As usual, I was right, everyone who defied the NATO propaganda machine were right and above all, Putin was telling the truth: the Dutch investigators of the downing of Flight MH17 on that magic number day in Ukraine, say that the plane was NOT brought down by a missile but was downed by jets shooting it. Except they don’t say exactly that, they weasel their words and let people figure this fact out, themselves.
MH17: ‘objects penetrated aircraft’:
Dutch investigators have concluded that MH17 was hit by “high-energy objects from outside the aircraft,” in the first official account of the crash. In a preliminary report the Dutch Safety Board said an “external cause” was the most likely explanation for the crash.
The DSB stopped short of saying the plane was shot down by a missile, as the US and Ukraine have claimed. Its findings, including several photographs, pointed to puncture marks “consistent with damage that would be expected from a large number of high-energy objects that penetrated the aircraft from outside”.
The report found no indications of manipulation of the flight recorders which were handed over to Malaysian officials four days after the crash.
Communication with the pilots stopped abruptly. “No distress messages were received from the aircraft,” it said.
The DSB found no evidence of any technical problems or issues with the crew. Communication with the crew gave no indication there was anything abnormal about the flight, it said.
Three other airliners could have met the same fate MH17 as air traffic controllers tried to clear traffic minutes before it was shot down. Three other commercial flights, unidentified in the report, were in the close vicinity – two other Boeing 777s and one Airbus A330 planes, the report found.
The DSB is due to publish its full report within a year, but it is not expected to apportion blame. Its chairman, Tjibbe Joustra, said: “More research will be necessary to determine the cause with greater precision.”
The Guardian, a ‘liberal’ paper that is really fascist when it comes to certain propaganda points with the EU, admits the Dutch report says ‘a LARGE NUMBER of high energy objects’ hit the plane. Now, a missile is one object. A machine gun mounted on a fighter jet unleashes large numbers of high energy objects.
It has been obvious from the first week that the plane was gunned down, not hit by a ground to air missile. The photos at the top of this story show clearly that the gunners aimed for the flight crew. This is a war crime…by a NATO puppet regime.
Year One Malaysia: MH17: Bullet Holes & Fighter Jet
NEW MH17 SENSATION: German experts point finger at Ukrainian air-force jets.
This is what a German pilot-cum-air technology expert Peter Haisenko has just published on the subject of the MH17 disaster (my emphases):
‘The misfortune of the Malaysian MH 017 is known to all. The flight recorder is in England and is being evaluated. What can come of this? May be more than you want to accept….if you look at the image of Cockpit-Fragments, this picture is certainly shocking.
Entry And Exit holes from bullets in the area of the Cockpit. This is not speculation, but analysis of clear facts: the cockpit shows clear evidence of bullet holes. You can see the entry holes and some exit points. The edges of the bullet holes are bent inwards, these are much smaller and round in shape. A 30mm calibre. The exit holes are less well formed and the edges are torn outwards. Furthermore it is visible that the exit holes have torn the double aluminium skin and bent them outwards. That is to say, splinters from inside the cockpit blew through the outside of the cabin. The open rivets have also been bent outwards….There is only one conclusion one can make, and that is that this: the aircraft was not hit by a missile. The damage to the aircraft is exclusively in the cockpit area….
Armour-Piercing Ammunition. Russia has published radar data that a Ukranian SU 25 was close to MH 017. this corresponds with Spanish air traffic control that two Ukranian fighter aircraft were in direct contact with MH 017. Examine the weaponry of the SU 25: it is fitted out with a 30mm cannon Type GSch-302 /AO-17A, with 250 rounds of splintering exploding bullets on a belt – shrapnel rounds. The cockpit of MH 017 was hit from TWO sides, as there are entry and exit holes on the same side….’ Very compelling stuff, is it not?
Now read this (also German) article by defence expert Bernd Biederman, who offers equally sound reasons why the shooting down could NOT have been from a surface to air missile:
“.the shooting down of the Malaysian Boeing on July 17 in the Eastern Ukraine “could not have been hit by a surface to air defense missile” .
This is the assessment of retired Colonel Bernd Biedermann in an article for the daily newspaper published in Berlin “new Germany” (Thursday edition). Had splinters from a surface to air missile hit the plane, it would have immediately caught fire, argues the NVA anti-aircraft missile specialist. His reasoning is because of the “enormous frictional heat that the splinters generate on penetrating the fuselage. A single splinter contains the same kinetic energy as a 40-ton freight car hitting the buffers at 60 kilometers per hour.” In the case of the Malaysian Boeing, scattered fires had broken out after the impact with the ground, because hot debris from the aircraft had come in contact with combustible materials.
Here is the Bilderberg NYT report: ‘High-Energy Objects’ Hit Jet Over Ukraine, Report Says
A preliminary report released on Tuesday supports theories that the plane was brought down over a contested part of Ukraine in July by a missile fired from the east.
Obviously, they are sticking to their stupid story. How one missile can create ‘many high impact objects’ is not addressed. At the other warmongering rag, the Washington Post, this is a lower down headline, tucked neatly away: Malaysian plane broke up after being hit by high-energy objects, report says but like the NYT, they focus on anything but the possibility that the plane was gunned down:
Dutch investigators were not able to freely access the crash site because of the situation in war-torn Ukraine.
Russia warns that it may block international flights from its airspace because of the illicit sanctions and the warmongering, ‘shoot down planes and blame Putin’ game being played. The WP snippily snaps, this will have a negative effect on Russia.
The warmongers at the Huffington Post which isn’t liberal anymore but is rather, a statist propaganda outfit, has this headline: MH17 Broke Apart Due To External Factors, Experts Say. It is a very, very short story. The barest facts. Some people are now reduced to claiming that the holes in the front of the plane were caused by a missile that for some reason, breaks apart BEFORE hitting something which is ridiculous because that would cause a circular shaped damage area, not straight lines.
The pattern we see in the above photos show clearly that the holes are spaced evenly apart in multiple diagonal rows.
In other news, Hollande poll rock bottom: 85% oppose 2nd term as EU governments become wildly unpopular as the leaders warmonger and open borders to let in floods of aliens. Going to war is how unpopular leaders save themselves but one has to go to war against weaker, not stronger, nations. Russia isn’t weak. It is solvent unlike much of the EU and it has a huge military which can easily annihilate all of Europe and perhaps, the US.
For the last year, 9/11 Link To Saudi Arabia Is Topic Of 28 Redacted Pages In 9/11 Report…as the Campaign Mounts to Declassify 9/11 Report’s References to Alleged Saudi/CIA involvement…back at the beginning of August, Former Senator Says Huge Breakthrough Is Coming With Classified 9/11 materials …which never happened. Why hasn’t Obama kept promise to declassify 28 pages of a report about 9/11 …asks on paper today.
So, we are not supposed to know the real story of 9/11 because Bush family friends, the bin Ladens, and US allies, the Saudis, did this to us. The CIA wanted 9/11 to succeed so this would motivate Americans to go into several suicidal wars with Muslims and the Pentagon wanted this which is why, even though they always shadow any planes that EVER stray out of control and out of flight plans but NOT on 9/11, they too, wanted war.
The clue is obvious to me: Rumsfeld made the fighter jets stand down during the entire attack until one of the planes hit the Pentagon, itself. Then he woke up and ordered them all to take flight.
Keeping secrets is how the war machine runs and using civilian aircraft as war objects is a top game plan for warmongers.
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“Keeping secrets is how the war machine runs and using civilian aircraft as war objects is a top game plan for warmongers.”
Yes, and before that it was ocean liners…the Lusitania
You gotta understand, these things take a while. They still haven’t figured out who shot JFK, for example.
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Israel accused of forcibly deporting Sudanese migrants.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/10/world/middleeast/thousands-of-migrants-forced-to-leave-israel-rights-group-says.html?hpw&rref=world&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpHedThumbWell&module=well-region®ion=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well
They don’t allow sob stories to dilute Israel AND they built a steel fence to stop illegal aliens.
Ukraine’s Choreographed Civil War, As Revealed By Wikileaks
— ZeroHedge
The story you have to refute is that the russian missile involved explodes in the ‘ vicinity’ of the target sending off shrapnel.
from ‘wikped’
A proximity fuse aboard the missile determines when it will detonate, creating an expanding fragmentation pattern of missile components and warhead to intercept and destroy the target. A proximity fuse improves the “probability of kill” given the missile and target closure rates, which can be more than 3,000 km/h (1,900 mph) (or more than 900 m/s (3,000 ft/s)).
According to actual professional airline pilots, the maneuvering necessary to have flown into the Pentagon at the place of impact is almost impossible with the plane assumed to have hit it. I want to know who had ‘positions’ on Malaysian Airlines before the shoot down?
What I want to know is what the real purpose of the first missing Malaysian airplane was. It was headed for Beijing. Did NATO do a test run on this plane to see what would happen, knowing it could be “lost at sea”?
Was this plane supposed to trigger tensions with China somehow?
One missing plane might be a sad coincidence, but two planes gone for reasons officially “unkown” is not a coincidence.
Like someone said above, using passenger jets to start wars is just a sick and deranged repeat of using passenger or military ships to start wars.
“History does not repeat itself, but it does ryhme.” — Mark Twain
I can finally see what he is saying now.
@DeVaul
There was cargo on the first airliner that the USA would not allow to land in China. The prevention of State embarrassment is worth ending any number of civilian’s existences.
Those are not 30mm bullet holes.
They’re not round enough or smooth enough to have been created by a projectile traveling that fast, and spinning. High speed, spinning bullets make round holes, and even if impacting at an angle they slice through non-armor plated metals like aluminum.
If you web search for “50 caliber steel plate penetration” you can see how 12.5mm bullets cook through steel, nevermind how 30mm bullets traveling faster would slice rounder holes through a thinner, weaker aluminum airplane.
http://closefocusresearch.com/test-samples
Funny how the propaganda B.S. is getting really thick around MH-17.
Look, anti-aircraft missiles that are radar guided attack from the front, just like this one did. They have a proximity fuze that detonates right in front of the plane. So, the missile doesn’t have to hit the plane; it creates a “cloud” of shrapnel much larger in volume so that the plane is more likely to get “hit.” Then plane is brought down by all the little pieces of SHRAPNEL, traveling more slowly and obliquely than a spinning 30mm bullet, making all those little jagged holes you see in the front of that plane. . . holes that look “ripped” . . . holes that are not circular and melted through the edges, like a high speed, perfectly spinning bullet.
The most likely scenario is that MH-17 was a deliberately diverted cover-flight for spy-gear, perhaps signals intelligence gathering devices, with human shields on board, just like the downed KAL-007. Just the kind of signals intelligence gear that would really piss-off missile battery commanders who are trained to understand that their lives depend on not being located by electronic warfare capabilities, particularly in an active war zone.
Anyway, just like KAL-007 the Russians are going to get off the hook for deliberately shooting it down and the West won’t have to admit they flew unwitting human shields into a war zone. All the conspiracy theories and propaganda are just there to settle the dust over the “mystery.”
@ alaska, i like!
The collateral tragedy is that this self serving secrecy deprives the democratic process of the ability to demand their politicians fire the morons who decided to divert the flight.
Of course, they’ll tell themselves its so “the people” don’t get too riled up.
These secrecy rules need to be revised somewhat where they intersect with matters of public concern to the democratic process.
@ CK
Oh, I see. I did not know that. How convenient for Malaysia to cooperate so smoothly with our State Department. That makes them all war criminals — not that any of them care, of course.
I wonder what cargo was more embarrassing than the statements that regulary come out of the mouths of people like Nuland and Powers?
Maybe it was nothing more than a copy of a State Department phone call.
http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com/wiki/List_of_MH17_airframe_parts
The above website was an effort to collect photo evidence … I agree with Alaskan Ice, most of the holes are smaller than 30mm (except that very large hole in the cockpit), and I don’t see any exit holes. Seems likely it was a missile, but there isn’t any evidence about who fired it or from where.
Interestingly, Wikipedia had two different maps of Donbass around that time. One in a general article about Ukraine, showing rebel activity in just a couple small areas around Donetsk and Luhansk, with the rest of the country under the glorious Kiev junta. The plane went down in between, on Kiev-controlled land. The other map, in the article about the plane, showed a very large pink area of rebel activity, with the plane crash in the middle.
So clearly, the maps and facts change depending on what sort of story they are trying to tell.
But the bottom line, which none of the propagandists have acknowledged, is that the plane was operating under Kiev’s air traffic control. It did not crash over Poland and it did not crash over Russia. Therefore, the Ukraine ‘government’ was responsible.
Correction: Apparently SU-25s shoot HE more than AP rounds, and thus would have different visual entry characteristics than the ballistics I mentioned above. (those are more similar to AP rounds)
OFZ HEI 390 grams 890 m/s Conventional shell filled with 48,5g HE, AG-30 fuze fitted
http://russianammo.org/Russian_Ammunition_Page_30mm.html
The above “High Explosive Incendiary” rounds can be electrically fired from an SU-25’s GSh-30 rotary cannon, spinning at 3000 revolutions per minute.
(they don’t have proximity fuzes like missiles)
So, if all those rounds hit the cockpit, one into each of those holes you can see in the photo, and each round with 48 grams of high explosive, the front of that plane would have been completely destroyed.
(they aren’t guided like missiles)
So even if the putative SU-25 was armed with special “shrapnel look-alike” rounds where some of them tumbled and tore aluminum sheet metal, the pilot would have had to put them ALL pretty much on target, only hitting that one are, from 1000-4000 meters away.
I am hoping that the Russians got hold of the Quick Access Recorder, which duplicates the Black Box and more. They may produce it at the most embarrassing moment.
Ultimately though the proof is in the pudding: Putin had the ability to exclusively control the crash site for weeks, unmolested, and gather any “proof” he wanted. . . .
If he could have had “proof,” real (or even fictitious) that the Ukrainians themselves had shot down MH-17, then why on god’s green earth wouldn’t he have used that accusation to push back on the Ukrainians and the West?
@Jim,
any civilian plane flying over Ukraine would necessarily be under Ukrainian air traffic control. But it was diverted from its original flight path to one right over the fighting. If the plane had electronic warfare capabilities hidden on board, it’s quite possible the plane was diverted intentionally by all concerned, with the express purpose of putting it over Donetsk.
Obviously, the Ukrainian SU-25 escorts didn’t give M-17 much protection. Who knows, the Russian missile might even have been intended for them.
But all that doesn’t quite leave the whole mess in Ukraine’s lap.
leverage
“Putin had the ability to exclusively control the crash site for weeks, unmolested, and…”
Really? How? It wasn’t in his country. The crash site was under control of “Novorossiya”, which other countries (I think Russia included) did not recognize. Too bad. The investigators needed to talk to the Novorossiyans. But then that would be recognizing them, and some of their cover stories would fall apart.
The bottom line is that the whole mess was Ukraine’s. And they handled it poorly.
There was cargo on the first airliner that the USA would not allow to land in China. The prevention of State embarrassment is worth ending any number of civilian’s existences.
That’s always been my suspicion as well. There was either a person/persons or cargo on board that were not allowed to reach China so the US downed it. The rest in the media is just the mumbo jumbo to keep it all under wraps.
Remember the US sent a ballistic missile to take out the Chinese embassy in Belgrade when they suspected the Chinese had gotten hold of parts of a Stealth fighter downed in Yugoslavia.
@alaskan ice
I don’t see how a missile burst in front, or to one side, of the aircraft could have created entrance and exit holes on both sides of the cockpit. In that case there must have been two missiles bursting almost instantly at the same time on both sides, no?
Also the German military expert pointed out a missile hit would have turned the entire plane into a fireball as some shrapnel would be certain to hit fuel
Really, the most damning piece of this story is the effort exerted by NATO and the ‘west’ in burying the evidence. The ‘black box’ was ferreted away to a secret lab, where it took them a month to tell us what we already know; the ATC tapes were taken away by Kiev’s secret police; the Spaniard who tweeted from Kiev ATC has disappeared, and his twitter account deleted; and finally, that wizz-bang spy satellite system the US used to have, has gone blind.
They used to boast that they could read the label on Fidel’s cigar, but now whole jumbo jets fly wildly off course, Russia rolls across the border with columns of tanks, and another jumbo jet is shot down, and there are no high-resolution pictures _at all_. Just some fuzzy commercial earth-survey satellite pictures of some unidentifiable vehicles, on some road, somewhere, at some time. Which the ‘experts’ claim are Russian armor.
You’d think they could do better than that.
The Dutch officially found NO ONE CAUSED IT so far, just ‘something’.
The Dutch were supposed to attack Putin about this but DIDN’T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE. So they said, ‘No one knows what caused this definitely.’
On top of this, all the other data is STILL SECRET. Obviously, interested parties have seen everything…and these parties who got to see everything are working for the NATO warmongers so…the fact they are silent is proof the Ukrainian military probably did this kill job in order to smear Putin and start a war.
It is up to NATO and our dumb president (not Netanyahu, our real president) to prove Russia did it. With hard proof.
Which they don’t have, obviously.
And Putin is not supplying armor to the rebels. They have captured armor, including I believe, one of those BUK missile systems, from the Kiev army.
They are just that bad-ass.
Of course, Russia is supplying some advisors and money and miscellaneous little items like clothing and food and blankets. And maybe a few spare parts. There is clearly some sympathy between Novorossiya and Russia. Another little fact the propagandists conveniently neglect is that the missiles and quite a lot of Soviet-era armor was manufactured in Donetsk.
@ Alaskan ice
So it seems that the fragments of the “missile” after exploding started flying in line formation and hit the airplane wings in line. Another funny fact was that the “missile” aimed exactly for the side of the cockpit and not into the bottom part of it, what is expect from a earth – air missile. HAAHAHAHA
Missle schmissle. It was a gun, son
re: direction of shrapnel, I’m not sure we can conclude that it couldn’t have been just one missile from the damage. However, it is well known that the Russians like to fire missiles in “snaking” pairs; makes it much harder for fighter pilots to pull the G’s necessary to pull off an evasive maneuver; they break right and beat one side of the snaking pair but play right into the other. And then they laugh like rasmath, I suppose.
@emsnews, yes the Dutch are helping to kick it under the rug. They have hard proof, but so do the Russians. We don’t point fingers at Putin, and Putin doesn’t haul out the (secret) gear he pulled from the wreckage. The Dutch are also hiding the nationalities of 20 corpses, which means the manifest that Malaysian airlines originally released wasn’t accurate.
@Jim, either the West or the Russians could have cordoned that area immediately. The rebels wouldn’t have been stupid enough to interfere. The only reason for the wait was to soft-pedal a foregone investigation and/or let everyone and anyone creep over the site.
Even now, the FBI or the FSU could examine that wreckage and tell us all conclusively whether it was a Buk missile, but neither wants to and so they leave it to the Dutch to walk the diplomatic mumbo-jumbo-hedging game.
“Even now, the FBI or the FSU could examine that wreckage and tell us all conclusively whether it was a Buk missile, but neither wants to and so they leave it to the Dutch to walk the diplomatic mumbo-jumbo-hedging game.”
I have to agree with that last paragraph. Also, see my remark about satellite views above.
The thing that made the holes in that fuselage has to be in the wreckage area somewhere (though it was a big area, quite a few sq km), and they could probably ID the missile (or gun if it came to that) upon finding a single fragment. What was it made of, lead, tungsten, uranium, what isotope mix, etc etc. Everything leaves a fingerprint. If scientists can tell you the chemical composition of a star 100000000 light years away, they can ID a metal fragment. They could also ID scrapings from around the holes in the wreckage.
@melpomene_k
First was the battleship Maine in Havana harbour (1898). Churchill copied the Americans (if he was not actually conspiring with them, which is more likely)
Alaskan Ice is talking nonsense.
Of course, Putin didn’t cordon off the area because the screeching of ‘Russian aggression’ from the diplomatic weenies was already at dog-whistle pitch, and because there wasn’t any reply to the hard evidence he already presented. Why was MH17 being followed by military jets? Why did the Kiev junta have four or five Buk systems operating in the area, while the rebels had no air power? And so forth.
No point inviting more ‘aggression’ claims when these questions went unanswered.
By the way: I think the theory that there was any specialized spy gear on MH17 is very unlikely. What could be found from a single overflight?
Kiev presumably has the benefit of the gargantuan US/NATO spy machine. I can’t think of anything they can possibly know from one commercial overflight that they couldn’t already get by several other means.
And the rebels are just using those little RC quadcopters you can get from a hobby store or by mailorder. Couple hundred bucks and you have remote viewing. Hard to beat that for expedience.
JIm, any airline that diverts flights over war zones, like Malaysian airlines has been doing this summer in both Syria and Ukraine, is most likely a spy-plane outfit.
They would be hoping to learn whatever KAL-007 was hoping to learn before it was shot down. Stuff you can’t get from satellites and RC quad-copter cameras. For example: Soaking up cell phone data, users, and locations. Conducting military sig-int or electronic warfare. Conducting insert or follow-on communications support for specific special operations raids. You get the idea.
Naturally, there might be an SU-25 escort assigned. Even if the SU-25’s lured the airliner over the hot spot and then provoked a rebel battery with the intention of creating a big mess to pull in the west into a bigger fight on their side. . . that still doesn’t explain the coverup.
Most likely, the coverup is to avoid appearing as if the West strapped a Dutch grandma to the windshield of a spy-plane and then sent it into a combat zone. . . and so the Russians don’t look like they murdered over 200 civilians.
And, if you’re going to coverup the disastrous problem of using civilian spy-planes in a war-zone, you’d also need to hide the obvious fix to pick up the slack from canceling the program: using military spy planes in a war zone.
Right on queue:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/26/obama-authorizes-reconnaissance-flights-over-syria/
The final fact is, NO facts are being put out for us to examine. None! Nada!
We have these photos of the shot up plane ONLY because the Russian rebels gave these to us. The ‘West’ NATO clowns have shown nothing at all because they don’t want us to see the information.
But then, 9/11 remains classified, too. Not to mention all the secrets Snowden revealed to us. And HE is the real reason the elites are attacking Putin so ferociously.
Alaskan Ice,
You keep losing me at “Russia shot down”.
Elaine, check Alaskan Ice IP please, he looks from the paid propaganda machine gun.
Matt, it’s true that “when the going gets weird, the weird go pro”, but no paid troll would bother with what I’m trying to establish. The truth has little or no constituency these days.
Jim, I think I lost you before that. This probably doesn’t change much but when I say “Russia” I include the separatists who wish to rejoin Russia.
At the time separatists were actively shooting at Ukrainian air assets who exclusively owned the skies conducting attacks on the separatists.
Ultimately though, if the Ukrainians had shot down MH-17 with one of their missiles (what you seem to be implying is a possibility), then Putin would have sent his FSB the short stroll away from his own border, amongst his friendly separatist militia and Russian military advisors, and had them cordon the crash site and gather conclusive proof of that fact, along with his own Russian sig-int and radar records backing up his version.
Discrediting the Ukrainian military in the eyes of the west and the people of the west would only serve his purpose sooner rather than later. This is the kind of “leverage” that gets stale with age.
I’ve mentioned before that I think the West and Russia tricked Ukraine into beheading itself so they could divvy it up, but I do believe there is still some contentiousness.
There is a remote possibility that the entire set of events is such a choreographed charade that the Russians would refrain from calling out the Ukrainians if it wasn’t part of that original script. That unlikely scenario is the only scenario in which the Ukrainians shot down MH-17 and the Russians haven’t proved it yet.
@emsnews: “We have these photos of the shot up plane ONLY because the Russian rebels gave these to us. The ‘West’ NATO clowns have shown nothing at all because they don’t want us to see the information.”
Totally agree. One thing we do know for sure is that someone chose to divert that civilian airliner over the fighting from its original flight path that wasn’t over the fighting. Our equally ineffective “free” press won’t even run that to ground. Who was that idiot? Did anyone get fired for that? Maybe a reprimand?
Alaskan Ice sounds like one of those NSA shills frequenting message boards to spread lies.
The people who ‘diverted the plane’ were the Ukraine coup airport staff. The rebels certainly didn’t do this.
But then, this happens a lot! Flights are diverted over ‘enemy territory’ precisely to get them shot down so there is an excuse for belligerence.
A bit recursive for a self proclaimed “NSA shill” call someone else an “NSA shill.” And just who would be paying me to flog a supposition that both the West and Russia are covering up the existence of spy-plane full of civilians that the West shouldn’t have flown into a war zone and that the Russians shouldn’t have shot down?
If it was as simple as: the evil Ukrainians diverted a dumb Malaysian pilot, hoping that he would get shot down by Russian/Rebel missile batteries, the Russians would have capitalized on that instantly, with proof. And, Malaysian airlines would not have continued to subsequently fly airplanes over Northern Syria (another war-zone albeit with less high altitude anti-aircraft missiles). What were those pilots thinking as they flew over Syria right after MH-17 and MH-370?
It’s funny how there are comments on this very thread about MH-370 that suppose it was shot down by Americans in order to prevent the Chinese from getting ahold of unspecified gear in its cargo hold, and no one bats an eye? I’m actually surprised the chem-trail” guys haven’t gotten here yet.
My supposition is the only theory I have yet heard that explains why both sides would cover up what they know, fail to investigate for weeks, and even spin conspiracy theories.
This story was stuffed into the memory hole by the BBC. Watch it quickly while it is still here:
Note that there are investigators on the scene. The story that the Novorossiyans prevented them from visiting the site turned out to be yet another lie.
I am not sure what type of weapon was used, but Elaine’s version is the simplest — MH17 was shot down by the Kiev junta in a deliberate attempt to blame Russia.
And they had another reason to cause an incident at that site, by the way — opening a corridor to the west from there would allow Kiev to release a battalion or two or three from one of the ‘cauldrons’ where Ukie troops had gotten trapped.
‘’m actually surprised the chem-trail” guys haven’t gotten here yet.’ I see chemtrails sprayed over California day after day. Wish I didnt but I do.
This guy has a pretty good timeline for how 23 american were disappeared from the official manifests, and official reports, both from the Dutch Airport and the State Department. Best we got afterwards was that there was “at least” one American on board: a dutch dual citizen, and that was after the Dutch had changed their story to 0, and later Dutch investigators refuse to identify the nationalities of at least 21 non-Dutch remains.
Incidentally, this particular blogger supposes that the reason for the coverup is so that, without official American deaths, less Americans will want to blame Russia. Partially true, but what he’s missing is that the only way to actually make 23 American deaths go away is if they were spies and their families will keep quiet in ignorance.
http://thelanternjournal.wordpress.com/2014/07/17/breaking-news-a-malaysian-boeing-777-has-just-been-shot-down-from-high-altitude-over-russia-ukraine-border/
http://thelanternjournal.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/us-government-cover-up-new-obama-scandal-history-revision-regarding-americans-aboard-malaysian-flight-mh17/
And the Dutch investigation refusing to divulge at least 21 non-Dutch Nationalities. . .
http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/families-of-malaysia-airlines-mh17-passengers-will-be-asked-a-horrifying-question/story-fnh81p7g-1227018940893