A huge public housing tower filled mainly with Muslims and foreign newcomers caught on fire and burned and is still burning as I write this, hours later. This building was from the disastrous push for huge public housing projects of the 1960-1980 government programs in the EU and US. I lived around these vertical slums in NYC and they were home to crime, filth and riots. These buildings are unsuitable for third world people and I will explain why.
I used to live within spitting distance of these vertical slums in NYC. People there come in from far and wide and poor citizens who know what is going on, avoid these buildings because they are very uncomfortable places to live unless you like being robbed or mugged regularly.
I have witnessed and my parents have, too, third world people trying to live like ‘at home’ which means OPEN FIRES. Yes, they do all sorts of dangerous things because this is how they lived before moving into a modern building.
Once, back in the 1960’s, my parents were on a prop plane flying from Nepal when a family took out their cooking equipment and lit a fire to cook their meal! My father put out the fire and the crew came back to see what caused the smoke.
One way to stop fires is installation of sprinkler systems. Passing such laws forcing these systems to be installed, is very difficult. I am all for that, sprinklers save lives.
Home builders beating back fire sprinkler laws: My brownstone had a sprinkler system when it was a rooming house due to NYC rules about multi-family buildings. A tenant tried to burn the house down when I was in contract for it but the sprinklers put it out.
NOW…many people online are yelling about ‘why didn’t the buildings fall?’ when there is a mere fire. The WTC was a very unusual event. It had two big jets slam into the buildings, wrecking the integrity of the metal support columns and demolishing the interior as well as setting on fire thanks to fuel as well as other things, so the fire was an EXPLOSION and not a mere fire.
Secondly, the Tower fires in England are typical housing for poor people: it has small rooms and is a honey-comb design, not a hollow shell like the WTC buildings. Those buildings were totally ‘open floor design’ and the floors were immense, I had been inside a number of times in that building complex.
The Grenfell Tower fire moves up on the outside due to flammable exterior building materials when it was ‘refurbished. Bricks don’t burn. But the materials that fed the fire were not bricks. It appears that the fire went up the outside of the building, not the interior.
This fire is like the Huge skyscaper fire in Dubai near New Year’s Eve fireworks display. It, too, was an exterior fire that shot to the roof and moved deep inside the building.
TRADE CENTER TO GET FIRE SPRINKLERS AT $45 MILLION COST – NYTimes.com I remember this vividly. The sprinkler system didn’t work on 9/11 because when the jets hit the building, they smashed deep inside the towers and cut the water supply. People below the plane crash sections were able to flee, no one above it survived.
New York City requires that sprinklers, or alternative fire safety measures, be installed in all office buildings taller than 100 feet, or about 10 stories. Because it is owned by New York and New Jersey, however, the trade center complex, including the twin, 110-story towers, is exempt from the law.
But Guy F. Tozzoli, director of the World Trade Department, which runs the complex, said the the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey had decided five years ago to comply with the city’s law.
He said it had already spent about $8.5 million to install smoke detector communication systems between lobbies and floors and systems to bring elevators to lobbies when fire is detected.
None of this was operational on 9/11 due to the planes crashing through the buildings.
”I think these buildings should now be the safest possible buildings built,” Mr. Tozzoli said. Peter C. Goldmark Jr., executive director of the authority, quipped that installing the systems in the twin towers would ”eat up every mile of copper pipe east of the Mississippi.”
”Buy copper stock,” he added. Each floor in the towers is equal to one acre, or 43,560 square feet. A sprinkler head will be installed every 2,500 square feet. About 50,000 people work in the complex, which has six buildings, and 80,000 more visit each day. Authority officials said they acted because the extra safety the sprinklers would afford was worth the cost.
The fatal flaws in the WTC buildings was shared by other buildings which were erected with little internal structural integrity. ‘Open plans’ are a big item for architects and elites. I once worked for a German corporation on the 46th floor right next to the Empire State Building. Our building was super solid with a honeycomb office floor design, the reason the WTC was designed open was so people could configure things as they wished so the safe design of honeycomb structural integrity was tossed out with fatal results.
The hubris of the 1984 article is heartbreaking. No one I knew died on 9/11 but this was due to me telling everyone that the building was still a death trap even with a new sprinkler system.
The design of buildings has to take into account all sorts of events. And people hate doing this which is why they build on earthquake rifts, next to seething seas, on flood plains, or build modern houses where there are regular tornadoes.
For example, all houses in the Midwest should be domes, not side walls and have systems for shuttering windows in tornado events. Virtually no one will die and homes will be barely touched by tornadoes instead of being death traps.
Midwestern housing designs are based on European cultural systems and Europe very seldom has tornadoes. It baffles me why people insist on building improper structures for the climate and hazards. It is simply insane.
The cladding of this public building in England is a scandal. It was not fireproof. One would think that there would be strict building rules about construction materials. Another item: people in the building had to figure out for themselves that they were in danger. One would think there would be an all-out warning system for everyone. It is a public housing project, after all.
Grenfell Tower Resident Describes Frantic Escape From Burning Building | Good Morning Britain – YouTube: he mentions the plastic cladding and how toxic the smoke was. He was a survivor due to being on the lowest floors. The man claims they were told, ‘if there is a fire, shelter in place’. If this is true, it is criminal. You always evacuate a building when there is a fire.