    -Most imprisoned Blacks are innocent
    -Blacks are kept out of good jobs unfairly.

    Hence ‘no snitch’ and ‘block voting’ on juries.

  4. JimmyJ

    Hat-tip to Saker blog, a long but revealing series of youtube interviews with law educator Jacob Cohen, born a Moroccan Jew but later becoming a deliberate, staunch anti-Zionist. He talks openly of Mossad techniques for building Zionist adherents and sympathisers.

    Even if you listen to only the first one it’s a fascinating insight. “Israel is drunk with power. You begin to think “we are the master of the world”. I know the Israeli society, they behave like Gods.They talk to [Obama] the people like they were their servants.” He completely confirms everything Elaine says.

    Wiki on Jacob Cohen (translated from French, no english version):
    http://goo.gl/hWCGgY

    Jacob Cohen Youtube interviews:
    http://goo.gl/jb13cI

  5. DeVaul

    It’s not really fair to blame the loss of civil rights on demonstrators and rioters when our civil rights have all but been eliminated by the government that does not represent any of us below the fabled 1%, and the elimination of these civil rights occurred years ago — long before the current rioting de jour.

    One might even say that the rioting and looting are the last resort for poor people who have lost all of their civil rights and now have nothing left to lose except their lives, which apparently aren’t all that great.

  6. emsnews

    Except this rioting has been going on for YEARS, good times and bad.

    What is worse is, it always causes huge backlashes.

  7. DeVaul

    The erosion of our civil and basic human rights has not been going on for years as well?

    As for backlashes, you mean like the one the Egyptian demonstrators suffered when they ignored the curfew set by our junta? Why is it ok for Egyptians to defy the law, but black Americans cannot?

  8. DeVaul

    Another black man is dead in Ferguson. He approached police with a knife and told them to shoot him and kill him, which they did. The code word for justifying this kind of murder is acting “erratically”. This is often how Deaf people are killed when they “act erratically”, but that’s another topic.

    The police were in no real danger, and they knew it. In the past, they would have backed away and tried to calm him down or if necessary, shoot him in the leg and then call an ambulance. Oh, I forgot, both of their tasers were not working because… well, we don’t know, do we?

    Police in Ferguson are more than happy to shoot a suicide-by-police wannabe because, well, they like killing people. It does not shock them or cause them any distress to kill someone now, and that is a big statement about our society at this time in history.

    http://rt.com/usa/181452-st-louis-shooting-ferguson/

  9. DeVaul

    More disturbing photos of our (police with bluejeans? paramilitary forces? mercenaries? MP’s? Marines with “Trooper” stenciled on their chests?) law enforcement thugs at work. No doubt it is all propaganda, according to JT.

    http://rt.com/usa/181248-ferguson-tear-gas-shots/

    Nothing to see here. Keep moving.

  10. e sutton

    This from Karl Denninger today:

    “Despite Ferguson’s relative poverty, fines and court fees comprise the
    second largest source of revenue for the city, a total of 2,635,400,” according to the ArchCity Defenders report. And in 2013, the Ferguson Municipal Court issued 24,532 arrest warrants and 12,018 cases, “or about 3 warrants and 1.5 cases per household.”

    ****and***

    “A Ferguson court employee reported, for example, that “the bench routinely starts hearing cases 30 minutes before the appointed time and then locks the doors to the building as early as five minutes after the official hour, a practice that could easily lead a defend net arriving even slightly late to receive an additional charge for failure to appear.”

    Looks like the Ferguson police department enjoys harassing black folk in their spare time. And the county sure doesn’t mind because for them it means more cash to buy lots and lots more toys! Elaine, you have said that the sins our country has committed over seas would come back to visit us on these shores. How right you were. Anyone who hasn’t noticed the encroachment of the Police State on our cities, especially since 9/11, is clearly either not paying attention or is a few cents short of a dollar.

  11. emsnews

    Ferguson has been collapsing for the last 40 years. It is desperate for money because regular taxes are on people who have nothing to give so it is all ‘fines’ and this is a problem with ALL ‘black’ cities.

    Housing is too cheap to tax, properties are abandoned, schools graduate less than 30% of the students and so on and on and on.

    This is the decline of the very bottom which has basically fallen out entirely. While the elites get richer.

    But how do we fix this???? I know for absolutely certain, burning and looting one’s home town is the dead last thing one should do or encourage.

  12. Christian W

    The way to fix it is to take control over Washington again and pursue sane and sustainable policies. Naturally the elites will not let that happen. The elites ran out of ideas ca 2001 (note the year); they had no way to start the economy again (that is – the idea of eternal growth) so they went with the only option left to them (with their demented minds), to start looting their own support systems. Next they will try to do this on a global scale (TTP, TTIP etc) and turn everything beneath them to ashes (see Ferguson, Detroit, Camden, Fukushima, Iralyq, Libya, Syria, Ukraine (followed by the rest of Europe and the US) etc etc etc) as long as they can keep the illusion of their ever increasing wealth and power going.

    All systems are rotten now. The political landscape is so corrupt even words like Liberal and Conservative have completely lost any meaning (they only have reference to what they used to mean once upon a time, their dictionary definition, which is meaningless in the here and now).

    So, you cannot fight the elites directly, because fighting them only gives them energy to destroy you even faster. You cannot vote against them, because voting within this corrupt system they control, again only feeds them the energy of fake credibility, which they use pretend they have the people behind them so they can pursue their insane policies under cover of democratic majority. In reality the democratic majority most certainly have never, ever, voted for their insane policies and will never, ever be given the opportunity to vote against them. They control the system so completely they will not let votes change the system.

    What is then left? Complete refusal to work within the corrupt systems of the elites. Strikes and general organization. Solidarnoch… A genuine, popular uprising which by no means has to be violent, it probably is essential that it isn’t violent. The unity of the masses against the tiny elite. The opposite of being divided and conqurered and split along religious, ethnic and class divides.

    You can see why the elites work so hard to divide Americans. The individual is stressed at all times (Darwin’s “survival of the fittest principle” – if you are “red in tooth and claw” you are a successful individual). Ethnicity is stressed at all times (which community do you belong to? Are you Black, White, Indian, with subdivisions within the divisions – Irish, Italian etc etc), class (middle class? working class? but never the elite class which is always only talked about as the successful job creators etc and are to be hero worshipped). Not to mention religion and so on.

    They are turning everybody into Palestinians. Stateless, without rights, without genuine representation, without freedoms, completely surrounded and monitored, with the whole might of the Militarized State turned against us. The only representation we are allowed are the Al Sharpton/Bill Clinton/Obama/John Kerry types, self serving individuals with no decency or spine to them whatsoever.

  13. e sutton

    @Christian W,
    They’re worse than spineless and indecent. They are duplicitous traitors who can only be destroyed by depriving them of their financial means of control. Ultimately, that means loss of the dollar as the world reserve currency. Our role in this as American is limiting our economic activity to deprive the system of our participation in the economy. Of course, when you have no $$$, this isn’t hard to do.🙂

    I saw an older (50’s or 60’s) black lady in Ferguson who said to a reporter, “The eyes of the world are on us.” Isn’t it interesting that the “peace talks” broke down between Israel and the Palestinians today? Has Bibi decided this is a good time to complete his “final solution”? Other world leaders are watching how the PTB are handling this latest explosion in America. I’m thinking Putin is laughing his ass off now that Obama is getting a little taste of what’s going on in Ukraine right about now.

  14. luc

    ‘I know for absolutely certain, burning and looting one’s home town is the dead last thing one should do or encourage.’ What caused the fall of Detroit
    [which had been USAs richest city]? The Blacks rioting and the White flight.
    I kid you not.

  15. emsnews

    And #1: globalization and removal of union jobs to former slave states that make union organizing impossible.

    And THAT is the key: the death of the unions since Reagan.

    Workers are much poorer, valued manufacturing jobs are gone, forever. Our cities lie in ruins. And the media and black leaders are falling all over themselves to produce race riots which is COUNTERPRODUCTIVE IN THE EXTREME.

    Yes, this makes the rich, richer and the poor more helpless, not the reverse.

    OWS I fully supported and I was totally against the violent suppression of it but it has nothing to do with race riots after some violent thug dies after attacking a white person or going nuts and freaking out in the streets.

    Seriously, the massive murder of black people, this week dozens of blacks died due to black on black violence, is being ENCOURAGED, not stopped by the media owners and politicians, both black and white.

  16. emsnews

    http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/08/18/right-wing-media-push-black-on-black-crime-cana/200467
    Here is a very stupid, pig headed Media Matters story about how evil it is for right wing media to talk about black on black crime:

    ‘Right-wing media emphasized the supposed prevalence of “black-on-black” violence in response to the shooting death of unarmed black teen Michael Brown by a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri. But such emphasis takes the crime statistics out of context in order to hype the racial aspect.’

    I like the ‘supposed…black on black violence’ part of this story!

    It isn’t supposed, it is very, very hard and very, very real. All statistics clearly show in all cities that black on black crime is huge, a massive part of the crime picture.

    And what is the ‘context’ of black on black crime? Media Matters doesn’t deign to tell us. That is astonishing yet hilarious. So much for ‘analysis’ on the left.

  17. luc

    Elaine, I dont get to ‘Salon Slate Huffpo’ much but from stories elsewhere I ‘get’ that any ‘Race Realist’ is a racist or Uncle Tom to those dunderheads.
    How dare any White get that Trayvon was a violent thug. Here
    http://www.topix.com/forum/city/jacksonville-fl/T3VET66FM3JBN8BBC

  18. luc

    Make that 100K as there are 3x as many rapes as there are ‘reported rapes’.

  19. luc

    from Topix,

    • According to the latest US Department of Justice survey of crime victims, more than 6.6 million violent crimes (murder, rape, assault and robbery) are committed in the US each year, of which about 20 per cent, or 1.3 million, are inter-racial crimes.

    • Most victims of race crime—about 90 per cent—are white, according to the survey “Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims”, published in 1993.

    • Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey.

    • Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the number of violent racial crimes of whites.

    • According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks.
    http://www.ourcivilisation.com/usa/racewar.ht

  20. luc

    For those who have NOT noticed whats on TV, Blacks are over represented and usually shown as ‘Magical’. In ads, films, TV, Blacks are oh so wise and wonderful.

    from the Web;

    It’s so dishonest, Hollywood insiders call it the “Black Angel” issue. Every Black is portrayed as a saint, an educator or just simply the only truly good and decent human being.
    The point about Hollywood being over-inclusive with Blacks is a fact. It’s not only policy, but has risen to absurd levels. No Blacks are every portrayed accurately unless it is on the show COPS.
    How recent is the Hollywood must include blacks thing? Last 10 years? 15?
    Last night I couldn’t sleep and ended up watching a series of made for TV movies from 1994 based on Smokey & The Bandit on cable. It struck me after a while that there were no blacks anywhere to be seen. An Asian guy shows up as a clerk in one, but that’s it, good guys, bad guys, everyone’s white. Not even the extras and these things were filmed on location southeast of Charlotte NC. Even the other series that also came out of the “Action Pack” that these originally aired with sooner or later had blacks turn up in them (Hercules The Legendary Journeys, Xena, Cleopatra 2525, a couple other things).

    They’re a little cheesy and have some plot holes, and you have to overlook The Bandit driving a Dodge Stealth, but they were fun to watch.

    Then again the original Smokey only has one black guy that I remember – and that was a bit part as a gas pump jockey. … oh, wait, there was a gag with Jackie Gleason being shocked that another county sheriff turns out to be a black guy. Damn, even that movie has to stick it in a bit showing a black guy more competent than a white guy.

    I posed this question last year, and was ridiculed for being a
    “racist”. Anyway, a year later I’m seeing more and more blacks on
    TV commercials. I figured it must be my imagination, so I went to
    google and typed in the question. …….why are there so many
    blacks on tv commercials…….

    I got several million hits. Below are a few samples that show I’m
    not the only intelligent person who has noticed the upsurge.

    ———————————————-

    How come its mostly all blacks people in all the commercials on TV?

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100611025101AAnLl0X

    Have you noticed the proliferation of black people on television
    commercials

    http://www.much-about.info/page8/

    why so many blacks on television

    http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/TC5J689NVDHHPGB77

    Why So Many Blacks In Commercials?

    http://liberalforum.org/liberalforum/index.php?/topic/129915-why-so-many-blacks-in-commercials/

  21. Jim R

    luc,

    The fall of Detroit was obviously caused by one, and only one, thing: the offshoring of its manufacturing. The factories were the whole reason for Detroit to be a big wealthy city through most of the 20th century.

    When remaining residents of Detroit rioted, the city was already dead and rotten. That was like the explosion of a beached whale, long after it has died. Nothing is going to re-animate either Detroit or St. Louis. They are stinking dead beached whales.

    I’m not sure which of Orlov’s stages of collapse this represents, but we are pretty close to where the Soviet Union was in 1989.

    ΩΩΩ

    ELAINE: White flight began in the early 1970’s after the race riots there.

  22. vengeur

    Sorry JimR, there was no offshoring in 1967. It was booming. The black riots killed the city socially spiritually. Massive imports of Japanese cars weakened it, offshoring in the last 20 yrs is , like you say, what finally killed it.

  23. Jim R

    Sorry veng, there was offshoring.

    Imports of Japanese cars amount to offshoring. Instead of being manufactured in Detroit, they were made elsewhere. In theory, the government has some control over this situation. You know, tariffs and such. Things that give the Randians the shivers.

    But, no, there was no interest in keeping the industrial base here. Of course, the auto industry could have used some other improvements which weren’t going to happen. Not in the ’70s and really not in the ’80s under Reagan.

  24. luc

    Jim, when the Whites ran the town died. I agree that offshoring is much of The USAs problem.

    and

    http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2014/08/all-we-do-crumbles-to-ground-though-we.html

  25. luc

    refuse to see that : 38% of Blacks in St. Louis County & 60% of Blacks in City of St. Louis County are on EBT/Food Stamps

  26. vengeur

    Jim R, I see your point. But I don’t believe offshoring was a factor in the 67 (or was it 68) riot, especially in Detroit at the time. There were plenty of manufacturing jobs at the time. It really was booming during the Vietnam War. It was, I believe the very peak of the Detroit auto industry. I grew up in Detroit. The big flood in offshoring came more than a decade after the riot in Detroit. The city itself NEVER recovered from that riot.

  27. Jim R

    “ΩΩΩ

    ELAINE: White flight began in the early 1970’s after the race riots there.”

    … but then they had Motown … didn’t the entertainment ‘industry’ make up for it? (sarc)

  28. Jim R

    vengeur, Hmm, interesting.

    Yeah, white flight has been going on most of the second half of the 20th century to tell the truth. The blacks came to Detroit in the very early part of the century, _because_ of the industrial jobs there and the lack of them in the South.

    And now the area is strangely full of Arabs. What sort of cultural legacy will that leave, I wonder? Mosques, with their skinny towers, I suppose. But what else? Or will they vanish in turn, as well?

  29. luc

    And now the area is strangely full of Arabs….Dearborn.

  30. Jim R

    Y’all realize that what you’ve been saying about Detroit is self-contradictory, right?

    The 70’s … ahh, those were the good years, peak prosperity for Detroit. The auto industry was making more money than ever.
    … so apparently any riots that happened in the LBJ/Vietnam era did *not* have a deleterious effect. Gee, our old LaSalle ran great. Those were the days.

    One thing is certain — vacant lots and a complete lack of infrastructure mean there are no riots now. They’ve outsourced the whole city, haha.

    I expect St. Louis to follow a similar course. It has been economically ravaged over the last several decades as well. The Busch family is no longer interested in running the brewery, so it’s been sold off to a European company … the auto plants, of course, have closed. The aerospace company merged up with Boeing in Seattle and closed there. The biggest remaining company may be Monsanto. Elaine already posted a picture showing vacant lots and abandoned houses in that St. Louis suburb, so it is only a little behind Detroit in its decline.

    America has been sold down the river since at least the Reagan administration.

  31. emsnews

    Cheaper foreign imports have destroyed our economic base. End of story.

    Blacks are just the outlier that is hit the hardest. But it is hitting everyone more and more each decade.

  32. Jim R

    Blacks in the USA remain on the lower rungs of the economic ladder. For a variety of historical reasons, which everyone here knows…
    In Ukraine, the trouble makers are whiter than white.

    What they have in common is that they are poor. And unfortunately, poor people are frequently quite destructive. To their own neighborhoods. After the current eruption in Ukraine ends, it will be poorer than ever, because they have destroyed much of their own infrastructure and industrial base.

  33. emsnews

    Correct. As I keep pointing out, though, black populations here are the outliers. They have the family disintegration all Americans are increasingly suffering, they are increasingly unable to work at traditional jobs which is happening to everyone here as we are all outsourced and offshored.

  34. luc

    Elaine, I do not remember USA 60 years ago but the jobs Blacks then I believe were service jobs [cabbie, hairstylist, USPO, janitor]. These are not jobs lost to outsourcing but to insourcing. The cabbies are foreign born, the nannies are Latino, the folks working at the PO are Asians born there, moved here.
    Maybe you are right, the factory workers were black.

  35. DeVaul

    Jim R is right again:

    “The fall of Detroit was obviously caused by one, and only one, thing: the offshoring of its manufacturing. The factories were the whole reason for Detroit to be a big wealthy city through most of the 20th century.”

    The fall of Detroit, a city that mushroomed during the Industrial Age, was NOT destroyed by “white flight” or any other exodus of “good people”. A city that has no reason for being cannot support itself and is doomed. The rich always leave first because they can. Black middle class citizens also left.

    The exploding beached whale analogy is a perfect description of Detroit.

  36. @luc;

    And all these shows, movies and commercials show blacks, to a man / woman, as successful, even as you said, ‘magical.’ Which only fuels the rage of young black men who are neither.

  37. Mike Gibbs

    “Ferguson has been collapsing for the last 40 years. It is desperate for money because regular taxes are on people who have nothing to give so it is all ‘fines’ and this is a problem with ALL ‘black’ cities.

    Housing is too cheap to tax, properties are abandoned, schools graduate less than 30% of the students and so on and on and on.

    This is the decline of the very bottom which has basically fallen out entirely. While the elites get richer”. ..Just when I think you can’t possibly say anything smarter you come out with this Elaine;>) .

  38. John

    DeVaul,

    I was born in Detroit – in Dearborn, to be exact, in the late 60s. After the riots, everyone who wasn’t black wanted out. The only ones who didn’t leave were the ones who had no skillset to carry them elsewhere. The rise in imported autos ran concurrently to the death of Detroit, but was not the cause. White flight, combined with “progressive” economic and political policies, are what killed my hometown.

    I was there. You were not. luc is correct.

  39. DeVaul

    @John

    You seem to have an impressive political memory for a child who was only about 5 years old when the exodus started. I was five when my family left northern Kentucky, and yet I cannot remember what was going on there or in Cincinnati during my early childhood.

    Am I really supposed to believe that white auto workers making 40 to 60 dollars an hour on a high school education fled Detroit (to where, might I ask?) because of some riots in the black section of town? I don’t think so.

    “White flight” is the last refuge of the closet racist, in my opinion.

  40. DeVaul

    Seems Wikipedia shares my opinion:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight#.22New.22_white_flight

    Check out the section on “New White Flight”.

    It’s true. My Thai wife cannot find a single country on a world map — not the US or her home country. I had to show her where they were. In Thailand, they were only taught math, science, and Thai language and no history or anything else in school, which had to be paid for by borrowing money from loan sharks from first grade to graduation from high school. It is the same in China and all over Asia. They are expected to make money and go shopping after work. That’s it. They are not expected to know anything else.

    Sociologists then wonder why people who only know math and science cannot socialize with people from other countries. Amazing.

  41. emsnews

    The white flight was out of Detroit and INTO THE NEAR SUBURBS. They commuted to work but this became more and more difficult.

  42. melponeme_k

    And we look at all the abandoned ancients cities in Rome, Greece, Asia and the Americas and wonder why they fell.

    We have a front seat to the reason why. The exact same reasons why society is failing now, is how the Native American empires fell, how the Roman empire plus many more fell. Money and how the elites decide they have to get more for nothing which leads to a total breakdown in society.

  43. Jim R

    DeVaul,

    Unless you are living in Thailand, it sounds like your wife has socialized pretty well with someone from another country.

    As for sociology, when I took a course in it in college, it was mostly BS. It was the second-most BS course there was. Almost zero real science, and a lot of storytelling. Economics was the only thing worse.

    History and geography and art history and stuff were much better; they didn’t try to pretend to be science.

  44. DeVaul

    @ Jim R

    I totally agree. I did not last five minutes in Economics 101 at Marburg, West Germany before walking out in front of everyone mumbling that “this crap is for the birds”. It was downright stupid.

    My wife has had some success and many failures. Even though I am Deaf, I am a sociable person, so she gets to meet new people through me sometimes, but she is also disturbed by my willingness to befriend people that I don’t know everything about. For Asians, a big no-no.

    She still wants to socialize the Asian way, and I keep telling her that will not work here. It is so hard for Asians to change. It really is. She’s lucky I am a patient man. Other Thai women did not fare too well with their husbands.

    Since my wife was already a kind of outsider in her home country because of her desire to marry an American or European man (she wanted to have a monogamous relationship and could not bear the Thai tradition of men having second wives, like her father had) she has managed better than others, but she is still lonely and just the other day she told me she did not like any of the Thai people she had met here. She had one good friend, but she had to move to Japan when her Japanese husband was recalled. That was several years ago.

    Since then she has struggled to make a new friend, as many Asians seem to always want something from you while giving nothing back, or just want to have a strictly formal relationship only. Also, she has suffered discrimination by white people, and when they find out I am Deaf, it does not help any and often makes it even worse. I think the discrimination by white people hurts her the most, and it hurts me too because I have no control over that. I also feel a little guilty, but in truth I did not expect that kind of attitude from people in this area.

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