Video Shows Black Cleveland Child Waving Gun Playing Gangsta

Cleveland Cop Shot 12-Year-Old Boy Video Footage 1080p Available – YouTube

 

This video shows why so many blacks are shot by the police, aside from police shooting people when attacked without a gun, just fists which can also definitely kill.  This poor child decided to go into the public with a very realistic looking BB gun…and BB guns can and do kill people…and he is seen strutting about, pretending to shoot the gun and doing the ‘gangsta’ poses, very proud of the fact that absolutely everyone except for one man in the gazebo, ran for their lives.

 

Then the police show up and since there is less than 5 seconds for them to determine someone is pointing a gun at them, they shot the kid dead.  I have seen editorial after editorial by mostly black but also some white writers complaining about how they are forced to teach their children to not do various things like, to be polite to people, to not look like they are shoplifting or to not get in fights with cops or do backtalk to cops.

 

Things all sane parents teach their children from an early age unless the parents are depraved and at war with the world.  Then they, too, have many unhappy encounters with the cops and other people and each other which is why the cops are called on them often by family members, over and over again.

 

Black communities have the same problem.  Social training is at a minimum and the chaos at home spills into the streets and police have to go inside these violent, out of control, antisocial homes over and over and over again every day of the year with the most dangerous thing being, intervening in a family violence event.  More cops are killed entering violent family homes.

 

Back to the 12 year old boy in Cleveland: someone gave him this gun and let him use it to play gangsta.  I bet he did this at home, too, and the adults would chortle and laugh and encourage Junior.  This is insanity because the #1 killer of blacks are blacks who are doing the ‘gangsta’ game.  Like motorcycle clubs, they kill anyone in their territory who looks like they are armed and screwing around.  Unlike the cops, they don’t do any investigations and they show zero remorse when killing children and they kill black children in huge numbers from babies upwards.

 

Gun Violence Leading Killer of Black Children: Why We Need to Care About the Gun Debate – The Root

 

 All told, 108 people have been murdered in the Crescent City so far this year. In September two black girls, one 11 years old and the other age 2, were shot and killed. And earlier this year a national organization advocating for stricter gun control told the story of a black 10-year-old New Orleans boy who has been shot and seriously injured twice in his short life.

 

 Between 1963 and 2010, nearly 60,000 black children and teenagers have been killed by guns. That means more than 17 times the number of black children have been killed by guns than the total number of black Americans lynched between 1862 and 1968, according to Caroline Fichtenberg, director of research at the CDF.

 

“Gun violence really has a staggering impact on black children and black families,” says Fichtenberg. “People think guns and gun control are rural issues, just the stuff of political debates, but this is an American issue that certainly involves black families.”

 

Nearly all of the gun deaths which kill black children are due to being shot by black teens and adults.  A shocking number of white children are killed by guns, too, but the number of black children dying is 13 times higher than white children who are often the victims of shooting each other accidentally while playing with daddy’s guns.

 

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Overall, black children start off dying more than any other ethnic group’s children.  But only by a little.  This steadily worsens over the years as the child ages, the chances of dying shoot upwards for both Hispanic and black children reaching a huge number, three times greater than white 19 year olds.

 

It is important to ask what is killing them all?  Below is a graph comparing all children being killed:

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More white female teens are killed than Hispanic and I would suggest this is mainly due to men hunting them down and killing them.  I have direct experience with people trying to do this to me when I was a teenager.  They were crawling out of the woodwork to attack me with bad results for them since none expected me to be armed.

 

Being a hippie chick meant dealing with killers all the time.

 

The statistics show that black male children die at three times the rate of black females.  The cause for most of this is the escalating violence and gun shooting going on in black communities which takes off after age 15.  I remember very vividly black parents sneering at me in NYC and telling me they are sending their 12-15 year old to attack me because ‘You can’t put them in prison!’  And they do this for many crimes!

 

If momma wants something from the store and needs to do some five finger shopping, she has her little ones do this for her, for example.  White parents do this, too.  But black parents go further: they have their tykes do the drug dealing for them!!!

 

I saw this first hand.  They send the 12 year old out on his bike to sell drugs on the streets.  Since competition is fierce, drug dealers then send out teenagers with guns to shoot the kiddie dealers and keep their territory monopoly.  I am fiercely against the War on Drugs.  This war has killed and imprisoned many people and does absolutely nothing to stop the flow of illegal drugs and the sale of these on our streets.

 

The black community leaders are getting things backwards. They think if they force the police to cease patrolling black communities, all will be well.  We know from sad experience, when the cops withdraw as they had to at the beginning of every black riot in the last 50 years, all that happens next is an explosion of looting and burning as blacks and Hispanics think this is a marvelous time to steal stuff.

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This last graph is the saddest.  Blacks are killing each other and hardly anyone in the black community is willing to look into this matter and understand why this is happening and how this is directly connected to the inability of black children to learn in school.  Our schools are failing but not due to being incompetent or in need of reforms.  Schools worked perfectly fine before we had this rash of antisocial behavior.

 

Schools attempting to teach black children are failing due to black parents unable to cooperate with schools or teach their children survival etiquette at home.  Too much ‘in your face’ rage is tearing apart the black community and the disrespect for others is epidemic.

 

You Tube is full of videos of out of control black teens and young adults attacking fast food staff!  Again, I have also seen this first hand.  And they attack black workers in fast food outlets!  This unhinged behavior has to be confronted and changed.  But then, the sort of jobs blacks used to fill are now filled by aliens, both Hispanic and Asian.

 

Instead of moving up the economic ladder, blacks in general aside from the top 10% that gets a free ride to the top, are moving down the ladder to the cellar with only illegal drugs, illegal gambling and the sex trade as possible careers aside from getting welfare.  Which is very, very sad and infuriating.  No white person can fix this, it has to come from the 10% leadership and they love the gravy train they are on and love pushing all the blame of ‘white racism’ rather than fix the horrors that afflict the majority of black citizens.

 


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  1. e sutton

    “Schools worked perfectly fine before we had this rash of antisocial behavior.”

    Go, Soul Sister! And when, ahem, did the schools begin that descent into “antisocial behavior”? Oh, I don’t know. 1954, maybe?

  2. Ken

    This is really off topic here, and I apologize since this is a very important post by Elaine. However, I was wondering. The post carries a posting time of 12:34 p.m., when it obviously was posted in the morning. Does anyone know what is causing this?

  3. Ken

    Now to a more serious comment.

    A recurring observation by Elaine is that blacks seem to start out fine, but then spiral down into bad behavior in their early teens. I have also personally noticed that blacks engage in antisocial behavior mostly between the early teenage years and about age 35. Murder statistics for the black community seem to support this, since murders drop off significantly at about age 35. After age 35 blacks seem to calm down. Unfortunately, by that time their lives are ruined, so becoming civil does them very little good.

    I have a theory about this, which is politically incorrect but then so are a lot of the comments posted here.

    When I was in college the feminists had a “joke” going around that men suffer from “testosterone poising.” This was in response to men’s jokes that women are emotionally unstable because they suffer from too much estrogen. What if this was true?

    Tests conducted in prisons (filled mostly with blacks and other aggressive males) show a much higher level of testosterone than the general population. Basically, all of the evidence seems to point to blacks suffering from “testosterone poising.” After they age a bit, and testosterone levels naturally decline, they’re fine. This sounds like a joke, but I think there may be some truth to this.

  4. emsnews

    Yes, hormones and other things greatly affect us all. We can become much more irrational and irritable due to this. Generally speaking, the ‘mothering’ hormones kick in when females become pregnant which moderates things.

    I’ll never forget my first birthing. I was in school and this was extremely inconvenient for me but I was supposed to not be able to have children at all so my doctor and I decided this might be my only chance so I did it reluctantly.

    The minute I saw my new, beautiful baby, my hormones kicked in and I felt this amazing wave of pure love and adoration! Still feel it (minus the teen revolt years!).

    The truth about all this is one element to the picture overall. Many males are unable to physically sit at school and up until the 1950’s, most males left school early and didn’t go to college, either, only about 20% succeeded at that.

    The more a teenager gets shots of self-created hormones kicking in, the less able they are to sit in class! And this is ignored by school reformers.

    We need more jobs for kids at the bottom. We fixed this by brining in millions of illegal aliens instead.

  5. Christian W

    There should be proper inquiries into these shootings.

    It is possible officer Wilson crossed the line between self defense into homicide in the Brown case. If so it is irrelevant that Brown was a thug and that he has a crazy mother. Not even Elaine can know exactly what happened before all the evidence is put forward.

    Was it really necessary for this officer to shot the black kid on sight before the kid knew what was happening even? Or are all kids playing “Cowboys and Indians” (or similar games) now fair game if a police officer happen to feel threatened? Or is it only black kids presumably playing “gangsta” that it is ok to shoot in no time flat?

    There is way too much crazy going on in these situations, you can’t just point fingers at one side and say that is nuts.

    What is happening to the US? Are all people really so hair trigger and PTSD and what not?

    This summer I talked to an American who had worked in the US/Norwegian oil business for 40 years. He was going home to retire in Texas. I asked him what he thought about the US today. He looked uncomfortable, shook his head and said there are so many crazy people in the US. I’m starting to see his point.

  6. emsnews

    And the cops see the ‘crazy people’ day in and day out and these ‘crazy people’ also get very violent and try to kill the cops.

    Now what liberals want is for to these cops to ‘take it in the teeth’ and die regularly so black people can be more comfortable going ‘crazy’. And whites, too.

    This lack of self-control is a real problem! We wouldn’t need violent cops if we were a polite society. We aren’t. Being rude seems to be the norm.

    This is also the #1 thing wrong with schools that are failing students: the students don’t have even the slightest training in self control and civility. Instead, we have this ‘school for gangstas’ that has so thoroughly defanged the teachers and staff, they now have to have cops patrolling the schools to keep the students from killing each other and the staff!

    When I began ‘Save Our Schools’ which was a total failure….I once visited Boy’s High in Brooklyn which went from being a great school to a hood rat infested monstrosity. this visit was necessary because a student leaned out a window and shot at a mother pushing her baby in a carriage.

    I asked the Principal about how to disarm and control his students. This is what he said to me in 1983, ‘We only had TWO shootings inside the school this year!’

  7. anon 99

    ‘When I began ‘Save Our Schools’ which was a total failure….I once visited Boy’s High in Brooklyn which went from being a great school to a hood rat infested monstrosity’…The color of crime is what? The school went from White to Black.

  8. Christian W

    It is perfectly understandable that the cops in the US are afraid some punk will kill them and that at the end of the shift they will not be going home to the wife and kids but lie in a cooler with a tag on their toe.

    But that can’t excuse them from losing the grip on reality and shoot “a demon” (Wilson) or some kid who doesn’t know what is going on.

    I agree with a lot of your points though. Get the arms off the streets (gun control). Get the drugs off the streets (stop the War on Drugs nonsense). Get the people out of the ghettos and educate them, give them real jobs with real salaries and a sense of responsibility, which means stop illegal aliens from flooding the country, which means stopping destructive US foreign policies etc etc.

    You can’t fix the bottom of society without fixing the top. You can’t fix the top of society without fixing the middle, and guess who the middle is. (That is of course why the top is attacking the middle in the west). So start with the changes you want to see and implement them in the middle. If you feel entitled to things, make sure they are things that are rights (human and civil rights) and not “entitlements.”

    Why can’t you fix the bottom of society without fixing the top? Because the top is completely at odds with what you want to achieve so they spend enormous amounts of money and propaganda and political effort to get things their way. An example of this is to not work for gun control but let arms flood the hoods. Or they create external manufactured enemies to divert resources and a million other neat tricks they have.

    2500 years ago the Buddha identified the cause of much of human suffering to come out of ignorance caused by negative emotions like fear, anger, greed, jealousy etc which are EXACTLY the emotions the current elites ALWAYS like to stoke as much as possible (which is why I see the elites as “demonic”) because they know such emotions distort thinking and make people easy for them to exploit.

    Look at the Black Friday insanity gripping the US. The shopkeepers and profit merchants are trying their best to get this insanity to take hold in Europe too now.

    The top loves when the population is ignorant (so they destroy education) and promote negative emotions to encourage consumerism which means people want money to be able to consume as much as possible, which drives greed, which drives drug dealing and crime and even the entitlement culture.

    This is starting to sound like a Cultural Revolution isn’t it.🙂

  9. Christian W

    Do you think the middle can be fixed? When I read some comments here I wonder.

  10. John

    Being a hippie chick meant dealing with killers all the time.

    These are the sorts of little insights that I just don’t see anywhere else. This blog is full of them. Have you ever thought about writing an autobiography? I think it would be utterly fascinating.

    Too much ‘in your face’ rage is tearing apart the black community and the disrespect for others is epidemic.

    Bingo! And this race-baiting is a classic divide and conquer tactic of the nationless oligarchy. As I’ve noted before, the whole aim of Marxism is to overrun humanity with the lowest common denominator, using them to devour the middle and upper middle classes via the welfare/police state, while the oligarchs keep themselves far away from the rest of us and control their own bloodlines very, very carefully.

    This lack of self-control is a real problem! We wouldn’t need violent cops if we were a polite society. We aren’t. Being rude seems to be the norm.

    Again, right on the nose. Police violence is a symptom, not the disease itself. The disease itself is the ruthless pressure applied economically to the lower classes, the incessant race-baiting of the media and politicians, and the subsidizing of the dregs of humanity via the welfare state.

    The 0.01% who calls the shots in all of this stays far, far away from it, leaving the enraged lower classes and minorities nowhere to vent their rage except toward the middle and upper middle classes, who pay the vast bulk of the taxes which support the lower classes. The middle and upper middle classes know this, and since the oligarchy is also out of their reach, they turn their own rage right back at the lower classes.

    Imagine an India-rubber ball bouncing between two walls which are moving closer and closer together. That’s the way the rage and frustration of the lower classes and the middle/upper-middle classes, toward each other, is escalating.

    ΩΩΩ

    ELAINE: Hey, I like that image! Good one! Scary.

    ΩΩΩ

    And the nationless oligarchy is deliberately causing this to happen, for their own fun and profit. Being genetically psychopathic, dynastic families, they see themselves and their bloodlines as the only truly human people in the world; they believe they are Homo Superior or, if you like, “Man 2.0”. We are subhuman beasts to them, only here to be exploited for their benefit.

    The only question is, how do we stop them? The two things which spring immediately to mind are: end private central banking, and utterly renounce Marxism in all its forms. Those tow things would go a long way toward making it possible for humanity to throw off the yoke of the oligarchy, which created both of those things in order to enslave the rest of us.

    PS: Christian W: Gun control does not work. Criminals, by definition, do not obey laws. Period. Gun control gives us – wait for it – CHICAGO. In your very NEXT sentence, you say “end the War on Drugs.” Gun control = War on Drugs. You suffer from cognitive dissonance.

    Oh, and by the way, I see the “elites” as demonic, also. Elaine has repeatedly referenced the black magic they have practiced for centuries.

  11. emsnews

    I come from the bloody Normans. The guys who won the Battle of Hastings.

    The ruling class of all those sad peasants. Collected taxes the rough way (hint: sword in hand),

    The FUNNIEST thing about the Normans is….WE KILL EACH OTHER OVER NEARLY EVERYTHING!!!

    History of our actions is full of this sort of fright. The original rulers of England before the much lazier, fatter German guys took over ( the Georges and Victoria, etc) the original rulers KILLED EACH OTHER with Elizabeth I killing the mother of the future king, the first Stuart, and then dying off with no kids herself.

    Isn’t that hilarious? Then there was the War of the Roses with the Normans butchering each other left right and center until the Henrys took over with Henry VII,

    Henry the VIII was a bloody mess. Not only did he kill other Normans left and right, he killed his WIVES. More than once! Grrr.

    So much for genetics of rulers! 🙂

  12. Pontiff Holysh*t

    I may have posted this before, but it may be worth repeating.

    It seem to me that there is a certain inexorable logic to the expression that, “if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns”, cliché as it may be.

    If someone has an argument that undermines this logic, please post it.

    The (mostly white) “law abiding” gun owners in America don’t care about statistics. They want the legal right to carry guns to have some opportunity to protect themselves from all the crazy people with guns.

  13. Pontiff Holysh*t

    @ #10:

    Have you read Marx? He was right about many things.

  14. Christian W

    John, I’m not sure what you mean by “Marxism”. Can you define that in today’s context please? The Bilderbergers are anything but Marxists, unless you mean they like to loot the public treasury and then reinvest the stolen money calling it private investments under the free market scheme. I can see the reverse socialism but hardly any Marxism?

    Chicago, nah, you have lots of Chicago’s now don’t you? Lots of assault rifles everywhere, apart from the states that have stricter gun laws. I’m with Elaine on this one. Stricter rules cut the crime down before in NY.

    With end the War on Drugs I mean simply legalize the drugs. There are lost generations either way, legalization or no legalization, but that would cut the violence and crime down for certain.

    And a ‘funny’ thing for those complaining about blacks living on welfare. In the Soviet Union, if you didn’t work the police would come knocking on your door and ask you sharp questions. You could end up in prison as a malingerer or subservient bourgeoisie or some such for not working.

    Maybe the US could do with a dose of real “Marxism”.🙂

  15. DeVaul

    “…and the subsidizing of the dregs of humanity via the welfare state.”

    Thanks John, for that image of the blind, the Deaf, the disabled, those maimed in combat, the elderly without family, the mentally ill, women left with children and no way to feed them (should they be sold as slaves?).

    That was just a wonderful image.

  16. Pontiff Holysh*t

    Yes, the upper middle class is the backbone of America, everyone else is expendable.

  17. Christian W

    They want the legal right to carry guns to have some opportunity to protect themselves from all the crazy people with guns.

    And what happens when the legal right people go crazy themselves? Or have poor control over their guns? We know what happens, the statistics are a pretty grim reading. Isn’t the above a pretty crazy loop?

    Honestly, I like guns. I am a gun nut and have been for as long as I can remember more or less. I don’t own one but I love shooting, one of the most fun things you can do if you ask me. But I also have tremendous respect for guns and I would be very uncomfortable in an environment where I knew most people were armed. People are just people, prone to all kinds of issues. And as we see in the US, shootings are a big issue.

    I’ve seen enough people flip completely to be very, very, very happy they had no gun in reach when they went nuts. I would hate having to work carrying a gun and having to keep an eye, or both eyes, open for some crazy, or druggie, or angry/scared/idiot etc person to burst in with a gun in their hands.

    More jobs, fewer illegals, less guns, no drug related gang wars… That would have to create a calmer environment you’d think, no?

  18. Christian W

    Imagine an India-rubber ball bouncing between two walls which are moving closer and closer together. That’s the way the rage and frustration of the lower classes and the middle/upper-middle classes, toward each other, is escalating.

    The elites like it that way. They shot Martin Luther King because he was actually threatening to get real political momentum and cooperation between the black community and parts of the middle class.

    As I said before, the elites want the middle class to kick down hard, NOT kick up.

    So how do you defuse that tension? Where are the leaders? Where is the dialogue?

    I agree with a lot of what you are saying. The US/EU middle class has to go for the elite support pillars. Go for the end private banking eg, but then, you get centralized state controlled banking, which to me isn’t a problem as long as it isn’t controlled for elite interests exclusively which is the trend in the EU (thanks to the Bilderbergers and their Goldman Sachs operatives). We need to stop the “free market” looting systems too and break up the trusts and monopolies and any oligarchy or oligarch controlled system.

    A new New Deal, but better🙂

    Occupy saw this of course, and we saw how the elites dealt with them, no open dialogue, distortion, propaganda, and the hard fist.

  19. John

    DeVaul

    Thanks John, for that image of the blind, the Deaf, the disabled, those maimed in combat, the elderly without family, the mentally ill, women left with children and no way to feed them (should they be sold as slaves?).

    You persist in conflating those who CANNOT provide for themselves, with those who WILL NOT do so. It’s the worst sort of disingenuousness, and you do it repeatedly. I have no problem with the idea that a society as prosperous as America can and should provide for those who legitimately cannot provide for themselves.

    It’s the parasites who attach themselves to that system, who do little else but eat and breed, despite the fact that they are perfectly capable of being contributing members of society, that is driving us into utter ruination. We simply MUST find a way to stop this. It’s not an option; it’s a dire necessity.
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    Christian, you misunderstand Marxism. The whole point of it is to use the few who can’t take care of themselves as an excuse to put themselves in charge of the entire world. “Because fairness.” Only the Marxists are wise and benevolent enough to make the “right decisions.” All animals are equal. But some are more equal than others. And yes, I know that Orwell was a socialist. He, like so many others, simply refused to believe that the wrongs he chronicled in Animal Farm were not errors arising from the “wrong people” being in charge, but rather structural flaws purposefully built into the very philosophy itself, which simply cannot be overcome. The animal nature of H. sapiens is simply incompatible with any sort of Marxist system. Ferguson is the guaranteed logical outcome of any such system.

    I’m sure you’ve heard it pointed out that the same Dept. of Agriculture that hands out food stamps by the metric ton also runs the National Park Service, which puts up signs that say “Please don’t feed the animals. They become dependent upon the handouts and forget how to take care of themselves.”

    H. Sapiens is an animal. That’s a fact, which cannot be disputed. To be specific, we are an apex predator, and as any zoologist will tell you, an apex predator will be as lazy as its environment allows it to be. The people who are happy to live 1″ above the animal level are just fine with existing for generations on the meager welfare handout. They’ll scream for more “gimme!!” but they don’t want more badly enough to go work for it. You & I can’t fathom how anyone could want to live that way, because we are not LCDs.

    Again, the Dept. of Ag. is displaying cognitive dissonance. Only in this case, the CD is deliberate, designed to drag society down to the animal level by subsidizing the worst of us at everyone else’s expense. And since those who benefit from it own the media, it never gets discussed. In fact, that sort of logic being posted in comment threads is a MAIN reason that corporate media outlets are removing or heavily censoring their comments sections now.

    Marxism, properly understood, is simply the governmental redistribution of wealth. Transfer wealth from maker to taker, and count on the taker to keep you in power over the maker. Again, its SOLE purpose is to use the lower classes to consume the middle and upper middle classes, so they cannot amass the wealth which would enable them to compete fairly against the entrenched nationless oligarchy.

    This is why crony capitalism can only flourish in a Marxist-influenced society. Marxism was created by the elite to enslave the whole of humanity by encouraging the worst part of human nature to dominate.

    “Please don’t feed the lazy humans. They become dependent upon the handouts and forget how to take care of themselves.”

  20. John

    If you want to stop “free market looting systems,” you must remove from government the ability to pick winners and losers via regulations. The government should be just strong enough to swiftly and severely punish those who wrong others.

    As I’ve pointed out repeatedly on this blog and elsewhere, oligarchy can only thrive when it can use the government’s monopoly on violence to crush all competition.

    Marxism is the philosophy which justifies ever-increasing governmental power, by using the truly incapable as an excuse to control everyone else.

    Renounce Marxism, purge the psychopaths from the government, and almost all of the crony fascism will disappear.

  21. Pontiff Holysh*t

    OK I get it now:

  22. Pontiff Holysh*t

    Here’s how the “free market” works: I kill you and take everything you have.

    If you don’t like that arrangement, you are in favor of regulations.

    We are now just quibbling over specifics.

  23. Christian W

    As I’ve pointed out repeatedly on this blog and elsewhere, oligarchy can only thrive when it can use the government’s monopoly on violence to crush all competition.

    You can most definitely put this charge against the US from the Civil War and the robber barons to today. And the Soviet Union from Stalin onwards to the collapse. And the neoliberals/Bilderbergers running the EU today. And the British Empire led by the royals and aristocrats. There are endless examples going as far back in history as we can possibly go.
    If you look at human history as a whole, all over the world the problem has always been the same, sooner or later a psychopath, as you have described, takes over the system and the butchery starts. I don’t see how Libertarianism is a protection against that? What would happen is that a Ghengis Khan would manage to take over the lot, by hook and by crook.

    Transfer wealth from maker to taker, and count on the taker to keep you in power over the maker.

    This has been the royal (elite clique) system from the dawn of times. I don’t think Marx built that into his system, rather he tried to find a way out of it (successfully or not that might be argued).

    In a well balanced system maker is also receiver, no? Receiver of health care, education, personal safety, smooth running infrastructure. How would a Libertarian system provide that? I mean the US today sucks up enormous amount of wealth and resources from all over the world, yet for the majority all of those four are more or less dodgy.

    The problem is that we have an ape brain. Yes, we are apex predators among other things. But we have three brains and one is the ape brain, which thinks in terms of hierachies – where is my position in the flock? BIG APE on top (and we sure have lots of alpha males shooting for dominant BIG APE spot don’t we, just look at the Wall Street and Congress apes.

    Scans Hint at Why It Can Be Unhealthy Even at the Top

    http://www.nimh.nih.gov/news/science-news/2008/human-brain-appears-hard-wired-for-hierarchy.shtml

    April 23, 2008 • Press Release

    Human imaging studies have for the first time identified brain circuitry associated with social status, according to researchers at the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) of the National Institutes of Health. They found that different brain areas are activated when a person moves up or down in a pecking order – or simply views perceived social superiors or inferiors. Circuitry activated by important events responded to a potential change in hierarchical status as much as it did to winning money.

    “Our position in social hierarchies strongly influences motivation as well as physical and mental health,” said NIMH Director Thomas R Insel, M.D. “This first glimpse into how the brain processes that information advances our understanding of an important factor that can impact public health.”

    etc

    So, those you are condemning as “happy as to live 1″ above survival level” might in actuality not feel very much part of the group, since they have no status or ranking, and have little motivation or desire to be part of a group where they don’t feel valued or seen. So they create their own little group with BIG APE on top (rapper king, drug lord) since they know the dominant group won’t let them compete. Or they cheat and become fake BIG APEs like Obama. Meanwhile the elite BIG APES believe themselves divine apes far above the mere mid and low apes.

    And what do mid level apes do? They want to distance themselves from bottom apes and climb up the heirarchy so they feel better about themselves.

  24. Christian W

    And so we are sitting here saying: “We must take down the BIG APES so we can be THE BIG APES! Because we’d be so much better Big Apes”

    (until we got hubris from hormones “rewarding” us for being Big Ape I guess)

    and we see this a lot in comments:

    “The Bottom Apes are stupid and violent and lazy!”

  25. emsnews

    Oh, the slums very much have a hierarchy!!!n Take a wild guess who is at the top!

    Hint: these guys have guns and money and moxie and raw physical power. The females do the money grubbing at the bottom (sex and stealing stuff and welfare) but the big money is at the top (gangsta/drug dealing/contract killing).

    It is virtually the same as the overt, ‘legal’ structure in many ways. Including enforcing very rigid rules only these are backwards from mainstream rules and ten times nastier.

    Trust me on this one! Lives are much, much shorter thanks to the gangsta rules.

  26. Christian W

    @Elaine: Yep, I said as much: “So they create their own little group with BIG APE on top (rapper king, drug lord) since they know the dominant group won’t let them compete.”

  27. Pontiff Holysh*t

    @ # 24:

    Exactly!

    The problem is not elitism, per se. It’s all about someone else being more successful at it!

    This is why I never want to hear an investment capitalist whining about Jews:

    Those people have no moral problem with capitalist despotism in itself, they are just miffed that someone else is more successful at it.

  28. emsnews

    Yes, if it isn’t one it is the other. True story: one of my ancestors was Huguenot in France and was a wealthy merchant who also lent money.

    Then the Medici queen caused an ethnic religious cleansing event whereby many of the Huguenots were murdered, raped or forced to flee. My ancestor was doing business in the port when this happened so he got on a ship and…BECAME A PIRATE!

    Captain Pettit was his name. He actually retired in the New World a fine middle class citizen after pestering French and Spanish shipping.

    Now a test: Why are so many cities and towns across the upper half of the US have for a name, ‘Peru’ and ‘Lima’?

    Well…they are named after the doubloons extracted by my ancestor and all Pettits that moved westwards named towns they founded after their founding father in his memory.

    My grandpa, Edison Pettit was born in Peru, Nebraska.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison_Pettit

  29. Pontiff Holysh*t

    And this is why Plato determined that the only solution is to put the philosophers in charge. But this will never happen because of too many Portias running around. So we will have extinction instead.

    Death-1 Humans-0

  30. John

    Pontiff Holysh*t

    Here’s how the “free market” works: I kill you and take everything you have.

    Nice try.

    What part of “a government strong enough to swiftly and severely punish those who wrong others” didn’t register with you?

    Be assured, if this is the best you can muster, you won’t last long around here. Everyone here, beginning with Elaine herself, has a lot of smarts, and we aren’t ashamed of it. Nor are we intimidated by being called racist-bigot-sexist-homophobe.

    What you just described is called ANARCHY. Lots of anarchists claim to be libertarians, but there’s a saying in the South that applies here: “You can put your boots in the oven, but that don’t make ’em biscuits.”

    The proper balance is to have a government with sufficient power to cage the psychopaths, but not so powerful that it can become the tool of oppression in the hands of those psychopaths.

    Marxism, and the endless big-government/welfare/regulatory state it promotes, is a tool of the psychopaths, by the psychopaths, for the psychopaths.

    Christian W

    And so we are sitting here saying: “We must take down the BIG APES so we can be THE BIG APES! Because we’d be so much better Big Apes”

    No. At least, I’m not. What I’m saying is that the BIG APES rely on the protection of the government’s monopoly on violence, originally enacted as a way to protect the 95% of non-psychopathic humans from the 5% who are, to allow them to plunder with impunity. Reduce government’s power to where it can only punish the bad monkey, but not be used by wealthy bad monkeys to protect them from punishment.

    Power over other humans, and the world in general, is the crack cocaine of the psychopath. The more power you give government, the more magnetic government becomes to psychopaths. When government is kept to its proper role, you get “Elliot Ness.” When it is not, you get Hitler, Stalin, Mao, etc.

  31. Pontiff Holysh*t

    Good grief, I have been “around here” longer than anyone.

    The point is, what constitutes “those who wrong others” is subjective.

    Hence, all the quibbling about regulations.

    For example, Alan Greenspan once said the Fed doesn’t need to regulate
    fraud because the market will sort things out. And he is one of those people supposedly with “a lot of smarts”.

  32. Pontiff Holysh*t

    More examples of the subjectivity of “right vs. “wrong”:

    Korematsu v. United States, Plessy v. Ferguson, the list could go on and on.

    And, of course, it goes without saying that these cases were decided by “people with a lot of smarts”.

    Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon, for example, have “a lot of smarts”. And while you may call them psychopaths for killing people and taking their stuff, they call it “the free market” at work.

    Same with all the “smart people” that massacred the Indians and sold their land to the railroads. So I guess all white invaders need to be “swiftly and severely punished”.🙂

  33. John

    Pontiff Holysh*t

    Good grief, I have been “around here” longer than anyone.

    …Alan Greenspan…

    Funny; I do not recognize the screen name, and I’ve been reading this blog since about mid 2007. Did you change your name, perhaps due to getting your ass handed to you in a debate and “rebranding” yourself?

    Alan Greenspan? Biderberg bankster extroardinaire?

    SERIOUSLY??

    Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon, for example, have “a lot of smarts”. And while you may call them psychopaths for killing people and taking their stuff, they call it “the free market” at work.

    Boots. Oven. Biscuits.

    Peddle your Marxist bullshit to someone else.

  34. Pontiff Holysh*t

    So, anyone that merely challenges your mighty authority is peddling “Marxist bullshit”? Because, if you read carefully, you will realize that I have not put forth any political theory whatsoever. I have merely poked holes in yours, which isn’t difficult, I assure you.

    All human systems are dynamic which means that intellectual flexibility is needed for real problem solving. All political and economic theories have problems of one sort or another. Aristotle expounded on political theory over 2000 years ago and I am not sure anyone has done any better since. But maybe you will do it. Good luck!

    I have my own ideas on how to fix things, but no one listens to me because I am a “stupid” person; but I guess it doesn’t matter since you smart people are doing such a great job!🙂

  35. Pontiff Holysh*t

    Oh, and the guy that originated the concept of the “free market”, guess what he advocated? That’s right: taxes and regulation. That would be Adam Smith, moral philosopher.

    Also, your “boots oven biscuits” point seems applicable to the way everything you don’t like seems to transform into “Marxist bullshit”.

    BTW, there are a lot of stupid people like me that need jobs; jobs where you might work hard but don’t have to work to death, and can afford things like health care, decent housing, proper nutrition, and quality education for the kiddos that are interested. You know, provide some sort of “quality of life”. Even stupid people have a right to some sort of quality of life, right? Obviously, I am not talking about working three minimum wage jobs just to get by. What are you going to do about that?

    And you better have a good answer, or I might get some of my stupid friends together and then you will be up to your eyeballs in some REAL Marxism!🙂

  36. Christian W

    John, how do you feel about paying taxes? Is it a case of “Sure I’m happy to strengthen the collective of my nation” or is it more “Damn Commies are stealing my hard earned money”. I think I know which way you are leaning.🙂

  37. emsnews

    A true conservative recognizes the need to have taxes for the commonwealth of the People. The taint on our political system came from leaving slaves out of the ‘people’ category and of course, the treatment of the natives who were abused greatly.

    We need taxes. We created the concept of the public school and the concept of the school being LOCAL so it would be the glue that held the community together.

    And the military was not to be used for foreign adventures. No far flung empire.

    All that has turned to rot slowly over the centuries. My family has been here for a long, long, LONG time. Even have some Eastern Indian blood in it.

    We had this concept of local control which came from the shires of England. And there are many more recent immigrants to the US who have zero idea about how a shire was constructed and run.

    So they try to impose on us other rule. I hate to say this but Spain has always been very draconian and central government that ignores locals and won’t let them run things themselves and this shows!

    Then there is Eastern Europeans who bring in the concept of the czar ruling from the top and Germans who came here with the ideology of duty and service to the top.

    So we are rapidly losing the original (especially this was how the Eastern seaboard/ upper New England was run!) Shire-type fierce involvement in running local government.

  38. Pontiff Holysh*t

    Here is an excerpt from a letter from Madison to Jefferson on the issue of “government power”:

    Altho it be generally true as above stated that the danger of oppression lies in the interested majorities of the people rather than in usurped acts of the Government, yet there may be occasions on which the evil may spring from the latter source; and on such, a bill of rights will be good ground for an appeal to the sense of the community. Perhaps too there may be a certain degree of danger, that a succession of artful and ambitious rulers may by gradual & well times advances, finally erect an independent Government on the subversion of liberty. Should this danger exist at all, it is prudent to guard agst it, especially when the precaution can do no injury. At the same time I must own that I see no tendency in our Governments to danger on that side.
    It has been remarked that there is a tendency in all Governments to an augmentation of power at the expense of liberty. But the remark as usually understood does not appear to me to be well founded. Power when it has attained a certain degree of energy and independence goes on generally to further degrees. But when below that degree, the direct tendency is to further degrees of relaxation, until the abuses of liberty beget a sudden transition to an undue degree of power. With this explanation the remark may be true; and … is … applicable to the Governments in America. It is a melancholy reflection that liberty should be equally exposed to danger whether the Government have too much or too little power, and that the line which defines these extremes should be so inaccurately defined by experience.(emphasis added)

    I suggest for anyone that is interested in politics to read the whole thing. Its not long:

    http://www.constitution.org/jm/17881017_bor.htm

  39. anon 99

    Christian, ‘In the Soviet Union, if you didn’t work the police would come knocking on your door and ask you sharp questions. You could end up in prison as a malingerer or subservient bourgeoisie or some such for not working’.
    Problem w USSR was that about half the food was grown on ONE percent of the land. The ‘babushkas’ grew it on their tiny plots. The commie farms were a disaster that brought the end of the USSR about. Learn yr history for goodness sakes.
    Had it not been for that manual labor and capitalism of those gals the commies would have starved.

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