Saudi Arabia Bombs Yemen: Time To Review Thucydides History ‘Peloponnesian War’

Peloponnesian War and Thucydides

 

ISIS ‘Reign of Terror’: Children Beheaded, Crucified, Buried Alive …One hundred years before the Macedonian general, Alexander the Great crushed Greece, and three hundred years before Rome turned the Greek great thinkers and people into slaves, the Athenians who are greatly admired for their ‘democracy’ and culture were actually on the rampage, raping, murdering, stealing and abusing everyone else even fellow Greeks, no less, in brutal materialistic wars.  Think the ISIS and other Islamic warriors are nasty?  No nastier than the cultivated, intelligent ancient Athenians.

 

The very first real historian was Thucydides who wrote detailed chain of events, diplomacy, speeches, actions and philosophy of rulers 2,400 years ago in Greece.  His massive opus is The History of the Peloponnesian War, by Thucydides 431 BC which details all the tragic diplomatic choices and brutal warfare that raged across the Mediterranean Sea as Athens fought Sparta after the great victories against Persia that Americans seem to like celebrating in movies like the ▶ 300 –

The Athenians now withdrew from the conference; and the Melians…answered: “Our resolution, Athenians, is the same as it was at first. We will not in a moment deprive of freedom a city that has been inhabited these seven hundred years; but we put our trust in the fortune by which the gods have preserved it until now…Meanwhile we invite you to allow us to be friends to you and foes to neither party…”

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The Athenian envoys now returned to the army; and the Melians showing no signs of yielding, the generals at once betook themselves to hostilities…Subsequently the Athenians returned with most of their army….and besieged the place.

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…the Melians attacked by night and took the part of the Athenian lines over against the market, and killed some of the men, and brought in corn and all else that they could find useful to them, and so returned and kept quiet, while the Athenians took measures to keep better guard in future.

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(After many more events)…the Melians again took another part of the Athenian lines which were but feebly garrisoned 9due to uprisings elsewhere requiring Athenian troops).

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Reinforcements afterwards arriving from Athens in consequence, under the command of Philocrates, son of Demeas, the siege was now pressed vigorously; and some treachery taking place inside, the Melians surrendered at discretion to the Athenians, who put to death all the grown men whom they took, and sold the women and children for slaves, and subsequently sent out five hundred colonists and inhabited the place themselves.

 

Socrates was around when all this was happening and fought in several key battles such as Battle of Potidaea.  Thycydides was a general who failed in one of the many sieges of this long drawn out war and he ended up writing history while in exile.  The long, long wars that raged nearly out of control killed the Athenian democracy and in the twilight of the ‘great hour’ at the top of the cultural pyramid, Greece fell a long, long ways downwards until the lands ended up enslaved repeatedly for thousands of years.  Not dozens or even hundreds but for over 2,000 years.

 

ECB Tells Greek Banks Not to Boost Exposure to Athens Government’s Debt as the clock relentlessly ticks downwards to Doomsday. The collapse of Greece may destroy the entire European Union confederacy which wouldn’t shock me at all since no confederacy lasts very long in any crisis situation since no one has reason to suffer for other entities’ sins.  That is, why make a sacrifice for someone you don’t control?

 

The Greek wars over 2,000 years ago were not wars with strangers but rather ALLIES who were various levels of interaction inside of a loose confederation.  It didn’t work.  The US is at war with many many millions of angry Muslims and every time we waste trillions of dollars and the lives of citizens fighting these endless wars, we win nothing when we win because victory collapses within weeks or even hours of our ‘victories’.

 

These are bankrupting the US worse than the bankruptcy in Greece.

 

BREAKING NEWS: Saudi Arabia starts bombing Yemen – envoy because the ruler of Yemen has fled and the rebels have taken over.  Saudi Arabia and the US/NATO forces have been using cowardly assassin drones for years in Yemen in order to control the Muslim populations there and this has been a 100% failure as I said from day one.

 

Assassin drones don’t work.  Ever.  They are stupid, a waste, evil, war criminal stuff.  We should be ashamed of using this tool.  It doesn’t work because it only makes opponents stronger, not weaker.  ISIS was born in Saudi Arabia just like al Qaeda and for the exact same reasons and al Qaeda, far from being dead after the illegal assassination of bin Laden, is 100% bigger and stronger today thanks to the methods we used to kill bin Laden.

 

I said way back then, the assassination of bin Laden was stupid and cowardly and would destabilize Pakistan which it certainly has done.  All the dreadful things happening there today were made much worse by US diplomacy and policies and war methods.  Just like ancient Greece with some of the world’s top, greatest philosophers and historians who were very civilized and cultivated and intelligent, all walking helplessly into slavery, debt, destruction, collapse and of course, war crimes…we don’t hold our heads as high as these great thinkers and doers who did themselves straight into hell.

 

The debates that raged in Athens while these disasters were created is most interesting to read and our Founding Fathers greatly admired the Thucydides history above all other histories which is why they were so adamant about overseas adventures and entanglements and argued that these should be avoided at all costs as well as religious warfare which they knew was quite toxic.

 

We have tons more histories written in the last 2,500 years yet we learn absolutely nothing from any of this which is why the Goddess of History is a bloody bitch who sits on a pile of corpses, laughing hysterically while She writes with her bloody pen, all the lovely disasters She sees.

 

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26 responses to “Saudi Arabia Bombs Yemen: Time To Review Thucydides History ‘Peloponnesian War’

  1. emsnews

    Actually, I was rereading the Thucydides book while lying in bed trying to sleep and instead, I got utterly disgusted and couldn’t sleep. This is worse than the sled dog book that angered me so much.

    Poor Thucydides! Like Cassandra, he had to live his long life watching the collapse of Athens.

    I remember very vividly when I first learned about Cassandra. I was utterly pissed off and yelled, ‘How can people be so STUPID! Especially when Cassandra explains why these things will happen?”

    And then I learned, year after bitter year why no one listens to her. They hate her, then as well as now. The State Department knows who I am and where I am.

    Several Presidents knew exactly what I have said in the past. NASA knows me very well, I am a NASA brat! Been there since its birth….

    And no one listens to me. Thank you, readers, for defying the gods.

  2. melponeme_k

    Elaine, Thank you for writing and continuing to write. Unfortunately no one wants to know reality or as close as we humans can know it. Its scary…its the Baba Yaga’s house. And I have a feeling that you and everyone else who reads this site has asked her more than 3 questions. I know I have.

    ΩΩΩ

    ELAINE: When I was a child, I thought I was reincarnation of Baba Yaga. Actually, living in a house on chicken legs really interested me when I was young, I also wanted it to have wings.

  3. Pontiff Holysh*t

    After the war, Themistocles used his navy to basically go around and rob the weaker islands.

    The purpose of war is so the few (elites) may profit at the expense of the many. (Elaine’s readers: take heed!)

    Happily, the next major war will be the last. Although it may take a few hundred thousand years for the last human to actually die.

  4. emsnews

    WWIII will be utterly hideous.

    I have already seen it, many years ago. My father was part of the creation of the nuclear missile program. I grew up hearing about WWIII and watching its systems be created.

    TRUE STORY: My dad trained us to run like hell if WWIII started. ‘If you hear jets taking off from Davis Monthan AFB (in Tucson) one after the other, run for the Mount Lemmon pass and hide because Tucson and the missile base behind Mount Lemmon will be turned into glass.’

    So…one fine day, this happened: all the jets took off one after the other, fast. I was diagramming sentences in Junior High. I rode a bike to school.

    I looked out the window in deepest distress. I raised my hand. ‘I have to go now.’ I said.

    The teacher said, ‘Why?’

    ‘Because WWIII has begun,’ I said. I then RAN. She yelled at me. I got on my bike and took off. Only to learn Kenned had been shot.

    My father was already home and preparing to be flown to Texas to talk to LBJ who was now suddenly the President. My dad was one of the people involved with the Cuban Missile Crisis, the plane that photographed the missiles going to Cuba used my dad’s spy cameras and Kennedy wanted him to appraise the pictures.

    So…we were not blown up and this was thanks 100% to Khrushchev. Thank god.

    WWIII is why I track international events closely. The idiots pushing for war with PUTIN are INSANE. He can kill everyone if he flicks his little finger. Just like our own government can do and is doing. GAH.

  5. emsnews

    And the stupid tanks in Eastern Europe sent by NATO???

    STUPID! They are toys, useless for warfare. Relics. Russia’s missiles are the best on earth. The US missile program has had to ride on the back of the Russkies.

    Had since nearly day one, in truth, that and the Nazis.

    NASA has been wrecked. The Pentagon works for Zionists who are focused on Jerusalem and Meggido which is where the Apocalypse is going to happen. No one is protecting my nation, America.

  6. Jim R

    Heh heh, maybe you need to fly away in your iron mortar.

    I had totally forgotten about those stories from my childhood. Baba Yaga was the baddedest badass of them all!

  7. e sutton

    You poor, disillusioned white people. Don’t you know that Socrates, Thucydides, Euripides, Sophocles, et. al. are so 20th century? Angela Davis is what’s hot in philosophy now! Pshaw! What did Madison and Jefferson know about government and philosophy any how?

    http://www.amren.com/news/2015/03/philosophy-has-to-be-about-more-than-white-men/

  8. e sutton

    On a more serious note, thank you Elaine for providing the context and background of what is truly going on in the world today. (Wish I had that cartoon of the Peloponnesian war in college. Would have made putting the pieces into place much, much easier.)

  9. Petruchio

    “Assassin drones don’t work. Ever. ” True, but maybe that’s not the point. Maybe the point is that it would be very easy for potential enemies to give the US warmongers a taste of their own medicine, meaning the US being on the receiving end of assassin drones? Two can play the assassin drone “game”.

  10. Seraphim

    Athena is the Goddess of Wisdom, science, etc. But she is a Goddess of War as well. Of “scientific war” let’s say. ” While Ares goes to war with frenzy and chaos, Athena is the goddess who helps warriors make wise choices that will eventually lead to victory”. Athena is typically portrayed with her companion, Nike, the goddess of victory. Victory meant the slaughter of the vanquished.

  11. Floridasandy

    I think the hatred for the jews often expressed here blinds a few to the atrocities of the extreme religious zealots.

    I would rather have an israeli jew for my neighbor than any of these muslim zealots who kill for their own empowerment, seeing that they are actually helpless with all the oppression in those countries.

    I don’t think we need to get involved unless it spreads past the mideast, but on some level we are our brothers keeper and these atrocities, just like the nazi atrocities, should not be ignored- but punished.

    I just disagree on who needs to do the punishing.

    People who enjoy torturing other people aren’t worth saving , at least not in this world.

  12. lyrac

    Thank you Elaine for your great insights and knowledge of history. I would only make one exception: Osama bin Laden died in December, 2001, presumably of kidney disease. It was reported in an Egyptian newspaper, I believe. The so-called raid in Pakistan was another government lie.

  13. emsnews

    No, he was very much alive. The reason his body was hidden was due to the Skull and Bones wanting his skull alongside Geronimo.

    Furthermore, the Skull and Bones Yalies are all Bilderberg gangsters and they believe that the Skulls will assist them in magic spells to control all humanity,

    These Skulls have a huge sense of humor.

    So they said, ‘Tell everyone they will roast to death unless they are shoved into unheated huts and treated like peasants.’ Knowing very well the peasants would revolt and kill the Skull and Bones jerks.

    The Geronimo Skull, for example, said, ‘Invade Afghanistan!’ Knowing very well the US would lose a trillion dollars and be defeated. I know this for certain because while alive, bin Laden said exactly that!

    The Skull and Bones was founded by one of my direct ancestors, Henry Steele. My family has very deep connections with Henry’s black magic.

  14. Christian W

    I’d say that was a nice troll Floridasandy, but then I think you truly believe what you are saying, which makes your statement simply “less well informed” to be polite.

    I haven’t seen any “hatred for Jews” (anti-semitism) expressed here… This argument is the same as equating all Jews with Zionism ie pure garbage.

    Israeli Jews kill for their own empowerment. Israel commits atrocities against the Palestinians on a daily basis. Israel, since it’s creation, has been in the process of ethnic cleansing of the native population. That is what the Netanyahu government is all about, Netanyahu doesn’t even hide it anymore. Netanyahu endorses a full apartheid state in Israel until only the pure blooded chosen ones remain. In other words, Israel is full of extreme religious Jewish zealots. These zealots even run your very own government, much to your personal detriment Sandy, in case you haven’t noticed.

    You claim to dislike Muslim extreme religous zealotry, but this extreme religious zealotry is but another face of Jewish religous zealotry. ISIS, Al Nusra (ie Al Qaeda) etc are US/Israeli creations. They are creations of Jewish zealotry (Zionism). The US and Israel fanatics train and arm these Sunni/Wahhabi fanatics and give them intelligence and support. ISIS/Al Qaeda/Israel and the US are inseparable. They are one unit. You can argue which part is the the right hand, which is the left etc but ISIS and Al Qaeda without direct and tacit Israeli and US support, often through their vassal kingdoms in the Gulf plus Jordan, and Turkey, would not exist.

    There is an enormous organization behind ISIS and Al Nusra. Without this organized support neither ISIS or Al Nusra would be able to fight for longer than a week or two. Someone (WHO? Definitely not Assad in Syria, not Iran, not Lebanon nor Russia) supports them, gives them tons and tons of weapons and ammunition and everything a war machine needs, trains their fighters, recruits new fighters for them and so on.

    An example:

    Israel is the refuge for Al Nusra (Al Qaeda) in Syria. When things get too hot in Syria they pop over the border into Israeli territory, or Israeli occupied territory, for protection and recuperation. Israel has treated over 2000 Al Nusra fighters in Israeli military hospitals, after fixing them up these fighters are then sent back into the war on Syria. In other words Israel is actively supporting Al Qaeda. This is not a secret, even an Israeli newspaper wrote about this. Turkey does the same.

    Since Israel supports Al Qaeda, we can see that Al Qaeda really is on the side of Israel, and the US. Al Nusra NEVER attacks Jewish targets. ISIS NEVER attacks Jewish targets. What does that tell you? They attack everyone around them, but NOT Israel.

    ISIS and Al Nusra were created as tools to attack Hezbollah, Syria and Iran. They are US and Israeli operators. When they failed in Syria (because Assad got help from Putin) they were turned around and told to attack Northern Iraq. Then they committed atrocities against the population in their path which was amply broadcasted in Western media to show how terrible “Muslims” are.

    Compare that media coverage with the murder of thousands of civilians in Eastern Ukraine by the US installed junta. Do you even know about them? I doubt it, because the Western media refuses to show those war crimes.

    Also, not a single American, or Israeli, has gone to jail for the torture that the CIA and the Holy US Military have been forced to admit they commit. However, people protesting and exposing this very torture have been put in jail by the US government.

    In other words, the innocent people standing up for truth and justice are punished by your government, Sandy. Not the Americans and Israelis running death squads (such as ISIS and Al Nusra) and torture chambers.

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    ELAINE: As I said tirelessly for years and years and years, the bin Laden family is VERY close to the Bush/Cheney families. They LIVED WITH EACH OTHER and bin Laden’s older brother died in a plane crash while with the Bush clan in Texas. This starling and utterly true information was kept out of the US press for years and years and years and to this day is still kept top secret by both the Democrats and the Republicans.

    Kerry knows all this as does Gore, by the way because we gave both of them all the information including photographs. For you see, my parents knew the bin Ladens, too! Lots of top CIA/US elites know the bin Laden clan.

  15. emsnews

    The Apache tribe via Mr. Campbell came to me way back in 1999 to ask me to force the Skull and Bones to hand over the skull to them. Bush Jr.’s uncle said yes and gave them a skull which the University of Arizona studied to insure it was Geronimo but it was a CHILD’S SKULL.

    So the Apaches gave it back the the Bush family and asked me to contact…Geronimo via the Skull and Bones magic ‘tree’ so I did and he told the tribe to leave him alone, he was having a great time of it, destroying the US government.

    So they dropped their lawsuit and did some of their own ceremonies in Eastern Arizona in the Superstition Mountains. Thus, all the fun and games we are having today.

    Their gods are potent indeed!

    The focus on one set of desert gods overlooks other desert gods who also are lightning gods. These lightning gods are very destructive.

    Athena works with Pegasus and Pegasus is my lightning horse…yes, He is a lightning entity indeed. And that is for ‘intelligent warfare’ not stupid warfare.

    The Athenians didn’t listen to Athena and pay attention to her Horse and ended up slaves and She was highly irritated with them all at that point. 🙂

  16. melponeme_k

    I don’t remember having a preference to any of the mythological gods I read about as a kid.

    I do remember really liking the trickster gods…Loki, Anansi, Coyote. I also liked Bastet and Anubis because they had animal heads which I thought was cool. My other partiality was to the Norse myths mainly because I loved that the mythology stated all the gods would die thereby releasing humans from bondage. I’m still hoping for Ragnarok.

  17. Lou

    Can you translate this – for those who dont ‘throw salt over their shoulders and call on evil spirits’,

    So they dropped their lawsuit and did some of their own ceremonies in Eastern Arizona in the Superstition Mountains.

    Thus, all the fun and games we are having today. [????]

  18. Pontiff Holysh*t

    Alcibiades was accused of being part of secret mystery societies early in his career. He successfully rebuffed those accusations. Later on, while he was fighting in Sicily, he was recalled to face evidence on this charge. That’s when he jumped ship.

    And on that note, another warning to Elaine’s readers: beware of elites speaking of “intelligent warfare” and so forth. The purpose of war is so that the few (the elites) can profit at the expense of the many. Don’t assume Pegasus is your friend.

  19. “The Pentagon works for Zionists who are focused on Jerusalem and Meggido which is where the Apocalypse is going to happen.”

    And when Jesus is a no-show (yet again), Jerusalem, Megiddo and the whole of Israel will be turned to green glass by incoming missiles. But what do the end of times Christians care? They get to go to Heaven; and the Christ-killing Jews get to burn, and then burn some more in that Other Place!

  20. Seraphim

    @The Pentagon works for Zionists who are focused on Jerusalem and Meggido which is where the Apocalypse is going to happen.

    Now, The Pentagon and the Zionists know better than God Himself:

    “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. “For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. “For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be
    “Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming. “But be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into. “For this reason you also must be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will.” (Matthew, 24, 36 – 44)

  21. Pontiff Holysh*t

    LOL and I’m “ridiculous”

    Good barking grief.

  22. emsnews

    This ‘lord’ mentioned in the Bible is a demon of destruction, aka, Kali.

  23. Petruchio

    “The Skull and Bones was founded by one of my direct ancestors, Henry Steele. My family has very deep connections with Henry’s black magic.” It is no surprise that the Numbskulls and Boneheads engage in black magic. Most of them would be unemployed, homeless dumpster divers without family money and connections. George W. Bush, exhibit A of my thesis.

  24. emsnews

    Yup. Sell their souls for a dime a dozen.

  25. Seraphim

    @This ‘lord’ mentioned in the Bible is a demon of destruction, aka, Kali.

    It had a sex change. Still, you don’t know when he/she/it is coming.

  26. Seraphim

    @Sell their souls for a dime a dozen

    Is Steele a slight variant of Steal?

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