Modern Fantasy Movies Have Very Stupid Battlefield Tactics: Mob Battles


Avengers Infinity War – HISHE Review (SPOILERS) – YouTube

 

When we watch movies, we learn lessons.  Due to the music, sound effects, the dark theater, movies make a huge imprint on the mind which is why I very rarely go to the theater due to this overwhelming effect.  The most popular movies for the last decade or three decades have been fantasy movies featuring battles and fights all the time: Star Wars, the Avenger/Marvel movies, Harry Potter, etc.  All of these feature one main thing: ridiculous ‘battles’ of the most childish sort.

All of these pretend to show battle tactics but actually have fighting on the most primitive degree possible: a mob rushes towards the bad guys and then engage in one on one combat.  In real life, a mob like this is usually easily defeated by any organized army, ask ancient Romans about this little detail. Formations of the Legion | Strategy & Tactics | The Roman Military

If a screaming mob of strong fighters do defeat say, the Romans, it would be due to an ambush or grossly outnumbering say, ten to one, the Romans.  Then always, without fail, the Romans would retaliate with trained fighters who know how to fight in formation and use tools properly.

The fall of the Roman empire was due to the high overhead cost of running a strong military machine and it was overrun by a new fighting style: horsemen who could shoot arrows while riding at full tilt.

Even so, once a civilization built up a Roman-type military, they took over again.  Modern movies lean heavily on the ‘hero’ trope: great heroes can win battles even with crummy tactics due to being heroes.

I grew up watching WWII movies.  These showed us how tactics work.  We then went into Vietnam with the North Vietnamese fighting with ‘Apache’ tactics: hit and run.  Few sustained battles.  

Apache tactics: my great grandfather was part of the Cavalry that went after Geronimo.  Because of this, oddly enough, the Apaches were friendly with my family even to me, personally.  They recognize warriors.  And my family always considered them worther warriors, too.

 

The ancient Romans had a diplomatic tactic: they would lure in warriors into their system and use them to maintain the empire.  This fell apart as looting the empire became the goal of the military hired by the State.


Battle of Agincourt — Henry V (Branagh, 1989) – YouTube

Now, the movies today have ‘bad guys’ and ‘good guys’ and these fight one on one battles to see which individual is ‘stronger’.  This, to me, is very boring.  To spice things up, they have the ‘hero’ like Harry Potter, ‘die’ and then suddenly, magically, resurrect.

 

How tedious!  But what bothers me most is how the idea of an organized battlefield event has turned into running mobs who then break down into individuals sparring with each other.

 

I used to train young people in the art of medieval warfare.  My specialty at the Society of Creative Anacronism battles was tactics.  How to take down a shield wall or cut off leaders from their troops and take them down, how to mislead or trick people into entering traps: the fun was not one on one sparring for me, it was how to get the entire battle to shift due to clever use of tactics.

 

What people are learning from movies today is, you have to have magical Gandalf level powers and then when you manage to kill your opponent in one on one combat, everyone else just gives up and dies or flees.

 

This is very ancient going back to the beginning of the Bronze Age: David kills Goliath and everyone else gives up and all it took was a small stone to do the trick.  Zero tactics.  Just luck and the Gods at work here.

 

I will give Tolkien credit for the fact that he did use archers in his battles!  Most ‘battles’ in movies leaves out stuff like archery that is not heroic.  One of my own ancestors fought at the Battle of Hastings.
The Battle of Hastings 1066 AD – YouTube

He was an archer.  Had zero status before the battle but since the archers killed the King of England, Harold, the new King, William (name change here!) gave the archers nobility and lands as a reward and thus, my Steele ancestors got to lord it over everyone else below himself.

 

Robinhood wasn’t a swordsman, for example, he was an archer.  King Henry V himself, gave his archers credit for winning the battle at Agincourt.  They kept their ranks formation and shot down the attackers who lost strength every step forward, eventually collapsing into each other due to this loss of energy.

 

At the Battle of Hastings, most of the archers were on the Norman side, the Brits stood behind a shieldwall which took hours to take down.  If the English fighters ran downhill like in the Avenger movie above, they would have been destroyed in less than an hour.

 

The heroic stand they made was due to keeping ranks and forming a defensive shieldwall in a rising position which weakened attackers.  I am just appalled at how silly movies are today, they make less and less military sense and are teaching young people silly tactical lessons and this is dangerous, not knowing basic tactics.

 

It is all about emotion and feeling ‘big’ and ‘victory is due to being a super hero’ rather than ‘little people can hold fast and stop attackers by following simple tactical strategies.’

 

The ‘armies’ in the latest hit movie, Infinity War look more like the Muslim male invasion of Europe: a mob rushing in, demanding to be fed and housed and given loot (with rape, of course).  It is an out of control mob.

 

By the way, the topic of ‘fighting women’: kill a female fighter and you kill generations of fighters so all tactics in wars would focus on killing the females, first.  Sperm is very cheap and eggs are evolutionary expensive items of great interest to all sperm.

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8 responses to “Modern Fantasy Movies Have Very Stupid Battlefield Tactics: Mob Battles

  1. Melponeme_k

    “By the way, the topic of ‘fighting women’: kill a female fighter and you kill generations of fighters so all tactics in wars would focus on killing the females, first.”

    Despite the Hollywood glam, I don’t think our ancestors were stupid enough to allow females to fight (unlike today). Women in their child bearing years were valuable, the first resource to be looted by enemies. Older women past child bearing years were just as valuable. They had cultural knowledge of the clan, knew midwifing skills and general doctoring. Most early clans were matriarchal. Why would our ancestors ever send the glue of society, the lifeblood of their clan into battle? If they did it would be because there was over population. That is the only reason I can think of to be so silly. Incidentally, the warriors most known for the occasional female warrior were the Vikings. And they did suffer from over population, hence the reason they were a scourge rampaging out of the north.

    The reason why they push women into battle today are the reasons why it wasn’t done in the past. The elite want population control. They also want to destroy cultural knowledge. The key to that is killing off the women, the best women, the strongest and the smartest. Prime Alpha women like that give birth to strong sons and that is exactly what the elite don’t want.

  2. Moe

    One name: Hollywood. Hollywood productions are generally so full off sh*t it can be embarrassing to watch.

    A useful tactic when watching movies is merely to stop and acknowledge that none of what one is watching is real, it’s all staged.

    And poorly staged! Leaving aside the bias and agendas pushed by Hollywood, they seldom represent events realistically. Hollywood is the exemplar representation of the phony society we live in, synergestically to which the movies have imparted misdirection and impetus.

    As Mel relates, ‘they’ want us to perceive the world imperfectly and unrealistically: propaganda, misdirection and resultant delusion are their tools.

  3. Petruchio

    Anybody who is looking for Realism in battle scenes in movies, is wasting their time. The folks making War/Action movies either don’t know or don’t care about “authenticity”. One thing that irritates me most is these movies just insist on making women Warriors. Not just warriors, but Super Warriors. As if…. In real life? Women get abused in times of war and you know what I mean. The movie Industry is constantly sending out the message that Men are unnecessary. They always have to tear down the role of men in a Society. And the Movie/TV Biz is just completely bankrupt creatively in general. Ridiculous shoot out sequences. The Good guys always have some computer wizard who–time after time after time–gives them extremely important info just in the nick of time. Women lead actors who can fight 6 fully grown men and kick their a##es one by one. It’s amazing if you analyze it. Of course, in the Movie/TV biz what matters is if you’re jewish or not, not how creative you are.

  4. Mewswithaview

    Women on the battlefield are targeted first to distract and discourage the men. It will always be young men that make up the majority in armies, killing their women takes the fight out of them.

  5. What really bothers me is how tactics are not being shown which is bad for us all. Tactical training is difficult and important. It means understanding how to control events. All wars have leaders blundering about (Stalin!!!) and how difficult it is to understand how battles work.

    I used the Norman invasion as a fine ancient example because the King of England did dispose of his troops in a smart way but lost due to one wing running downhill in pursuit of the Normans who pretended to flee, breaking ranks.

    This is why ‘breaking ranks’ was grounds for punishment starting with the ancient Romans who were very big on never ever breaking ranks.

  6. Melponeme_k

    @Mewswithaview

    “It will always be young men that make up the majority in armies, killing their women takes the fight out of them.”

    The elite have been working on this since the 60s/70s. I don’t know if they have quite cracked that basic instruction that tells men to protect women.

    I remember reading studies that women in special forces training were always “attacked” first and in front of their male colleagues. The men always broke down and QUICKLY too! It was to the point that they offered to do anything in order to “save” the women. It takes a lot for the men to be trained out of this instinct.

    Then is it any wonder that these same men leave special tactics, have mental collapses and begin to attack any woman in their vicinity?

  7. Petruchio

    @#3 Moe: Note all the commercials on TV that show a lifestyle completely out of touch with reality. 90% of commercials MUST have a black person in it who is a caring, loving parent. The reality? Black males are the biggest deadbeat Dads of any ethnic group. And white people are the simpletons.

  8. Moe

    Now here’s a siege tactic no-one thought of…Fetchez la Vache (Get The Cow):

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