Turkey Demands UN Meeting About Their Violation Of Syrian Air Space

Turkey has decided to invade Syrian airspace uninvited to shoot down a Russian plane defending the government of Syria which has NOT been successfully overthrown by the NATO conspirators:  Turkey seeks U.N. Security Council meeting on Turkmens in Syria: sources | Reuters

 

Turkey summoned Moscow’s ambassador on Friday and called for an immediate end to the Russian military operation near its border in northern Syria, which it said included “heavy bombardment” of Turkmen civilian villages.

 

Russian air strikes in support of Assad’s forces have shifted the balance of power in the conflict and dealt a setback to Turkey’s aim of seeing Assad removed from power.

 

The provincial governor of Turkey’s Hatay province, which borders the area where the bombing is taking place, said around 1,700 Turkmens had fled toward Turkey over the last three days, state-run Anadolu Agency reported.

 

Now, the EU and US are boycotting Russia and punishing Putin because…he supported Russian-ethnic people splitting from the Catholic Ukrainians after the coup in Kiev. He is supposed to be ‘evil’ for supporting ‘separatists’ and NATO is promising more war in the spring over this issue.

 

Meanwhile, in Syria, Turkey and by extension, NATO, supports rebels in Syria who want to split from Syria for the exact same religious ethnic reasons the Eastern Ukrainians want to split!  So what is going on here?

 

Turkey, like all the other EU/Mideast nations is made up of various ethnic/religious groups and factions and is always on the verge of splitting apart very violently and indeed during the last 2,000 years since the fall of the Roman Empire, this has been happening over and over and over and over and over again monotonously.

 

Periodically some violent despot stops this process and produces a big, fat empire that then rots away and collapses like a souffle in a cold wave and we get the same process of splitting every inch up along ethnic/religious/language etc. lines.

 

This is why the Founding Fathers of the US insisted everyone have the same basic system and no ethnic enclave stuff even as people settled in enclaves but that is eroding rapidly as people no longer learn the Common Imperial Language and insist on staying separate so we have internal hostilities as groups seek to eliminate outsiders and refuse to integrate into our empire, a problem that Ancient Rome faced rapidly as things deteriorated after 250 AD.

 

Then the Emperor moved Rome to Constantinople and the government language went Greek severing the empire forever and the split lines exist today.  Well, the roots of violence in the Old World are easy to see and at no time in the last 300 years have the people there escaped this mess, all the imperial efforts of France, Germany and England always blew up in their faces over these tiny, irritable, anarchic minority groups in these corners and internally, Germany, France and England are being ethnically tipped into open warfare at home as we clearly see today.

 

Now we have industrial/population/ landmass giant, China and the resource rich, gigantic landmass Russia facing off of fractured, literally dying Europe with few adult fighting males who aren’t also Muslims, and the deep, deep, deep in debt US which stupidly de-industrialized and off-shored nearly everything, going to WWIII with nukes.

 

The point being, blow up everyone first in a sneak attack.  Who will do this first?  *cough* *cough*.

 

Already, radical Muslims destroyed a big part of lower Manhattan.  That is just a foretaste of what is to come next.  If anyone thinks NYC is invulnerable, they are nuts.

 


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33 responses to “Turkey Demands UN Meeting About Their Violation Of Syrian Air Space

  1. Nani

    I have read so many comments from fellow Europeans today, both politicians and ordinary people, all strongly denouncing Turkey while supporting Russia.

    It seems like the majority of Europeans have a very clear picture of who the enemy is, and it is not Russia as the media keeps telling us..

  2. Nani

    One should also keep in mind that Turkey was the one who opened the floodgates to Europe for hundreds of thousands of refugees, economic migrants and terrorists onto Europe.

    Turkey is a threat to Europe’s security and stability. Our current leaders do not understand this, but many of the opposition leaders on the right side of the political spectrum does!

  3. Melponeme_k

    I’ve been checking comments. At Huffpost most of the comments let through the filter are anti-Russian. But if you link to an AP news story, the comments are overwhelmingly against Turkey.

  4. vengeur

    This situation clearly reveals that Putin is playing high stakes poker with lunatic warmongers of NATO. I sincerely hope this ends with the revolt of the European people against the madness of American controlled NATO.

  5. Melponeme_k

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3331218/New-York-launches-app-fight-terror.html#comments

    Didn’t take long for the spooks to utilize the recent attack for more covert surveillance technology.

    Instead of giving people the tools to identify actual suspicious behavior, the NYPD will now get a picture of every dark skinned middle eastern looking person in the city. Most likely my picture will be among them. I know it will be, I got a lot of crap after 911. Just as I’m accused of being Mexican or any South American. Also I’m a suspicious Asian. Who knows, maybe I can now be a suspicious Russian Siberian. I need to go for broke here.

  6. emsnews

    Melponeme, you are EVERYONE.

    The business about ‘terrorism’ is not that individuals do various deeds for ideological reasons, this will always happen one way or another. It is all the Big Shot Games playing off of these events that cause global wars.

    The little terrorists on the street have zero power in this matter. Look at 9/11: countries with zero to do with the event were attacked by our rulers who egged on all the helpless scared citizens into committing grave war crimes against innocent countries.

    THIS is the problem and this is what is so scary. And yes, our rulers will in an eye blink decide ‘who is the enemy’ and go after women and children and the elderly of whatever the ‘villain’ of the day is according to our rulers.

  7. Ken

    I’m surprised that no one has mentioned the double standard here. NATO is invading Syrian airspace on a daily basis. In fact, Obama is considering declaring Syria a “no fly zone.” Syria is a legitimate sovereign nation, and we are invading their air space ON PURPOSE.

    Turkey gets its airspace invaded by accident, if it even happened at all, and they use the sovereign nation argument to justify shooting down a Russian jet.

    Am I the only one to see the hypocrisy?

  8. Christian W

    Ken, the hypocrisy is par for the course. It is taken for granted. No matter the crime the US/NATO/Israel etc do, it is always ok and upstanding, including coups in Ukraine and support of ISIS/Al Qaeda/ethnic cleansing in Eastern Ukraine and of Palestine and Syria etc etc etc.

    Yet Russia, Syria and Iran are put under economic sanctions for invented crimes for no other reason that they are the target of the US/Israel + puppets nations.

    There truly is WWIII going on Russia is not the bad guy here. Our leaders are insane. There is not a single EU leader independent enough or capable enough to stand up to Washington. Hollande met with Obama today and got his collar choked, so now he is back in the “We must CONTAIN ISIS” rather than let’s destroy ISIS.

    The US gives ISIS a 45 minute warning before they bomb their trucks or resources. Says it all. The US is ISIS, you cannot seprate the two. Without US support (that includes, support from US puppets like Turkey, ISIS would be nothing)

    The only reason the US bothers with the hypocrisy is because they know a large number of people cannot easily look past their conditioning (cognitive dissonance) and reflexively side with “our” side (the US/NATO as good guys) no matter what the US does or say, even if it is blatantly wrong or criminal – like supporting Israel no matter what, or creating/supporting ISIS and Al Qaeda.

    But a larger and larger number of people in the US and the West (EU) are waking up to the evil of the current US setup. The neocons know they have limited time before the tide turns, which is why they are pushing so hard for a confrontation with Russia before their position weakens too much and there is a reaction to their push from within their own nations. The hypocrisy and propaganda is a vital part of the push to postpone that moment for as long as possible.

  9. Christian W

    A quote from Putin today from TASS: “Today they practically declared war on us by shooting down our fighter jet. Our patience wears thin with Erdoğan and his criminal clique who is accomplice in all atrocities committed by ISIS terrorist. To avoid a bitter war which nobody craves, for several times, I told Americans to muzzle their rabid dog in Turkey,”

    Putin knows full well Ergodan wouldn’t dare do this unless he had the full support of the US. Erdogan had a multitude of reasons for shooting down the plane, including support for ISIS in Syria, revenge on Russia and to get support from Turkish nationalists on the domestic political scene.

    Erdogan, blazing lunatic that he is, murdered at least one Russian pilot to boost his own power. The Russians will not take that kindly, but that suits the US warmongers just fine.

  10. Seraphim

    @Erdogan, blazing lunatic

    He is taken by delusions of grandeur also. His support for ISIS is not accidental, just for limited advantages like benefiting from the smuggled petrol. He is hailed as the Caliph.

    Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi (practically the head of the Muslim Brotherhood)… declared that Turkey is where the Caliphate will be established:

    “We came to Turkey to assess the Fourth Assembly of the Union of Muslim Scholars in Istanbul, capital of the Islamic Caliphate!”
    Qaradawi added that:
    “Turkey is the Caliphate State, and Istanbul is its capital … Turkey unites religion and the world, Arab (Wahhabist Sunnis) and Persian (Shiites), Asia and Africa, and it (the Caliphate) should be based upon this nation (Turkey)”.
    ““Erdogan is man of the State, a leader who knows his Lord.”
    ““Erdogan will succeed because Allah, Gabriel, Salih Al-Muminin (the Righteous of the Faithful) are with him and after that the Angelic Host will appear”.

    Qaradawi is the one who issued the fatwa recently calling on all Muslims to head to Syria to fight in jihad against the regime (and obviously its backers too).

    Notice that Erdogan is backing the fight of the Crimean Tatars to liberate “their native land” from the Russian “invasion”.

  11. Seraphim

    It is worth reminding that:

    “The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in Egypt in 1928 partly as a reaction to the end of the caliphate, and from the beginning a central part of its program has been the need to work toward restoring it and then recovering lands that had been lost to Islam. Brotherhood founder Hasan al-Banna explained:
    “We want the Islamic flag to be hoisted once again on high, fluttering in the wind, in all those lands that have had the good fortune to harbor Islam for a certain period of time and where the muzzein’s call sounded in the takbirs and the tahlis. Then fate decreed that the light of Islam be extinguished in these lands that returned to unbelief. Thus Andalusia, Sicily, the Balkans, the Italian coast, as well as the islands of the Mediterranean, are all of them Muslim Mediterranean colonies and they must return to the Islamic fold. The Mediterranean Sea and the Red Sea must once again become Muslim seas, as they once were.” (The Caliphate Restored, Why The Islamic State’s declaration matters, by Robert Spencer, July 1, 2014
    @http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/235389/caliphate-restored-robert-spencer

    The (apparent) paradox is that the MB was created by “the great names of British Middle East intelligence”…and that their mission was to “keep the Middle East backward so that its natural resource, oil, could continue to be looted…”
    Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1c0_1377095379#LrLqBwBDUeWH9w4l.99

  12. John Doe

    Someone in Ukraine recently blew up the pylons supplying electricity to Crimea, leaving 1.6 million people of 2 million without electricity, the intention is to put more pressure on Putin, the NATO intention may be to cut off Russian supply lines through the Dardanelle straits (Turkey)

    A Turkish tv crew just happened to be in the right remote place at the right time to capture some action that took a minute to take place, what a coincidence?

    Erdogan named his son-in-law as the new energy minister. I guess someone was not happy about the Russians blitzing their income from ISIS oil by destroying all those trucks, especially when Erdogans family were the beneficiaries.

    The Syrians with Russian air support are trying to close down corridors that the Turks use to supply weapons to the “moderate” rebels who then sell them to ISIS.

    Turkey is also heading into an economic crisis with mountains of debt, nothing like military Keynesianism to distract the people and stimulate the economy.

    Ex-UN official warns of crisis ahead for Turkey
    http://www.todayszaman.com/business_ex-un-official-warns-of-crisis-ahead-for-turkey_373701.html

    Well, it’s going to be a long cold winter.

  13. Christian W

    Just wow. This little article explains the blurb on CNN, yes on prime time US cable news, the other day that the US are looking for “ISIS officials” to build up diplomatic relations with. The US/Israel is going to officially endorse ISIS and Al Qaeda.

    “Turkish intelligence chief: Putin’s intervention in Syria is against Islam and international law, ISIS is a reality and we are optimistic about the future

    Ankara— Hakan Fidan, the head of Turkey’s National Intelligence Organization, known by the MİT acronym, has drawn a lot of attention and criticism for his controversial comments about ISIS.

    Mr. Hakan Fidan, Turkish President’s staunchest ally, condemned Russian military intervention in Syria, accusing Moscow of trying to ‘smother’ Syria’s Islamist revolution and serious breach of United Nations law.

    “ISIS is a reality and we have to accept that we cannot eradicate a well-organized and popular establishment such as the Islamic State; therefore I urge my western colleagues to revise their mindset about Islamic political currents, put aside their cynical mentalité and thwart Vladimir Putin’s plans to crush Syrian Islamist revolutionaries,” – Anadolu News Agency quoted Mr. Fidan as saying on Sunday.

    Fidan further added that in order to deal with the vast number of foreign Jihadists craving to travel to Syria, it is imperative that ISIS must set up a consulate or at least a political office in Istanbul. He underlined that it is Turkey’s firm belief to provide medical care for all injured people fleeing Russian ruthless airstrikes regardless of their political or religious affiliation.

    http://fortruss.blogspot.no/2015/11/turkish-intelligence-chief-isis-is.html

    How utterly insane is this? I know, I know, I shouldn’t be shocked, but the psychopaths get me every single time, every time. I just can’t fathom from a gut level how they operate, only from an intellectual standpoint (and Thank God for that I guess).

    And how fucked up do people have to be to believe Russia and Syria under Assad is worse than ISIS and Al Qaeda?

  14. Christian W

    The US, Israel and the West are really going down the toilet now.

    Truth is dead, the truth is what the US declares it is and the poodle nations bark approval on command.

    The Law is dead. The Law is what the US declares it is.

    The Economy is dead. The Economy is what the elites decide it is and everybody else pays for it.

    We are all of us so very fucked.

  15. Xerxes

    Nicely put ChristianW. And the water around the frogs gets hotter, slowly.

  16. emsnews

    AND coming soon to Germany and Sweden….and London…not to mention Brussels.

  17. Petruchio

    Did anyone take note of the NATO spokesperson who said, “We stand in solidarity with Turkey…” for shooting down the Russian jet. Of course NATO is just another way of saying the USA.

  18. vengeur

    Delusional Obama :”I do think that this points to a ongoing problem with the Russian operations, in the sense that they are operating very close to the Turkish border and they are going after moderate opposition that are supported by not only Turkey, but a wide range of countries,” Obama said. “If Russia is directing its energies towards Daesh and ISIL, some of these conflicts or the potentials for mistakes or escalation are less likely to occur.”
    “Our view from the start, Russia is welcome to be part of this broad-based coalition,” Obama continued. “The problem has been Russia’s focus with propping up Assad rather than ISIL.”
    This is a true LOL. He is such an asshole. The OBVIOUS problem is the US’s focus with taking down Assad rather than destroying Isil.

  19. Er cel

    @13. Christian W
    Your citation from “fortruss.blogspot” about the head of Turkish Intelligient Service ( MIT) Hakan Fidan is completely fabricated news. If you continue the same page a little forward you will see the statement below

    We hereby state that the recent stories on some foreign media outlets claiming that Anadolu Agency did an interview with Turkish National Intelligence Organization (MIT) Undersecretary Hakan Fidan and published it are totally false.It is known that the MIT has no such practice of speaking to media.These fabricated stories by foreign sources are regarded as part of an international psychological campaign against Turkey.Necessary steps have been taken to have such fabricated stories removed, with legal rights being reserved.

  20. Seraphim

    @Er cel

    The denial of the Turkish Government coupled with the statement that “necessary steps have been taken to have such fabricated stories removed, with legal rights being reserved”, is not a proof that the story was fabricated, but rather of the intense embarrassment that they have been unmasked and switched to damage control mood.
    They did not reject ever, to my knowledge, the statements of Qaradawi:
    “Turkey is the Caliphate State, and Istanbul is its capital … Turkey unites religion and the world, Arab (Wahhabist Sunnis) and Persian (Shiites), Asia and Africa, and it (the Caliphate) should be based upon this nation (Turkey)”.
    It is an open admission that Turkey is full steam behind the “Caliphate”. Putin’s statement that they are “accomplices” is puting it mildly.

  21. Christian W

    @19

    That explains why my Anti-virus on my home computer complained that Fortruss.blogspot was a malicious site. I laughed because it is my AV that is malicious if it tries to block fortruss…

    I agree with Seraphim. Even if it is a spoof it changes nothing since what they wrote is basically what has been happening anyway.

    Spoofs and Satire have a long, long tradition of highlighting the real agenda and machinations (and idiocy) hidden by the elites. Consider this Onion classic from 2001:

    “Bush: Our Long National Nightmare of Peace and Prosperity is Finally Over.”

    I can’t link it because IE here at work hangs every time I try to open the page, but you can Google it

  22. Seraphim

    @Christian W

    I had the same experience with Fortruss for a few days in a row!!
    Anyhow, it would not be the first time that the antics of Fidan have been covered up. It is in the public domain:

    From the Wikipedia (Hakan Fidan):

    “In 2014, voice recordings, where he, foreign minister Davutoğlu, Deputy Chief of Staff, Lt. Gen. Yasar Güler, and other military personnel discusses a potential false flag incursion into Syria, was leaked to YouTube and shared across Twitter. The event resulted in the Turkish government blocking access to Twitter, then YouTube, and finally the DNS servers of Google DNS and OpenDNS. In the voice recording, he is heard saying, to a military personnel, “… [i]f legitimacy [of a possible incursion into Syria] is an issue, I can simply send a few men there [across the Syria-Turkey border] and have them launch missiles over to us. Legitimacy is not a problem. Legitimacy can be manufactured.” Seymour Hersh later linked what was said in this leaked meeting with CIA-Erdoğan dealings on Syria.”

  23. Er Cel

    @Christian W and @ Seraphim,

    The problem is not the integrity of intelligent services. What I am saying is that the news cited from “fortruss.blogspot” is naked false. It is not a real news but a mind-reading job. And, this doesn’t mean to defend the actions of anyone. Anatolian News (AA) is a state-run news agency and its news are serviced in regular base. It is not hard to check the source, namely (AA). If it were correct, you would definitely have seen this piece in Turkish media and other channels.

  24. Seraphim

    @It is not a real news but a mind-reading job.

    It looks like a clever piece of black propaganda. The West has not the monopoly of fake news (like Russians troops in Ukraine, the BUK missiles appearing and disappearing, etc). Anyhow the mind-reading is correct. Turkey does support ISIS (if it did not create it).

  25. Christian W

    I concur with Seraphim. It may be a clever ploy and false in that it made up the quotes from the Intelligence etc. But in effect it is correct. Turkey wants Assad gone, and that means that ISIS gets to step into the power vacuum once the Assad government is gone. Erdogan supports ISIS there is zero doubt about that, that is a fact. The alternative scenario is that ISIS steps aside for foreign powers to run Syria through puppets, but that only shows that ISIS were proxy henchmen to start with, so again the “made up” article has the essentials correct. Turkey would rather see ISIS (that includes the lesser Al Nusra ie Al Qaeda and the FSA – they are the same beast) prosper than Assad win.

  26. Jim R

    #23, I am not sure whether your ignorance is deliberate, or whether it is the genuine article.

    But you are seriously misrepresenting Fort Russ. Yes, it has a Russian point of view. Of course it does. It consists of articles from internal Russian media, translated to English. And that’s all. If you have issues with the articles themselves, take them to Ria Novosti or Tass or wherever. There is a byline with every article showing where it came from and who translated it.

    If you want “western” “news”, follow CNN or FOX, etc. If you want to know what Russians are talking about, you can read Fort Russ or Sputnik. None of those sources is necessarily pure “truth”.

  27. emsnews

    No one has a monopoly on ‘truth’ which is why I seek out all sorts of sources. But one can get an idea about ‘reality’ if one looks carefully and this means seeing all sides of a story and looking for facts on the ground.

    A difficult thing to do. I did travel around this planet doing all sorts of things and thus have my own point of view. Some life experience matters and I have a great deal of that sort of thing.

    I also know first hand that any time the US media interacted with me with the exception of TED TURNER< they screwed up everything or outright lied.

    Ted actually let me talk on CNN unfettered and note that he doesn't own CNN anymore and the day he sold it, I was banished immediately.

  28. Jim R

    I just looked at the article in question — Fort Russ reprinted it from ‘AWD News’, whatever THAT is. Also worth noting that Fort Russ published the denial from the Turkish news agency, at the end of its article.

    As for the truth of the article, I have no idea. These ‘leaked intelligence’ reports are a time-honored way of spreading disinformation. I’d take the whole thing with a grain of salt.

    But there is plenty of fact-based information out there. The Turks definitely shot down a Russian jet. Turk-supported insurgents viciously murdered the crew as they parachuted down. And Turks have an ugly history in the area — attacking their neighbors with genocidal intent. The Greeks, the Armenians, the Kurds, etc. …

  29. Jim R

    And as for that Andolu ‘news’ agency, it’s probably best to start with the assumption that whatever they say is a lie.

    This just in:

    Violence Erupts In Turkey After Prominent Lawyer Is Assassinated On Live TV

    Submitted by Tyler Durden on 11/28/2015 12:14 -0500

    In other words, a hit meant to take out the pro-Kurdish lawyer, staged as an attack by the very people he was defending.

    According to the state Anadolu news agency, it was Kurdish insurgents that opened fire, killing Elci, as well as a police officer, and injuring three other people, among them correspondents of the leading Turkish media organizations – the Anatolia and Dogan news agencies

    That, however, appears to be just more state propaganda, because as journalists were quick to point out, Elci not only was a pro-Kurd activist but defended the “Terrorist” PKK, which is Erdogan’s political nemesis.

  30. Christian W

    Reports are also coming in that mortars have been fired from Turkey into Syrian territory. Someone is pushing hard to bring in NATO against Syria and Russia.

    http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151128/1030923106/syrian-army-mortars.html

  31. Christian W

    @29

    What a corrupt mess Turkey is. The truth is probably far worse than the supposedly ficticious interview with the Turkish intelligence chief made out.

  32. Er cel

    @Jim R
    Firstly, there is a saying like; ” evil words reflect upon the speaker…”
    Secondly; no need to prove which state news agency is better or worse…
    Thirdly; which country has an ugly or genocidal history depends upon which country are you comparing to which one? This is a relativity issue and you blend everything into one bowl. If I knew your nationality i would say whether you are right or wrong about the Turks…
    Also, all your attacks and defensive posts will not conceal the fact that the quoted piece was a fabricated one. And also, my objection was not to defend its content, but to point to a fact, but you took the issue out of context.
    Lastly, none of the politicians deserve to defend…
    The people of a nation are not always bad, but the states and their masters are…

  33. Jim R

    #32, … and, your point?

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