1978 NASA Book, ‘Sun, Weather, And Climate’ Has Zero Mention Of CO2

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Diagram from 50 year old NASA book about the climate which is still very relevant today: note that the top of this diagram is ‘solar radiation’.

 

Despite all the name calling, viciousness, cruelty, censorship of anyone who understands how the sun is the #1 big time major driver of climate and temperatures on our planet, global warmists who refuse to look out the window or who live in places that never saw glaciation during the previous Ice Ages, those of us who recognize the first signs of another Little (we pray!) Ice Age continue to chip away at the global warming behemoth.  Reality is on our side and will be more and more obvious to nearly everyone outside of Southern California and parts of Australia.

 

New paper finds strong evidence the Sun has controlled climate over the past 11,000 years, not CO2 | Principia Scientific Intl from the Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics

 

 A paper published today in Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics finds a “strong and stable correlation” between the millennial variations in sunspots and the temperature in Antarctica over the past 11,000 years. In stark contrast, the authors find no strong or stable correlation between temperature and CO2 over that same period.

 

 

“We find that the variations of SSN [sunspot number] and T [temperature] have some common periodicities, such as the 208 year (yr), 521 yr, and ~1000 yr cycles. The correlations between SSN and T are strong for some intermittent periodicities. However, the wavelet analysis demonstrates that the relative phase relations between them usually do not hold stable except for the millennium-cycle component. The millennial variation of SSN leads that of T by 30–40 years, and the anti-phase relation between them keeps stable nearly over the whole 11,000 years of the past. As a contrast, the correlations between CO2 and T are neither strong nor stable.”

 

This is taking direct aim at the global warmists.  Bravo.  About time, more and more papers will be coming out refuting this bizarre religion that seems to be sucking the life out of climatology and space sciences.  This paper, like so many other strikes at the dogma, won’t see any coverage in the mainstream media.

 

There are many, many scientists who are now getting quite furious about being censored or silenced and even when scientific publications begin to publish the truth, our media owners hide this news from everyone and yes, this is a conspiracy!  And the people doing this also do other conspiratorial things to hide news from all of us.  They notoriously do this and they plot how to do this!

 

I have the 1978 edition of this NASA book about the sun:  Sun, Weather, and Climate: John R. Herman, Richard A. Goldberg …click here to read the entire book:  http://www.leif.org/EOS/Sun-Weather-Climate.pdf

 

“A growing mass of evidence suggests that transient events on the Sun affect our weather and long-term variations of the Sun’s energy output affect our climate. Solar terrestrial exploration can help establish the physical cause and effect relationships between solar stimuli and terrestrial responses. When these relationships are understood, science will have an essential tool for weather and climate prediction.” This paragraph, written by Robert D. Chapman as part of a proposal for a five-year plan for Solar Terrestrial Programs in the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, is an indication of the present status of Sun-weather/climate investigations.

 

Kitt Peak National Observatory was founded by  my dad:

 

Kitt Peak was selected by its first director, Aden B. Meinel, in 1958 as the site for a national observatory under contract with the National Science Foundation (NSF) and was administered by the Association of Universities for Research in Astronomy. The land was leased from theTohono O’odham under a perpetual agreement.

 

McMath–Pierce solar telescope was launched because my father was very curious about the Ice Ages and why they began so abruptly, end suddenly and are periodic in nature.  He suspected it had something to do with the sun changing its characteristics.

 

TheMcMath–Pierce solar telescopeis a 1.6 mf/54reflectingsolar telescope at Kitt Peak National ObservatoryinArizona,USA. The building was designed by Myron Goldsmithand built in 1962. It is the largest telescope of its kind in the world and is named for astronomers Robert McMathand Keith Pierce. At the dedication in 1962, Dr. Waterman read a letter[2]from President Kennedystarting with:

 

The great new solar telescope at the Kitt Peak National Observatory in Arizona is a source of pride to the nation. The largest instrument for solar research in the world, it presents American astronomers with a unique tool for investigating the nearest of the stars, our sun. This project is of exceptional interest to all our citizens…

 

This observatory was my playground when I was a kid.  My grandfather always told me, ‘We should study our nearest star, the sun, not ignore it.’  My father eventually decided he was right about this.  My father persuaded NASA to focus on the sun, too.  Then, for some horrible reason, NASA has dropped the sun as the main driver and decided it is all CO2 that makes ‘climate change’ which is pure insanity.  But lucrative for government funding which began to collapse under Reagan, Bush Sr. and Clinton until money was revived by making NASA a ‘we are roasting to death!’ propaganda machine for the CO2 derivatives market.’

 

Back to the book my father gave me half a century ago:

 

The literature on this subject covers a period of more than 100 years, and many distinguished scientists have contributed. Nevertheless, until very recently, Sun-weather/climate investigations have not been taken very seriously by many scientists. In the last fewyears, compelling (but not absolutely conclusive) evidence for correlations between solar variations and the area of tropospheric cyclones has helped to make this subject suitable for serious studies. Almost every large solar-terrestrial symposium now includes at least one session on Sun-weather/climate investigations.

 

So true!!! I remember those days really well because I participated in these meetings to some degree!  I knew many of the scientists!!!  Since early childhood!!!!!!  Suddenly, these meetings have ceased.  Now, it is omerta, silence.  No media stories about talk about sun spots!  Remember sun spots?  I bet many young people have no idea the real driver of ‘hot or cold’ is those pesky sun spots!

This book is particularly welcome at a time at which many astronomers, space scientists, geophysicists, and meteorologists are entering the field of Sun-weather/climate investigation. The subject is an example par excellence of an interdisciplinary endeavor in which any single scientist is not likely to have professional competence throughout the entire range of relevant subject matter. The literature on the subject is often confusing and contradictory and of highly variable quality.

 

Yes, people flooded in for a while and there was all sorts of papers published.  Today, the CO2 storyline has locked out everyone quite literally.  These clowns locked out my own highly regarded father just before he died of a broken heart.  I am still furious about that.

Within the present state of meteorological art, short-term weather forecasts for a given region are rarely accurate beyond a lead time of about 2 days. Longer-term forecasts (up to about 30 days) based on computer modeling of atmosphere systems are marginally effective, and long-term changes in climate are anybody’s guess.

 

NOAA’s long range predictions are total fantasy.  For the last several years until recently, they uniformly showed only ‘warmer than ever before’ predictions.  Now, they concede that the near future might not be warm at all but this is niggardly done.  At no point have they shown the true nature of extreme cold in the Midwest and Great Lakes, for example.

The only way in which this state of affairs can be improved is to improve the predictability of weather and climate. Standard meteorological techniques, even with more sophisticated and complicated computer modeling techniques, can be improved only by introducing new concepts of the workings of the whole atmospheric system.

 

One key element that has been largely ignored and that we believe could be crucial to a better understanding and predictability of weather and climate is the possible influence of solar activity on meteorological and climatological parameters. We use the term solar activity to distinguish the transient and energetic outbursts of solar energy from the more regular radiation often termed the solar constant.

 

I highly recommend this old book, I wish there were new ones since we have more observations of the sun to include!  Rats.  I am so pissed about all of this.

 

This book, by the way, makes zero mention of CO2 as anything important.  Cosmic rays are talked about, for example.  But not CO2.  The CO2 hysteria is a mania, not science.  A very lucrative mania and users of energy are being heavily taxed and seeing the beginnings of a deterioration in services thanks to this stupid mania.  The EU is strangling the people of Europe to force them into fixing the imaginary CO2 problem.

 

This is going to kill millions and millions of people if it doesn’t start WWIII.

 

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38 responses to “1978 NASA Book, ‘Sun, Weather, And Climate’ Has Zero Mention Of CO2

  1. melponeme_k

    Not only is the Co2 deal a way to put easy money into the elite’s pocket, it is a way for them to keep up their lavish lifestyles of personal jets, millions of cars and boats. We are past peak oil and they don’t want to share what is left with the rest of the populace.

    So, in the future, we’ll all be shivering in the snow while thumbing rides from horse buggies while they fly over our heads in private planes.

    Maybe scratch the horse drawn cart idea. Horses fart too much. I’m sure they will be banned as Co2 producers.

  2. ziff

    ”atmospheric composition”

  3. Sunger

    Maybe you should go visit the Eskimos and get their take on the situation. They seem to feel that climate change is the real deal.

    Just all that melting ice in the arctic………hmm

  4. melponeme_k

    @Sunger

    They are called Inuit. Eskimo is a slander term.

    The Inuit are no longer the people they were in the past. They were nomadic and followed the game they made their livings upon. That meant they followed the ice. During the last ice age they lived further up North than they do today. This is because today’s Inuit are settled in housing communities. This was done in order to receive US government subsidies.

    During the last ice age, when my people crossed the land bridge, the greater part of central Alaska was ice free. This is how Native Americans gained access to the Americas.

    Most of the land losing ice in Alaska now was ice-free during the last ice age. The fact that the land bridge of the past ice age is returning is cause for greater alarm since it is proof of a coming ice age not global warming.

  5. emsnews

    Melponeme, he forgot to talk about POLAR BEARS. Supposedly, they are dying due to not enough ice even though their favorite hunting grounds, the Hudson Bay, is completely frozen already. 🙂

  6. John

    Now, they concede that the near future might not be warm at all but this is niggardly done.

    I understand this word. But I also understand the way it’s been twisted in modern terms, and I must wonder, why would you use it?

  7. emsnews

    Yes, just like ‘gypped’. Which come from ‘gypsy’.

    There are a host of words like that. How about ‘churlish’. This word was created by my Norman ancestors who ruled England. It refers to the peasants ruled by them.

    How about ‘villain’? You know, the evil bad guy? This common word is Norman-French for ‘villager’! Again, referring entirely to peasants!

    I could go on and on but I hope you get the point, John, MANY lower class people have been subjected to this regime of having their identity be attached to a word meaning something nasty.

    A number of Latin words, for example, are this sort of past history. I think this sort of thing has gone on for the last 10,000 years. ‘Neanderthal’ is used this way, not to mention, ‘ape’.

  8. Peter C.

    Previous generations had something called common sense.You do not have to be a specialist to understand something and sometimes it is better without preconceived ideas.Like a “climate scientist”
    If the Sun wasn’t there we would be a frozen ball of ice.Proceed from there,what could be more important for earths temperature?

  9. Sunger

    Elaine, a NASA book from 1978 does not invalidate 25 years of climate research by scientists from the world since that time.

    And why is the Arctic sea ice disappearing at such a fast rate? The evidence is in the satellite photos taken over many years.

    Of course the GOP does not believe in climate change. They believe we should use the words of 3,000 year old religious fanatics and magic books to guide and govern a modern technological society. Elaine why are you siding with such backward folks?

    ΩΩΩ

    ELAINE: You are funny as hell! Both the Arctic and Antarctic are seeing ice GROW, not shrink. This is the definition of lunacy, not able to see something so obvious.

  10. melponeme_k

    @Sunger

    The arctic ice sheet is growing. The sub-arctic ice sheet is growing. The satellite pictures are available for anyone to see.

  11. John

    Elaine, I have no problem with the word. I just think using it allows the Sharpton types to take focus off your excellent analysis. I fully understand your point about such words – and I agree with you. Unfortunately, the aggressor sets the rules of the conflict, and the warmists who are also the race-baiters are definitely the aggressors these days. I hate to have to self censor like that, but I have found that it prevents the liars from having an easy distraction. Such are the days in which we live.

  12. emsnews

    So, when you are cheated, you never say you have been gypped? See how silly this is in the end?

  13. @emsnews:
    Despite all the name calling, viciousness, cruelty, censorship of anyone…

    Oh, boo-hoo. You have no problem dishing it out, yet you complain when it gets thrown back at you. Nothing gets my goat more than when some willing shill or unwitting dupe for the fossil fuel industry throws down the victim card. If you don’t like being made so uncomfortable, then you have my permission to go back to defending the tobacco industry.

    …who understands how the sun is the #1 big time major driver of climate and temperatures on our planet…

    No way, really? Please! Of course the Sun is #1–duh. The problem now happens to be the added heat caused by the Sun that gasses we are putting into the atmosphere is holding in. Why is this so difficult to perceive?

    …global warmists who refuse to look out the window or who live in places that never saw glaciation during the previous Ice Ages…

    When you look out the window, unless it’s the window of the International Space Station, it’s your own narrow locality. We’re talking about global warming, not local warming! Previous Ice Ages? You pull out the same old “climate change cannot be human-caused today because it wasn’t caused by humans in the past.” Are you sure you want to go down that climate science denial fallacy path? Besides, you believe it with no questions asked when paleoclimatologists tell you about the Ice Ages, but when they tell you about the roll that greenhouse gasses played in many of the warm periods, you suddenly accuse them of being conspiratorially dishonest. Why is that?

    ΩΩΩ

    ELAINE: Last winter, my ‘window’ was 90% of the entire North American continent! This is where the goofy ‘global warming’ game collapses. All the warmists last year talked endlessly about California’s small (three years is very short!) drought while studiously ignoring the gigantic sea of ice, snow and unusual cold.

    This is why the warmist frauds had to change the name of their goofy belief system to ‘climate change’ which is childishly stupid. It is like a child closing their eyes and yelling, ‘YOU can’t see me!’

    ΩΩΩ

    Again, local warming. Just like the study you and all the other pro-oil billionaire sites are currently pushing. Once again, it’s Vostok, Antarctica, a station that represents a strict and finite locality on planet earth. What follows is the last line in the study’s abstract that you forgot to include:

    These results indicate that solar activity might have potential influences on the long-term change of Vostok’s local climate during the past 11,000 years before modern industry.

    But no, you go on to say:

    This is taking direct aim at the global warmists. Bravo. About time, more and more papers will be coming out refuting this bizarre religion that seems to be sucking the life out of climatology and space sciences. This paper, like so many other strikes at the dogma, won’t see any coverage in the mainstream media.

    The scientists who did the research and wrote that study are not foot soldiers for “free markets.” It’s the same as if they wrote a paper that added yet another stick to the fire of the overwhelming reality of global warming, they shouldn’t be labeled “dishonest scientists on the government take.” Mainstream Media = Corporate Media. The only thing the corporate media is concerned about is its bottom line. If it’s a story (pro or con) about a scientific paleoclimatological study concerning no area of the planet save for Vostok, Antarctica, they won’t run it. I keep asking this question: How many “final nails in the global warming coffin” have we so far been made to endure? And yet the earth keeps warming in spite of it all.

  14. So, when you are cheated, you never say you have been gypped? See how silly this is in the end?

    Unlike “niggardly,” “gypped” is a racist term. While “niggardly” chronically gets people into trouble mostly because of a simple misunderstanding:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_%22niggardly%22
    the word “gypped” is like the word “jewed,” it’s derived from the perception that eastern European Gypsies could not be trusted. It’s offensive and dehumanizing.

    Personally, I think the use of the word “niggardly” is confusing and unnecessary. Millions of people have lived out their days never having to use that word or even hearing of it.

  15. emsnews

    The mainstream media is owned by a very small, very rich group many of whom also happen to be participants in the Bilderberg meetings where they all conspire in total secrecy, while surrounded by military supplied by the host government, to figure out their propaganda and coup plans.

    These meetings began way back at the end of WWII. Yes, this is a conspiracy! Yes, the ‘main stream media’ is their mouthpiece. Anyone who becomes rich and has power is asked to join this secretive group of elites.

    If someone, anyone, irritates them, they eliminate this person. For example, the owner of CNN was persuaded to sell stock in his company and then they took over his board of directors and threw him out.

    I knew Ted Turner! I warned him, this was their plan. He wanted the cash! So he fell into their trap, He then fled the US and no longer is in the public eye just like Jimmy Carter, my father’s friend, who is also cut out of view unless it is an attack on him!

  16. Luke

    EMS, excellent rebuttal on AGW.
    As to AIPAC how does it interface with Bilderbergers?

  17. Luke

    ‘Yes, just like ‘gypped’. Which come from ‘gypsy’.’. That band are often thieves. They deserve the term.

  18. emsnews

    AIPAC is a huge sub group inside the Bilderberg business.

  19. John

    Actually, I don’t use the word “gypped.” It’s just not something I say. Not because of the connotations, just because I don’t use it.

    “Niggardly” is not a problem because of “a simple misunderstanding.” It is a purposeful misrepresentation, a ploy by the Sharpton types, designed to further enhance their victim status. The media gleefully participates in this misrepresentation, which is why I think it’s just better to avoid the word. Elaine, that was my only point.

    Jim Spriggs, if you think that Elaine is a “shill for the fossil fuel industry,” you aren’t paying attention; she is anything but. But I don’t think you actually think that. This is just more “progressive” character assassination, designed to smear anyone who can argue coherently against your AGW religion.

    The bottom line is that climate change is not correlated with CO2. It is, however, correlated with solar activity and sunspots. No amount of huffing and puffing will change this very simple fact.

  20. Emsnews, I agree with you about CNN, the Corporate News Network. I stopped watching it when Ted Turner was pushed out. It became an embarrassment to real journalism and it’s been that way ever since. In the interest of expediency I left out the part where the Corporate Media does have an agenda: It’s the corporate agenda. You won’t hear MSNBC say anything about Net Neutrality because Big Telecom owns the Corporate Media, and you won’t hear the Corporate Media talk about voter suppression, Citizens United, forced wealth inequality, or our endless string of profit-driven wars; because billionaires (including a Saudi prince), multinationals, and the congressional-military industrial complex owns the American Corporate Media.
    http://billmoyers.com/2014/10/30/bernie-sanders-big-money-big-media/

    @Luke
    ‘Yes, just like ‘gypped’. Which come from ‘gypsy’.’. That band are often thieves. They deserve the term.

    Please read this.
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/12/22/american-gypsies-are-a-persecuted-minority-that-is-starting-to-fight-back.html
    I heard the story about the “Blond Angel” last year. The Roma are not “a band who are often thieves so deserve the term.” We are in the 21st century now.

    @John
    It is a purposeful misrepresentation, a ploy by the Sharpton types, designed to further enhance their victim status. The media gleefully participates in this misrepresentation…

    I just provided a link to background on the subject. It’s loaded with links to external sources. Are you going to read it, or is continuing to express unfounded “feelings” on the issue preferable?

  21. Jim Spriggs

    @emsnews:
    ELAINE: Last winter, my ‘window’ was 90% of the entire North American continent! This is where the goofy ‘global warming’ game collapses. All the warmists last year talked endlessly about California’s small (three years is very short!) drought while studiously ignoring the gigantic sea of ice, snow and unusual cold.

    If three years is short by climatic standards, then so is three to four months out of only one year.

    Here are NOAA stats for last year’s Winter for the United States. You mentioned North America, but I’ve only included the U.S. because it’s harder to get an aggregate, and some of us only seem to be concerned about what goes on in the United States.

    Climate Highlights — winter (December 2013 – February 2014)
    The average temperature for the contiguous U.S. during the winter was 31.3°F, 1.0°F below the 20th century average. This winter ranked as the 34th coldest winter on record and the coldest since 2009/10.
    Alaska had its 8th warmest December-February since records began in 1918, with a temperature 6.20°F (3.44°C) above the 1971-2000 average.
    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/national/2014/2

    Why was it only the 34th coldest winter in 119 years of records? Because most of the land west of the Rocky Mountains was warmer and drier than average, so those warmer temperatures offset the cold snaps to the east. California had its hottest winter on record, and several other states came close. Though it is not included in the contiguous U.S. measurements, Alaska also thawed in spring-like heat and rain that melted snow and ice. http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=83371

    I can’t stress this enough: When we say global warming, we do not mean New York State cooling, West-of-the-Rockies warming, or Midwest freezing. We don’t mean United States cooling or North America warming. It’s called global warming for an obvious reason.

    Our planet, the only home we have, does not play games. The average temperature of the earth is increasing and humans are the primary cause. That’s the bottom line.

    ΩΩΩ

    ELAINE: #!: NOAA and the warmists howl that a 0.1 hike in ‘world temperatures’ is DANGEROUS and at the same time, you guys then claim a national drop of -1.5 degrees is NOTHING???? HAHAHAHA..

    Right!

    And it wasn’t ‘warmer than usual in half the nation’. The Rockies were cold! It was only the last 600 miles of the coastal regions which was less than 20% of the continent and you, of course, IGNORE CANADA which is half of the continent. All warmists pretend Canada doesn’t exist for obvious reasons.

    #2 lie you are peddling: No, last winter was NOT ‘three months long’ it was much longer than normal. It began very early with 0º F in mid-November to May. And Summer was very cool across the same 80% of the nation, not the sliver along the West Coast!

  22. Jim Spriggs

    @John
    Jim Spriggs, if you think that Elaine is a “shill for the fossil fuel industry,” you aren’t paying attention…
    I didn’t even say that. I said:
    …when some willing shill or unwitting dupe for the fossil fuel industry…>/i>
    There goes another premise.

    The bottom line is that climate change is not correlated with CO2.
    Are you going to back up that statement with some science, or is not being taken seriously a satisfactory position?

    ΩΩΩ

    ELAINE: If I am a dupe, you are a dope.

  23. Jim Spriggs

    @emsnews:
    I have the 1978 edition of this NASA book about the sun: Sun, Weather, and Climate: John R. Herman, Richard A. Goldberg …click here to read the entire book: http://www.leif.org/EOS/Sun-Weather-Climate.pdf

    Thanks for making this great book available. It was written in 1978. Wasn’t that the setting for the popular myth “scientists were warning us about global cooling in the 70’s so lets not believe anything they’re saying now”
    that’s still being pushed today in an effort to discredit climatologists?

    This book, by the way, makes zero mention of CO2 as anything important. Cosmic rays are talked about, for example. But not CO2. The CO2 hysteria is a mania, not science.

    Greenhouse gas theory is 150 years old. That’s quite a chronic manic phenomenon. I think what the book says on page 288 about how CO2 and water vapor block IR may be short, but it’s important:

    Not listed in the table but also important are visible radia-
    tion and near infrared; these rays penetrate all the way to the surface.
    Infrared radiation is absorbed largely in the atmosphere by CO2 and
    water vapor, depending on wavelength, and, since about half the
    solar constant is carried by infrared radiation at wavelengths >700
    nm (Thekaekara, 1975), this part of the solar spectrum may be ex-
    ceedingly important.

    Even the “figure 1.1” you posted shows the centrally located Outgoing IR Radiation at the mercy of Precipitable Water Vapor, Cloud Cover, and Atmospheric Composition.

    Even then, the idea of global warming actually occurring was held by the majority of climate scientists but that the discipline and the collection of evidence was still in its infancy.
    http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2008BAMS2370.1

    A very lucrative mania and users of energy are being heavily taxed and seeing the beginnings of a deterioration in services thanks to this stupid mania.The EU is strangling the people of Europe to force them into fixing the imaginary CO2 problem.

    Sooner or later we come to the inevitable “taxes and regulations” mythology. All the “science” on the side of multinationals and pseudo-libertarians against the theory of global warming seems to be based on this platform.

  24. emsnews

    The proof is in the pudding.

    This is why the warmists all decided to eliminate previous hot spells from the record by tinkering with the data. We have proof they CONSPIRED to do this when a bunch of emails they sent each other discussing how to get rid of the Medival Warm Period and the 1930’s warm period.

    They came to a consensus to LIE about these time frames and pretend they didn’t happen!

    This is criminal and even a warmist should be furious about lies. But for some very odd reason, they aren’t angry even after these lying emails were published.

    Why is that?

    Well…THE NEWS ABOUT THE EMAILS WAS SUPPRESSED IN THE US!!!!

    Imagine that!

    These CO2 taxes are not ‘inevitable’. They are a fraud designed to put very onerous taxes on the lower classes while the rich don’t even notice a small but insidious tax. It is not a small tax, either, for the lower classes.

    It costs thousands of dollars!

    As the sun shuts down as it has done repeatedly for the 2.5 million years, all the warmist junk will be disowned by the masses who will probably string up the scientists in a rage.

  25. emsnews

    I am not against the business of ‘gases heat up the planet’ because we would be a ball of ice if that wasn’t true.

    But water vapor remains the chief ‘vapor’ that heats us like a nice blanket. CO2 is plant food. Plants have been starved of food ever since the Ice Ages began.

    We are still in the Ice Ages and at the end of a typical, brief, and NOT THE STATUS QUO warm cycle. Another sudden onset Ice Age is much nearer than further in time.

    It could begin tomorrow with virtually no warning. Anyone with a brain looking at the Interglacial interruptions of the severe cold that normally grips the planet can see, they all begin and end the same way: with utter, total suddenness.

    Like falling off a cliff.

  26. Luke

    Winter begins tomorrow. Lets see how the weather goes.

    As for ‘Elaine is a “shill for the fossil fuel industry,” [!] If that is true she is an unpaid shill shoveling snow. [hows that for a tongue twister?].

    What about all the paid shills? Paid by the Gov Inc? Pseudo scientists and fools like Bill Mc Kibben?

  27. John

    Jim Spriggs

    I just provided a link to background on the subject. It’s loaded with links to external sources. Are you going to read it, or is continuing to express unfounded “feelings” on the issue preferable?

    Sweetheart, I read the article. It proved my point. Some black people have used the word’s similarity to the “N-word” to claim butthurt and garner concessions from others. Even when confronted with the fact that niggardly is NOT the “N-word,” they refuse to back down. It is a PURPOSEFUL misrepresentation designed to enhance their “victim” status. Just like I said in the first place.

    The bottom line is that climate change is not correlated with CO2.

    Are you going to back up that statement with some science, or is not being taken seriously a satisfactory position?

    It’s already been backed up with plenty of science which, when presented to you, you ignore or dismiss. This is because you are a member of a religious cult known as The Church of Anthropogenic Global Warming.

  28. Jim R

    CO2 is plant food.

    Elaine, you claim to like science. I’d like to suggest an experiment.

    Put a tent over one of your maple seedlings next summer. Get a block of dry ice from the grocery store. Put it in the tent one sunny spring day. Let us know of the sudden growth spurt (or if the seedling dies).

    Human activity, such as electric generators burning a trainload of coal every day, are spewing way more CO2 than all the remaining plants can take in. Between that and deforestation, we are causing a spike in atmospheric carbon whose only precedent is in the Permian. The final effect on climate remains to be seen, but the fact of this pollutant remains.

    I don’t hold out any expectation of success on the part of the financial fraudsters or politicians, but there remains some hope that peak oil will apply the brakes on some of this activity.

  29. John

    CO2 is less than 1% of the atmosphere. The video RIGHT ABOVE YOUR POST clearly states this. We measure its increases in parts per million. The idea that it’s a “poison gas” is specious at best.

    Humans need oxygen for metabolism. What happens if a human is forced to breathe pure oxygen? The same thing that happens to the plant in your scenario.

    this is the problem with the AGW crowd. Their grasp of logic and reason, let alone science, is tenuous at best.

  30. emsnews

    Dry ice would freeze the plants!

    Dry ice is what is at the north pole of Mars.

    Humans die if they don’t have enough CO2 to breathe in.

  31. Jim R

    Spring day, summer day whatever it takes.

    Look on page 288 of your book, Elaine. You lied; it does mention CO2 as an infrared absorber.

    I am shocked, shocked, I tell you, that a book about solar activity does not have more information on the Yen/Dollar cross and its relation to market volatility and the prices of commodities.

  32. emsnews

    It is not even the subject of a chapter.

  33. Jim R

    And, another inaccuracy. Humans do not need any CO2 in the air they breathe. A simple mixture of 20% O2 and 80% N2 is perfectly acceptable. A little H2O in the mix improves it, but is not absolutely necessary.

  34. emsnews

    BOY ARE YOU WRONG.

  35. Jim R

    The astronauts were breathing just the 20% oxygen for quite a while. That is, they left out the N2 and used O2 at 0.2 bar to save weight. Until that tragedy in the Apollo capsule.

    Of course, you’re always exhaling CO2, so there will always be a little of it in your vicinity.

  36. emsnews

    DUH. Not a lot! Of course! Which should clue you into the fact that there is little of that in the atmosphere, too.

  37. Jim R

    But you don’t need it. You need to get rid of it.

  38. emsnews

    I hope you move to another planet since you seem bent on destroying our planet. 🙂

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