Bankers And Mortality Tables

First, it is now totally out of control: the US government how holds or guarantees or takes total losses on 90% of all American mortgages.  This is insane socialism.  Sane socialism takes care of everyone.  Insane socialism puts everyone into debt and then holds this debts and eats the losses from bubbles.  On top of this, now that bankers have nearly totally ceased holding mortgages, they need some system to keep feeding themselves annual payments!  So they are lighting on the ancient idea of bundling and selling life insurance!  This is being presented as something new.  It is not new.  

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Major U.S. Role in Mortgages Shaping Entire Market – washingtonpost.com

In the go-go years of the U.S. housing boom, virtually anybody could get a few hundred thousand dollars to buy a home, and private lenders flooded the market, aggressively pursuing borrowers no matter their means or financial history. .

Thanks to Fannie Mae, all this army of mortgage underwriters flooded Fannie Mae with their poorly-researched loans.  Since they didn’t hold these loans, why worry if they are not paid off?  Before the bubble, Fannie Mae and other government programs held less than 60% of the nation’s mortgages.  Now, it is nearing 100%.

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We know from the Reagan years that government programs backing lending to the lower classes tend to breed political corruption, fraud, overvaluation of slum housing and kick-back schemes.  And on top of all this, the poor can’t pay back due to being poor.  Working wages have been dropping ever since 1982.  So the ability to keep up with other costs is declining, not rising. Borrowing on a declining income is impossible.

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Since this is impossible, governments have one major concern: to help workers gain higher wages.  Not, more debt but more income.  The tax cutting regime was launched, again, due to other forces.  That is, inflation was pushing workers into higher and higher tax brackets.  Instead of indexing taxes to inflation, the government cut taxes. This is simple to understand: cutting taxes is politically popular!

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On top of not indexing taxes to inflation (or deflation) the government also increased public spending, doubling the debt every 8 years while cutting taxes!  This, in a nutshell, is why the US is going under very fast.  We can’t correct one problem without first correcting all the others.

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Now the pendulum has swung to the other extreme. Only one lender of consequence remains: the federal government, which undertook one of its earliest and most dramatic rescues of the financial crisis by seizing control a year ago of the two largest mortgage finance companies in the world, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. .

It is worse: the Federal Government is the only real insurer since it took over AIG.  And it is the only capital creator via selling government debt to foreign powers like China, Japan and Russia (alarm bells should be ringing very loud in our years over this list of names!) and the government is the only one who can really create a carry trade, that is the ZIRP system we have now!

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While this made it possible for many borrowers to keep getting loans and helped protect the housing market from further damage, the government’s newly dominant role — nearly 90 percent of all new home loans are funded or guaranteed by taxpayers — has far-reaching consequences for prospective home buyers and taxpayers.

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Since 90% of the loans are owed by taxpayers (I am joking a little here) we are also the bank that is capitalizing these loans and the way we do this is to sell our future to foreign trade and power rivals all of whom are interested in winning great victories over us, wiping out all previous war losses such as Russia losing the Cold War, China losing the Opium War, and Japan losing WWII.  I know people yell at me every time I make grand historical pronouncements like this but frankly, if we are going to understand human psychology and the arc of history, we better grow up and stop being naive about human collectives.

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Anyone who imagines Japan is happy with losing WWII, all you have to do is look at much of Japanese anime.  It is very militant.  It has lots of dreams about using massive robots to augment fighting forces so the small Japanese warriors can go immense things.  Many times, the Americans are the evil doers in these shows.  Another thing I notice is how old WWII Japanese planes and battleships are resurrected as hyper-power space craft, etc.

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Trust me, the Japanese have not forgotten WWII.  The rest of Asia and Australia and others have been very outraged by Japanese prime ministers worshipping at the war shrine in Tokyo but the US has been pretty much silent.  We really think the Japanese are our buddies.  No one is anyone’s ‘buddy’ in world trade, world politics or world finances.  Everyone has interior reasons and desires and ignoring this psychology is dangerous as well as naive.

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Now, on to today’s big story, the genius wizards who infest our financial systems have cooked up a new way to make profits roll in effortlessly.  They lost a grip on the mortgage resale markets which have collapsed.  The Derivatives Beast is very much alive and has this insane urge to grow to infinity and the people feeding this creature need new food for it and they reached back in time to revive the annuities gambling house.  So, let’s go look at this item by item so we can see how this business really works:

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Back to Business – Wall Street Pursues Profit in Bundles of Life Insurance – Series – NYTimes.com

The bankers plan to buy “life settlements,” life insurance policies that ill and elderly people sell for cash — $400,000 for a $1 million policy, say, depending on the life expectancy of the insured person. Then they plan to “securitize” these policies, in Wall Street jargon, by packaging hundreds or thousands together into bonds. They will then resell those bonds to investors, like big pension funds, who will receive the payouts when people with the insurance die. .

OK: I see an Ouroboros situation here: the elderly are in financial trouble.  Many of them are selling their life insurance policies so they can stay alive and pay off bills or pay for nursing home care, etc.  These things are stuff that social systems run by governments are supposed to be doing.  But in the US, we insist on this alternative system.

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So, the bankers who caused the entire planet’s finances to collapse plan to earn obscene fees selling life insurance plans the elderly are selling due to financial difficulties…and selling these to PENSION FUNDS…which pay money to these same people selling their life insurance policies so they can stay alive.

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Instead of the original meaning of these policies which was to pay HEIRS, it is now going back into the murk to pay….BANKERS!  Ta-da!  Not only that, the sooner the saps die who sell their insurance, the happier the bankers will be.  Temptation to cause death rises.  The bankers then have little incentive to see the elderly stay alive.  A bad thing.

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The earlier the policyholder dies, the bigger the return — though if people live longer than expected, investors could get poor returns or even lose money.

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Already, I see great paranoia that ‘the elites want to kill us.’  And so far, this is unjustified.  But not in the future if we set up a system like the one above.  That is, if dying makes the bankers and investors richer, they have great incentive to insure this happens.  This is why our entire system is in tension.  People fear the government may want us all to die. This is a reasonable fear.  Even as most of the actual understanding and analysis (phobias about fluorine in the water, for example) is totally insane or misplaced or exaggerated.

. Either way, Wall Street would profit by pocketing sizable fees for creating the bonds, reselling them and subsequently trading them. But some who have studied life settlements warn that insurers might have to raise premiums in the short term if they end up having to pay out more death claims than they had anticipated.

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In other words, this will end up being another hidden TAX on the system.  That is, not only do taxpayers provide the capital and eat the losses on 90% of all mortgages, any life insurance policy holders will see their payments go up so the bankers can bundle and sell these policies and then collect on them as people die earlier than expected due probably to the high payment/tax burden this bizarre anti-social system imposes on us in curious ways!

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What we are seeing is a pirate raid.  The bankers exist to skim off of the economy, whatever they can.  So far, they skim nearly 30% of our economy and pay obscene bonuses for this practice and are providing EXACTLY NO SERVICES AT ALL.  They are not capitalizing the system. They are not holding mortgages.  They are not taking any losses when these occur.  They are not paying back money which grew while they handled it. They are not paying any interest rates to savers at all thanks to the ZIRP system they set up this year.  They dumb debts on top of businesses in the useless buy-up/buy-out system they created thanks to creating too much credit. And they insure nothing.

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So why have bankers?  At this point in time, it is possible to suggest they should be made illegal!  THE GOVERNMENT IS THE BANKER.  The bankers turned our government into a bank and themselves into looters.  The Federal Reserve is key to this system because it is a private bank that lends to our government and it has NO capital at all except perhaps for the Fort Knox gold which was originally owned by the US public.  Aside from this, the Fed makes the money it lends our government out of either thin air or sells it to…Russia, Japan, China, Germany and others who have some rather queer historical backgrounds that should alarm us out of our snooze.

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Now, I want to go backwards in time to see why this new bundling of death money is so dangerous and how it happened in the past and why laws were passed to prevent this:

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Annuities – History of Annuities

During the 17th century, annuities were used as fundraising vehicles. In Europe, governments were constantly looking for revenue to pay for massive, on-going battles with neighboring countries. The governments would then create a tontine, promising to pay for an extended period of time if citizens would purchase shares today.

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The history of banking is not all about trade. No, it is all about wars. Trade is the byproduct of the war lending. Bankrolling trade isn’t so very difficult nor is it that profitable. But bankrolling wars: this is the Land of Infinity! First, it involves not accidental deaths due to storms sinking ships, as trade lending has to contend with. No, death is guaranteed! There WILL be deaths, lots of deaths! Lots of looting. Lots of rapine, cities being burned to the ground!

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This is the Cave of Wealth and Death, personified. If someone wants to go to infinity, going to war is the quickest and shortest route. Today,we can have infinite war and kill all of ourselves in it! Very easy and actually cheaper than fighting in Afghanistan. This war can last for exactly one day!

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So, lifetime annuities were created to fund wars. This dark beginning to this form of finance should give us all pause. When doing this, great care is required to not make this all about killing, murdering and stealing.

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The United Kingdom, locked in many wars with France, started one of the first group annuity called the State Tontine of 1693. Participants in these early government annuities would purchase a share of the Tontine for £100 from the UK government.

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In return, the owner of the share received an annuity during the lifetime of their nominated person (often a child). As each nominee died, the annuity for the remaining proprietors gradually became larger and larger. This growth and division of wealth would continue until there were no nominees left. Proprietors could assign their annuities to other parties by deed or will, or they passed on at death to the next of kin.

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The dark soil in which the Tulip Bulb mania and all the other bubble manias is here!  The annuities had the flavor of eternity.  That is, they could last forever if they were sold or inherited.  The only way to stop these perpetual finance machines that leaked wealth out of the system systematically was to have a massive war or revolution. Then, the new rulers would tear up the annuities and burn them along with whole cities and pyramids of skulls.  Let’s look at life insurance which is a variation of these annuities;

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Life insurance – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The beneficiary receives policy proceeds upon the insured’s death. The owner designates the beneficiary, but the beneficiary is not a party to the policy. The owner can change the beneficiary unless the policy has an irrevocable beneficiary designation. With an irrevocable beneficiary, that beneficiary must agree to any beneficiary changes, policy assignments, or cash value borrowing.

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In cases where the policy owner is not the insured (also referred to as the celui qui vit or CQV), insurance companies have sought to limit policy purchases to those with an “insurable interest” in the CQV. For life insurance policies, close family members and business partners will usually be found to have an insurable interest. The “insurable interest” requirement usually demonstrates that the purchaser will actually suffer some kind of loss if the CQV dies. Such a requirement prevents people from benefiting from the purchase of purely speculative policies on people they expect to die. With no insurable interest requirement, the risk that a purchaser would murder the CQV for insurance proceeds would be great. In at least one case, an insurance company which sold a policy to a purchaser with no insurable interest (who later murdered the CQV for the proceeds), was found liable in court for contributing to the wrongful death of the victim (Liberty National Life v. Weldon, 267 Ala.171 (1957)).

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Over the years, the government had to regulate these insurance policies. The trend for investors seeking benefits is to piggy back onto something else and then collect goodies if something happens.  For example, not owning any interest in some system or market but placing SIDE BETS based on these markets or situations and then collecting from other bettors when things happen.  This, by the way, is how a vast amount of the deals concerning the Derivatives Beast operates under.  The noxious over the counter deals are very heavy in to this sort of activity.

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This happens to be naked short selling, too.  A great way to make money is to insure or put a policy on someone’s potential death and watching and praying they die. Or worse, trying to manipulate events so they die.  Say, you put an insurance policy on the potential death of a crazy entertainer like Michael Jackson.  If the guy dies, you collect!  Goody gum drops.  Indeed, in this guy’s case, people are trying to collect.

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One wonders if the promoters could see the obvious (MJ was one very sick puppy) and they put a huge insurance policy on him and then worked him to death!  Voila!  They get to collect a fortune, knowing very cynically, the guy was in no shape to do the work they demanded in the first place.  Walmart recently got in hot water because they had life insurance policies on their own workers which the corporation, not the families, collected if the worker died.  Then, Walmart had every incentive to work their people to death and to deny them access to healthcare.

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Then, to insure they got little to no healthcare, Walmart then lobbied Congress to prevent Congress from providing healthcare and other social services so Walmart could collect when these poor people died while laboring for Walmart.  This is all utterly disgusting and another reason why we have to prevent this sort of life insurance.  Back to the promoters of Jackson’s heavy concert schedule: they had no risks if he died.  If they were concerned about their investment, they would have protected him.  It was the opposite.  They studiously ignored obvious health problems and the ‘doctors’ they provided were all in for the money so there was no doctor to say, ‘No’ and the insuring parties didn’t go a strict health examination, either.  Everyone ignored important restrictions and guidelines.

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Which is how the whole system operates these days: ignore limitations and guidelines set down by history.

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Now, going way back in time, it is interesting that the entire business of calculus and modern systems analysis grew straight out of the seed of life insurance annuities!  Indeed, the entire science of ‘Social Sciences’ comes from this activity!  Not only that, modern medical practice that looks at whole populations and uses population statistics comes straight out of this, too!  This is one of the great germinating roots of modern science and technology.  Below is an extract from  the very first book that looks into population statistics and death rates and uses modern calculus to determine formulas showing probability factors:

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Edmond Halley, An Estimate of the Degrees of the Mortality of Mankind, drawn from curious Tables of the Births and Funerals at the City of Breslaw; with an Attempt to ascertain the Price of Annuities upon Lives, Philosophical Transactions, 196 (London, 1693), p.596-610. Edited by Matthias Böhne.

An Estimate of the Degrees of the Mortality of Mankind, drawn from curious Tables of the Births and Funerals at the City of Breslaw;* with an Attempt to ascertain the Price of Annuities* upon Lives. By Mr. E. Halley, R. S. S.

. THE Contemplation of the Mortality of Mankind, has besides the Moral, its Pysical and Political Uses, both which have been some years since most judicously considered by the courious Sir Willian Petty,* in his Natural and Political Observations on the Bills of Mortality of London,* owned by Captain John Graunt.* And since in al like a Treatise on the Bills of Morality of|<597> Dublin. But the Deduction from those Bills of Mortality seemed even to their Authors to be defective: First, In that the Number of the People was wanting. Secondly, That the Ages of the People dying was not to be had. And Lastly, That both London and Dublin* by reason of the great an casual Accession of Strangers who die therein, (as appeared in both, by the great Excess of the Funerals above the Births) rendered them incapable of being Standards for this purpose; which requieres, if it were possible, that the People we treat of should not at alle be changed, but die where they were born, without any Adventitious Increase from Abroad, or Decay by Migration elsewhere. .

This Defect seems in a great measure to be satisfied by the late curious Tables of the Bills of Mortality at the City of Breslaw, lately communicated to this Honourable Society by Mr. Justell, wherein both the Ages and Sexes of all that die are monthly delivered, and compared wiht the number of the Births, for Five Years last past, viz. 1687, 88, 89, 90, 91, seeming to be done with all the Exactness and Sincerity possible.

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This is how science works: Mr. Halley looked at the collection of data done by friends and contemporaries and using his brains, figured out some possible problems with the data collections and their limitations.  He decided that there was not ENOUGH data.  And he surmised that the cities used to collect this information were not good for the purpose of coming up with a good table of reference due to them being TRADING CENTERS which meant, they had lopsided data.

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That is, too many foreign elements, visitors and people coming to the civic/trading centers to do a good analysis on the PROBABILITY OF DEATH in major population groups. The goal of all this was to come up with a working probability table so insurers could figure out a good balance in their operations so they could profit.  That is, people should die at a certain rate and this could be pro-rated properly.  Of course, there is no absolute working system since reality does all sorts of things.  For example, on top of the probability chart’s main data, one had to take into account the probability of pandemics and epidemics sweeping the population, a very serious problem for anyone doing life insurance and annuities.

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Were this Calculus founded on the Experience of a very great number of Years, it would be very well worth the while to think of. Methods for facilitating the Computation of the Value of two, three, or more Lives; which as proposed in my former, seems (as I am inform’d) a Work of too much Difficulty for the ordinary Arithmetician to undertake.

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I have sought, if it were possible, to find a Theorem that might be more concise than the Rules there laid down, but in vain; for all that can be done to expedite it, is by Tables of Logarithms ready computed, to exhibit the Rationes of N to Y in each single Life, for every third, fourth or fifth Year of Age, as occasion shall require; and these Logarithms being added to the Logarithms of the present Value of Money payable after so many Years, will give a Series of Numbers, the Sum of which will show the Value of the Annuity sought. However for each Number of this Series two Logarithms for a single Life, three for two Lives, and four for three Lives, must necessarily be added together.

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If you think the matter, under the uncertainties I have mentioned, to deserve it, I shall shortly give you such a Table of Logarithms as I speak of, and an Example or two of the use thereof: But by Vulgar Arithmetick the labour of these Numbers were immense; and nothing will more recommend the useful Invention of Logarithms to all Lovers of Numbers, than the advantage of Dispatch in this and such like Computations.

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The diagram here shows how he constructed a three dimensional system to deal with time, space and identities.  Since all of this is happening in time and since it is a certain finite volume of biomass (human beings) and since this is impacted on by a restrictor (death) figuring out how all this intersects is of key importance.  For death comes in different guises at different times and strikes different groups in various ways, over time, eventually terminating everyone completely in any said group of biomass populations being studied.

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Humanitarians recoil with horror when we look at ourselves in this sort of cruel mirror.  But this is actually a useful tool.  For the great effort to expand our chances of survival was created with the invention of the power to calculate, in a cube, how our lives progress.  Even the early author who created this entire concept realizes it has certain revolutionary features.

. Besides the uses mentioned in my former, it may perhaps not be an unacceptable thing to infer from the same Tables, how unjustly we repine at the shortness of our Lives, and think our selves wronged if we attain not Old Age; whereas it appears hereby, that the one half of those that are born are dead in Seventeen years time, 1238 being in that time reduced to 616.* So that instead of murmuring at what we call an untimely Death, we ought with Patience and unconcern to submit to that Dissolution which is the necessary Condition of our perishable Materials, and of our nice and frail Structure and Composition: And to account it as a Blessing that we have survived, perhaps by many Years, that Period of Life, whereat the one half of the whole Race of Mankind does not arrive.

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Mr. Halley is a most interesting man.  He is the famous astronomer whose name is attached to Halley’s comet.  His great and probing mind freely roamed about the landscape, prying into all sorts of matters.  It should not astonish us that an astronomer is also the inventor of this life-expectancy table system.  Even today, the biggest investment banks like to hire physics graduates to gin the system.  This is because this group of people understand the systems previous celestial observers created to describe how the universe operates.  By the way, Mr. Halley’s friends and associates created many mathematical systems during this short time frame:

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History of calculus – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the 17th century, European mathematicians Isaac BarrowPierre de FermatBlaise PascalJohn Wallis and others discussed the idea of a derivative. In particular, in Methodus ad disquirendam maximam et minima and in De tangentibus linearum curvarum, Fermat developed a method for determining maxima, minima, and tangents to various curves that was equivalent to differentiation.[15]Isaac Newton would later write that his own early ideas about calculus came directly from “Fermat’s way of drawing tangents.”[16]

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The first proof of Rolle’s theorem was given by Michel Rolle in 1691 after the founding of modern calculus. The mean value theorem in its modern form was stated by Augustin Louis Cauchy (1789-1857) also after the founding of modern calculus.

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The entire concept of systems that created modern finance comes from this time period.  All sorts of novelties were tried right off the bat.  Issac Newton went bankrupt thanks to the South Sea Bubble, for example. The explosion of goofy bubble games is directly and very intimately tied into the creation of these calculation systems.  Not only that, we see above, Mr. Halley musing about the human condition and his dismay at seeing how 50% of humans born, die before adulthood!

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Now, dear readers, please muse over the cause of this!  True, sanitation was very primitive back then.  But there was one element that was raging through the systems killing people: COMMUNICABLE DISEASES.  And these diseases didn’t kill the elderly or even middle aged people very much.  The steepest death rate, by far, was in the first 17 years of life.  Basically, half of the children died.  Vigorous children died as well as weak ones.  This is due to communicable diseases don’t care if you are athletic or well-fed.  Diseases carried by breath, for example, can invade anyone by the mere fact of a sick person coughing nearby!

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Modern medicine deals with all this. Modern medicine can’t make us live forever.  If we practice various careful arts like keeping a sanitary social structure or protecting our food systems, etc, we can expect to live long lives so long as all the contagious epidemic diseases are held at bay with vaccinations and other medical systems.  We eliminate this. we return to Mr. Halley’s form of fatalism.

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There was lots and lots of fatalism in 1690.  Mr. Halley and his friends saw London swept by more than one plague, one of which was labeled, ‘Great Plague of London‘ as well as the Great Fire of London.

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These two massive events caused many other things to happen.  While being reduced to fatalism by all of this—and the fears created by the massive comet’s appearance!—didn’t last very long.  Instead, London was rebuilt and the energies of the English radiated outwards even more forcibly.  That is, they had Glorious Revolution which swept away a lot of the Ancient Regime and changed British society, the power of kings, etc.  That is, the intellectual as well as psychological and economic revolutions all arose in the wake of the Great Fire and the Great Plague, etc.  It is very interesting to me to see how these things affect human populations.  The US has been wrapped in cotton to protect us from harsh reality.

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This protection is nearly all ‘credit’ that is, the granting of loans so we can go deep into debt.  Only after we go through some real pain, will people be willing to undergo great changes.  The British brainiacs who were at the center of an intellectual revolution were also at the center of a political revolution.  And on top of this came from the same social group, the Industrial Revolution.  Are we in a similar ferment here?

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I see lots of froth but little ferment.  That is, the people who are very smart are hooked into a status quo that enriches the wrong sectors.  The smartest people are content to keep this system rolling as long as possible because they benefit from it.  Instead of looking at the entire country as an important thing they must sustain and grow, they look at only themselves to see if they can gain and grow at the country’s expense.  This is why these very smart people don’t worry about the trade deficit.  They are happy with the budget deficits!  They love the fact that people who hate our guts for historic reasons are happy to buy our debts.  They overlook EVERYTHING in this mad quest to get rich fast.

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There is nothing really wrong with economic theories, in themselves.  Economic formulas are also not the culprits.  The concept of banking isn’t evil, in itself.  It is merely a system.  The philosophical belief that our country is something to be looted is at the root of this mess.  The belief that individuals trump our collective existence is at the root, too.  We are a collective!  We can be a stupid collective or a smart collective.  We can hate each other or we can help each other.  We can fix systems so they run not in the red all the time but balance these things.

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Chaos will fix nothing.  As our dollar bills note: out of chaos comes order.  This isn’t conspiracy thinking.  The Founding Fathers were the grandsons of the 1690 geniuses who caused science and technology to leap forwards.  They knew that if we accept fatalism and old thinking systems, we make no order out of the chaos that surrounds us.  NO culture on earth did more to move the human condition forwards than these thinkers who, from 1650-1850, devised the basis of modern technology, business and politics.  The ability to understand how organisms exist, evolve and operate in reality is due 100% to the philosophical and ideological revolutions from these early intellectuals.

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There was a counterrevolution going on, too. The children of Lourdes, for example, seeing old-style visions of magical beings created a hysteria event around ‘magic water’ at the exact same time the understanding of diseases was leaping forwards due understanding the Germ theory of disease.

Robert Koch was the first scientist to devise a series of proofs used to verify the germ theory of disease[1]Koch’s Postulates were published in 1890, and derived from his work demonstrating that anthrax was caused by the bacterium Bacillus anthracis. These postulates are still used today to help determine if a newly discovered disease is caused by a microorganism.

In the 1870’s Joseph Lister was instrumental in developing practical applications of the germ theory of disease with respect to surgical techniques.

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It took 200 years from the creation of life expectancy tables in 1690 to the understanding of germs in communicable diseases in 1890.  This long hike up the mountain is not done at all.  Just this week, 1 in 5 fewer may get Alzheimer’s due to finding – Alzheimer’s Disease- msnbc.com

Scientists have found three new major genetic links to Alzheimer’s, affecting up to 20 percent of people with the brain-wasting disease, and said on Sunday it was the most significant such discovery in 15 years. ..

Two large studies found that the three new genes join the better-known APOE4 gene as significant risk factors for the most common cause of dementia.

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“If we were able to remove the detrimental effects of these genes through treatments, we could reduce the proportion of people developing Alzheimer’s by 20 percent,” Julie Williams, a professor of Neuropsychological Genetics at Britain’s Cardiff University, told a news conference in London.

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Thanks to vaccinations, the high death rate of children is a nightmare of the past.  While we have many more people dying at the other end of the system.  So Alzheimer’s is a serious problem.  And this is not germ theory stuff, it is most likely genetic.  And I, for one, will be IMMENSELY happy if this is dealt with before I go crazy, myself!  Who knows?  This is a genetic disease that has more then one component.  This is due to it being the opposite of evolutionary selection: the only people who get this disease, gets it after child bearing, for the most part.  So it isn’t ‘selected out’ of the population but lurks inside all of our DNA to be triggered by some process in the aging process.

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The cure for this won’t be doing brain puzzles or eating certain foods or sprinkling holy water on our heads.  The solution lies in genetic engineering.  I, for one, would welcome this.  I don’t want to get Alzheimer’s disease.  I have seen many a great scientist fall to this horror!  Including my own mother.  It should be plain to anyone that modern science has extended lives and reduced child mortality to an amazing degree.  We can’t travel backwards in this area.  Imagine if bankers have incentive to join the crazy anti-modern medicine maniacs to convince us that modern medicine is evil?  Good gods!  That would be pure hell.

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65 responses to “Bankers And Mortality Tables

  1. emsnews

    Good cartoon, PKP. 🙂

  2. LoisT

    SpiegelOnline article about German investors in American life insurance policies.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,646385,00.html

    Apparently, Americans aren’t dying quickly enough to pay off German investors.

  3. CK

    Living longer than expected has become a decent revenge.

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    ELAINE: It is the best revenge unless you get Alzheimers and can’t remember who it is that you want to beat in the longevity game (ex wives, ex boyfriends, ex bosses, etc). 🙂

  4. Niels

    The securitization of mortgages lead to the demise of underwriting standards, such as NINJA (no income, no job or assets) loans.

    The securitization of life insurance might also lead to a demise of underwriting standards, but the life insurers won’t care, because they’ve securitized the policies.

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    ELAINE: Correct. The most famous story of longevity messing with people’s plans was the Parisian couple who made a deal with a very old lady in her 80’s to buy her apartment upon her death. Before then, they had to pay for it and maintain it. This old lady ended up being the oldest human on earth. She hung onto her apartment to the bitter end: 120 years old, she finally died only after the man who paid for the apartment died, first.

  5. Duski

    After USA bankers have created financial products after another that have just stolen domestic and other countries investors money, how come is anyone investing in ANY of these products anymore? HUH? “Fool me hundred times, I never learn…”

  6. RobG

    Thanks LoisT, great link.

    “The anonymous investor has been pestering the fund administrator to release this information for months, but the fund has refused to do so, claiming that data-privacy protection laws don’t allow it to. In the end, though, the fund sent out a letter to all the investors saying that one of the fund’s investors had taken “the occasion of the fund’s current economic development” to request that he be given their personal information. Dozens of co-investors then contacted the anonymous investor directly. Together, they have employed the services of a lawyer and launched a Web site.

    The lawyer, Karl-Georg von Ferber, agreess that the fund’s prospectus spells out the investment risks rather thoroughly. But, he argues, the document gives rise to the impression “that it’s all just about statistics and actuarial mathematics.”

    It’s probable that many of the investors just took a cursory glance at the description of the highly complicated products. Soballa, the physician, for one, will admit to this. At the time, he says, he was just putting his faith in the strong reputation of his bank — and his financial adviser. “He seemed very reliable,” Soballa says. But it just might be the case that, when it came to these funds, the banker didn’t really know what he was talking about.”

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    ELAINE: I agree. A good addition. HEH. Yes, none of the investors in these stupid tranches ever seem to want to ‘look under the hood’. These guys selling these things are hoodlums. 🙂

  7. w c

    terd kennedy rest in peace

    lew rockwell

    His Monument Stands All Around Us

  8. norcalkid

    I think the WalMart plan has been called “dead peasant” insurance. That pretty much sums up their attitude. I avoid shopping there.

    Having lost all liquid assets to medical expenses and bankruptcy, and having just the car, house and its contents, I am pleased the bastards won’t be making any money off of me. And because the state inherits everything when I die (recovery for medical costs) I can do what I want with it. The PTB should look out for those who have little or nothing left to lose.

    “Freedom’s just another word for nothin’ left to lose…” -Janis Joplin

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    ELAINE: Norcalkid: you are one of many reasons why we need to imitate Germany when it comes to healthcare. My condolences. Or rather, this should have never happened to you.

  9. charlottemom

    I used to work in the insurance industry — business insurance/risk manage. it is money making scam of the first order. This latest “newest” scheme is corporate-owned insurance writ large. Oh and they used to call it “dead peasant insurance.” This is disgusting.

    Peasant Uprising: Widow Sues Late Husband’s Employer Over “Dead Peasant” Insurance Policy

  10. w c

    charlottemom
    September 7, 2009 at 8:25 pm

    I used to work in the insurance industry — business insurance/risk manage. it is money making scam of the first order..

    please ,, and who did you work for and what was the position.

    i suspect you know nothing about risk managment.. and the shop you were working for …

    re-ensurance , large brokerage

    self insured insurance group with risk management ..
    what was their return on invested capital..

    writing individual policys ,, multi lines,, ,,

    risk management for a fee ..

    was their any competition, or just one company .

    how would you know did you have privy information to the books or was this just your opinion. lol

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    ELAINE: WC— are you running for ‘creep of the year’ award? Or ‘Mr. Obnoxious’?

  11. w c

    emc

    These guys selling these things are hoodlums. 🙂

    and some people selling policys are hoodlumetts ,

    every thing a scam .. every one a crook .. please . lol

  12. w.c.

    obama

    okey kiddies wash your hands . lol

  13. w c

    emC— are you running for ‘creep of the year’ award? Or ‘Mr. Obnoxious’?

    no just trying to do your job at these outlandish posts ,,

    that message about risk managers was a slap at nothing

    sort of like your harping on flue baloney

    lets hear the answer ,,

    what was the basis for the statement ,,

  14. w c

    ll the gibberish about insurance this and that ..

    why if this was about flue this and that

    you would be all over like stink on dead animals

    we could call you elaine are you running for ‘creepette of the year’ award? Or ‘Mrs. Obnoxious’?

  15. w.c.

    w.c. just happens to know plenty about insurance .. as you know plenty about some other things .

    emc in response to your protective blanket over noise .

    charlotee mom is a nice lady i am sure ..
    she made a public statement about business insurance risk insurance and the scam involved ..

    i was asking for an answer of how she knew

    just post the reasons .

    defend the point of view counter point

  16. CK

    “It is the best revenge unless you get Alzheimers …” So take up smoking. Smokers have a 50% less chance of contracting Alzehimer’s than non-smokers.
    “who it is that you want to beat…” Miss Risky and Mr Lucky of course.

  17. the fool on the hill

    A school buddy of mine married a Japanese woman and moved to Japan for a time.

    He told me of a time when he was watching a WWII flick with some Japanese aquaintances.

    He said they cheered mightily when the U.S. forces took losses.

  18. nah

    you have to sell the brand… the product needs to look nice and be colorful… its all about the brand… every transaction that gets set up to get financed is an opportunity to magnify the brand
    .
    2big2fail super logical international corporations
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    debt is a total give away

  19. charlottemom

    @wc

    Are you OK? Your incoherent obsessive ramblings are odd at best, “stalker-ish” at worse.

    Yes I worked in the insurance industry and have previously even offered the name of the firm on this board. Insurance, P&C, life, brokers, underwriters, actuaries — yea they were all there. Businesses of insurance/reinsurance broking, pensions & investments, benefits and compensation. I worked for all of them and I worked for none of them. That’s all I’ll say.

    As I revisit my years at that firm, I’ve grown to see the insurance industry in a much more critical light. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.

    Now go away. Take some time off this board — it’ll be good for your mental health.

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  21. PLovering

    @Elaine,

    Seems we have a Con Troll problem.

    Plain gibberish is deliberate and tiring.

  22. payAttention

    Actually consensus points to a mild substitution effect amongst Alzeheimer’s sufferers and there are probably environmental contributors to the disease. But what does Yale know. It’s better to get an authoritative overview here on the disease, and save myself a trip to the Mayberry School science class to ask Opie for the causes. Guess today we decided to play neuroscience.

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    ELAINE: I see, you are basing this on yourself? I always wondered why you have trouble reading and understanding things.

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    On the other hand, Bloomberg is presenting a dozen conflicted and perplexed analysts and economist who don’t know how Japan is going to finance its fiscal policies. Some handwringers are throwing up their hands and say give up. Others call for higher taxes and another covey expects fiscal austerity. Not a single one mentions the most obvious – go to the savings bank and sell some USA bonds. Does DPJ also live in Mayberry and think next year USA will buy 20 million cars and stay off the international credit markets. Or do they start competing with Uncle Sugar and let some of those BRICS diversify their holdings? If the DPJ starts selling Treasuries and yen debt, how fast does Dear Author’s favorite country start running for the door with their dollar debt?

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=agUXwp4AN6SE

  23. PKP

    Perhaps we should consider randomly picking people out of the phone book for political office instead of holding elections.

    “Forty-two percent (42%) of U.S. voters say a group of people randomly selected from the phone book would do a better job than the current Congress. The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey finds that an identical number (42%) disagree, but 16% are not sure.

    Last fall, just 33% thought the random group could do as good a job.”

    42% Say People Randomly Selected from Phone Book Better Than Current Congress

  24. openly hidden

    “nothing left to lose”. exactly what i told my daughters 36 year old “boyfriend”. just today i loaned him about $60 to get by this week. he has nothing due to hard living and bad luck plus the lesbian rangers hound him in the court system but he has been working bridge construction the last couple of months trying to get ahead waiting to see if he goes back to prison again. he told me on the job during the week, he sleeps in a park on an air matress with a tarp over his head at night. unfortunately, it rained about 6 inches over 3 days straight and he said he laid in water all night two nights and this week he bought himself a used little trailer to live in he can pull with his old pickup. i told him last summer he was happy only he doesn’t know it. i told him he has nothing left to lose, and the people living above him have everything to lose and they are and they won’t be able to mentally take itt either, and today i told him to keep his head and his hands off people and keep his job because this time next year, he will be better off than 90% of the people in the country.

    and fuck the japs. just this week, my brother asked my 90 year old dad how far away the japs usually were when the marines were killing them on the islands. he said dad pointed to the end of the deck they were on (10 feet) to the hedges (about 25 yards away). 10 feet to 25 yards away killing field. my brother concluded that it won’t matter then if he is not very accurate at 400 meters. i told him CK’s thesis that most city dwellers will die of thirst trying to get out in the wet ass hour. man up!

  25. openly hidden

    it occurs to me in the same family, three brothers families to be exact, we have kids with advanced university degrees and we have completely fucked up kids, all raised the same way too. and imho, the more fucked up the kid, the more potential they have too. good luck to you with nothing left to lose i loved janis!

  26. payAttention

    OH.. is there a reason you won’t give him some fence work or or some barn work and set down his trailer? This highway construction is Uncle Sugar money, and tax receipts are down forty percent from last year. A farm can always use an extra hand, no?

  27. openly hidden

    we been there and done that all last year. and no, i can’t use any extra help full time i have all my work caught up plus i get all sorts of help weekends though. it is all hands on deck time in my universe….everyone who can get a job that pays real money works….and all saves their money. besides, ahum….well, he and my daughter fell off the wagon last year and it is world of shit time for them (again). if both can get past this and clean up and fly right for long enough, they will be welcome back to the compound. they are paying him i think $17/hour to build bridges which is pretty good money around here too. he just owes so damn much for various fines and just bought his camper this weekend with the last of his cash. everything will be all right i bet sooner or later time takes care of everything insoluable problems get fixed time just leaves them behind.

    plus, at teh risk of sounding “whiney”, today i discover the good people living at my other farm seem to have one of their apparenlty now unemployed kids living in a trailer in their front yard, and it appears the next door neighbors 10 year old kid is same as moving in to my house here for some reason plus today i had to donate to his mom two bales of hay for their horses they can’t even afford anymore. plus we took in yet another stray puppy dog a few weeks ago too. i do my job taking care of fetters and them some i think. and i am noticing “for sale” signs popping up in the little communities i drive through from farm to farm. and furniture for sale, nice furniture it looks like, sitting by the road at other houses. and a neighbor of mine had his kid return home from the big city and build a nice new little modest home in his front yard too. and i hear the local foundry is at risk of closing too. i thought we were avoiding hard times locally, but maybe not.

  28. openly hidden

    oh he works clear on the other side of the state building bridges. the bridge company has work going on in three states around me so he has to travel and stays out during the week. i see what you meant.

  29. illuminator

    I presented a much more insightful and rational explication of UK’s alleged “control” of India and China, while here EMS continues to regurgitate the irrational and childish (kindisch) Mass Media fable; EMS also never comprehended let alone responded to my insightful and independent rational interpretation of USSR’s destruction. Look, UK never “controlled” either China or India with a few thousand soldiers attached to British East India Company; instead India as well as China had disintegrated with the destruction of the Mongol Empire. Got that? So feudal lord X who held tea fields attempted to trade tea for British guns in order to capture feudal lord Y’s rocky goat pastures, since the British didn’t desire goat milk; Y then had an interest in either capturing the arms from British traders or ceasing all British arms imports altogether. Got that yet? UK didn’t “win” Opium War any more than Mexican drug gangs have “won” the drug war in CA AZ TX. Why didn’t Japan disintegrate like India and China? Japan repelled two Mongol invasions–something Persians and Arabs and Germans never did–so Mongols never occupied Japan; hence Japan traded with Portuguese Dutch British as one tribe governed by one authority; hence when Emperor sanctioned trade with Portugal, any samurai who assaulted Portuguese merchants would’ve been assaulting the Emperor. Got that? The world is much more complex than EMS’ fables, but ironic is how much and how facilely EMS swallows whole the Mass Media’s perceptions and images, since EMS asserts her independence from the Media.

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    ELAINE: Illuminator, in the race to see who is the craziest here, you and ‘Pay Attention’ are running neck to neck. I am dying to see which of you collapse first. 🙂 And if you want me to give you a comparative history as to why both Japan and England were only invaded twice, back when both were barbarian lands, and why both were hard to invade after 1066 AD, I will be happy to do this. It is all about geology. 🙂

  30. openly hidden

    whatever became of the mongols. i think there were two invasions? did they settle down and become part of the “stans”? i know they had china for a time. i read somewhere they could ride a horse full speed and shoot an arrow at a target accurately one quarter mile away and could ride for days basically and live on their horses blood? and only the germans the rude drunken berserker pagan germanic people stopped them. with their hot warrior women. berserkers by the way are interesting as hell. lets see. berserker is not just a derogatory term…..elaine will love this….well some considered world war two as basically a Wotan-pagan berserker outbreak of the dark side….which we have to assimiliate sooner or later. anyway, the berserkers in their bear skins could manifest “a divine ecsgtasy, a kind of sacred wrath”. they would swoon to the ground and when they got up, their immortal soul had left their body and they were left alone, soulless, only their raging wrathful animal natures in a body to go into battle in an animal fury. literally berserk. i bet they were impressive as hell.

  31. illuminator

    OH’s recitation of the Media’s fable reminds me of Celts’ and Germans’ illiteracy before the Romans imposed, subjugated and instructed them. When did the Germans “stop” the Mongols, at Liegnitz in 1242? Mongols effortlessly annihilated the conjoined German and Polish army at Liegnitz and thereafter burned and pillaged all the surrounding German villages (Mongol custom for resistent villagers). Mongols used recurve compound bows on horseback in 1242, while English and French still used longbows in fixed positions at Agincourt 200 years later; other words, Mongols of 1242 could’ve effortlessly annihilated the English and French in 1450. Bauer and Celts are always confabulating to explicate or excuse their constantly getting slaughtered and pillaged.

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    ELAINE: Ah, the tale of Frederick the Ungeheuer. The very irritable son of Leopold, the handsome duke who got in an argument with Richard the Lionhearted at Acre. He is the duke who imprisoned the impassioned King of England.

    Anyway, the King of Hungary was in a tiff with Frederick over ‘who marries who (Gertrude, the niece of the crazy duke) when the Mongols seemingly appeared out of nowhere. When the king of Hungary begged the duke for help, the duke refused. When the Mongols arrived just outside Vienna, the Great Khan died and they all surged back into Russia so their leaders could contend to see who was the new boss. They NEVER regained any momentum after that. The branch of the Mongols who took over southern Russia were called ‘the Golden Horde’, by the way.

    And Gertrude: after two of her husbands were killed and she ran away from a third husband, she became a nun. She didn’t like any men at that point (the marriages being more like rape than love).

  32. openly hidden

    well what happened to them? where did they go? i have a book about ghengis khan somewhere i haven’t seen for years. was he a mongol? and i read the german forests were just about impossible for romans or whoever to enter into very far and get back out alive again.

  33. openly hidden

    reading more about the mongols, they were certainly mean. killing half of persia and russia populations? i don’t see that they penetrated very far into germanic areas though. bulgaria was fucked. china too.

    well no matter what happens to us here and now, things could always get worse and have been worse it seems. the record for “bad” would not be a good one to break. good night.

  34. openly hidden

    well that was interesting….i.e.

    “However, the expected apocalypse was not to be, for in early 1242, word reached Batu of the death of his father, the Great Khan. Tradition demanded that a successor be chosen, and Batu and Khaidu were forced to return to the capital in Krakorum. They were forced to pull out of Europe, and the decimated nations of Eastern Europe were given a chance to rebuild their homes. Christendom may owe its existence today to the death of an old Asian war chief back in 1241.”

    heh. and something happened. and i suspect the berserkers didn’t leave home land to join foreign armies very much either. in any case, they were still there in the forests waiting, drunk and soulless. with their hot warrior women.

  35. openly hidden

    well hell one can read about wars in europe all ones life apparently. gaul and julius caesar. what the hell is wrong with the world anyway. the worse sort of people always seem to be in charge! give me the back country away from anyone with ambition any time.

  36. openly hidden

    so i ahve lost several hours of sleep over this. the berserkers were ages before the mongols. they obviously were pre-christian. odin tymes. gads! some sort of shaman scandinavian northern europe warrior bear cult that could shift into their inner darkness and were gone by the time of the viking era even. double gads.

    life was better then i bet too. before fucking ambitious men claiming to be gods with the ability to raise armies. i bet life was better for normal average people after the fall of slave empire rome and before the witch hunt eras too. i bet the dark ages weren’t dark for most, only for inflated people. shit the vikings were merciless too. you people are animals imho. savages inside still, waiting to get out like the berserkers….evil that waits its chance.

    by god this has been worried to death!

  37. PLovering

    Dr. Hilleman, former Head, Merck Vaccine Research Program:

    Vaccines cause cancers.

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    ELAINE; Nuclear bomb tests cause much of the global cancer. Next to that, water, soil and air pollution does this, too.

  38. criticalcontrarian

    Understanding the technical analysis of the bankers actions in the West and connecting them to historical timeline’s is easy enough. In fact, it has really become quite boring and predictable. What defies all logic is how these inbred morons think that their actions will go unaccounted for. All indications are their intention is to continue doing more of the same. When you’re in a pit, the first thing to do is to stop digging. They are the only ones who don’t seem to get it. Who think the world is still under their spell of ignorance. Not so.

    The United Nations knows it: http://tinyurl.com/l3c7vt
    So too the Chinese:
    http://tinyurl.com/n3nvrs
    While the Swiss sing, Farewell America!:
    http://tinyurl.com/l9k82b
    And others think the proposed solution is too little, too late:
    http://tinyurl.com/m4a79j

    Karma like Calculus is an exact science. You get what you put out. You don’t need a Harvard degree to figure that out. The word’s of Chuck Prince almost two years ago seemingly explain the mindset, “When the music stops in terms of liquidity, things will get complicated. But as long as the music is playing, you’ve got to get up and dance. We’re still dancing.”

    So many stupids, so little time.

  39. criticalcontrarian

    BTW, this article may give us an insight as to how these bankers think.

    Yann Samuelides, 35, a managing director of Goldman Sachs, became so infatuated with a Slovakian escort girl that he wanted to make her his wife. And being a money man, he calculated that 28-year-old Alzbeta Holmokova was worth £500,000.
    Read more: http://tinyurl.com/mzbxnt

  40. CK

    @CC:
    For ruthless realism women take the quiche.
    One of my favourite war aftermaths is the Chaco war in South America. Very Catholic Paraguay had a population explosion at a time when it had something like 1 man to every 3 women as a result of the depredations of the war. Ruthless realism.
    Women and children first…not Children first. Ruthless realism
    Come home with your shield or on it. Patriotic ruthless realism.
    Life insurance is not a good thing in a world of ruthless realists.

  41. criticalcontrarian

    @CK: the problem lies in the great majorities perception of reality; its utter disregard of accountability. People think they can get away with lies, murder and fairytales; laws meant to be broken. As they think, so they behave. Since they lack the ability to see past this life they live short and ignorant. Ever seen an innocent child squeeze a puppy to death while trying to keep a parent from taking the pup? Ruthless.

  42. openly hidden

    ruthless realists no shit in my short jaunt down war memory lane, i found zero reason for hope from anything. the world seems to have always been populated by son of a bitches. looked at from a realistic viewpoint, humanities history is nothing but ruthless shit by ruthless shits.

  43. emsnews

    Openly hidden, typical of paranoid people, you have an ugly view of life.

    History looks bloody since it details the nasty stuff because this is NOT the norm. The norm is people having children, working and building communities. Most people are BORED by this business so they look at one unsettling event then another.

    Paranoid people try to connect all unsettling events into some conspiracy grid. Misunderstanding the dynamics of history and how the way we tell it determines what we connect. Read Tolstoy’s unabridged ‘War and Peace’ and concentrate on the chapters where he discusses ‘what is history and do individuals make it or do major mass human forces cause history?’ sections.

    They are fascinating.

  44. openly hidden

    i am not sure that a bit of paranoia is not a good thing elaine. what is it that the bankster global illuminatti culture is doing to the common people if not war by other means. from tax serf to debt slave to physical slave is not that illogical of a leap to see they all are the result of ruthless shit by ruthless shits.

  45. CK

    “Ever seen an innocent child squeeze a puppy to death while trying to keep a parent from taking the pup? Ruthless.” Stupid parent too.
    “laws meant to be broken” here you touch the essence of the nationstate. There is no aggrandizement to the functionaries in a state of law abiding folk. No profit. No power increase. The only tool one has for creating law breakers is creating stupid laws meant to be broken. It works. It is a win win more criminals more power to the crime creators.

  46. illuminator

    Just a quick note, since EMS’ “response merits no more. Risible and impertinent is your comparison between UK and Japan, since I never mentioned UK’s suffering numerous invasions going back to Caesar. Calling “crazy” those clearly more literate and better read is just a kindisch troll tactic, as you clearly again didn’t even bother to peruse my arguments. And while Japan had never been occupied even once before 1945, Britain had been brutally occupied and its aborigines slaughtered numerous times; just “google” “Caesar Britannia”, “Hadrian Britannia”, Jutes, etc. Even bright 12 year-year-olds are cognizant of those many invasions of Britain. Japan, also, has an original civilization, while the English have a weird mix of Celt Saxon Viking guttural monosyllables cohered with a superimposed Roman legal system and HRE Ruling Class. Like before with my superior independent explication of UK Indian and Chinese occupations and USSR destruction, you recite unconsciously kindisch platitudes from the Mass Media. Really, I could just watch MTV or MSNBC and get the same level of explication as yours.

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    ELAINE: I hate to keep pointing out reading comprehension problems. Note the DATE I gave. Both island nations were repeatedly invaded until organized properly. The invaders of Japan came from northern China/Korea BEFORE 1000AD took over and made the island ‘secure’. Ditto, the Normans who invaded England at that same time frame. Got that? Good. 🙂

  47. openly hidden

    war…what is it good for….absolutely nothing.

    if anything, i am guilty of seeing from the opposite of paranoid

    what i see when i look at history is the result of “realists” of massive egos from your end of the pole of opposites dominating the collective cultures. i.e. evil fucks who give a shit about the individual or the spiritual rights of those individuals, aka people who admire the slave owners ultimately. if physical slavery is out, debt slavery will do nicely. tax serfs and debt slaves owned by evil sick egos. cc is right. nothing is going to change unless there is a general spiritual revolution by enough people that heaven and earth at least are back in balance. i doubt that is whats happening now. look at what they are doing to obama and his pityful small attempts to bring about any sort of change.

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    ELAINE: Warning: if you cuss too much, I will edit you out. Thanks in advance.

  48. openly hidden

    and if the ruthless shits did happen upon a relatively sane peaceful people in the new world or anywhere, you know they looked upon that discovery as a fine “opportunity” for them and their superior armies of the damned. outside history is made by completely unconscious ruthless shits with massive inflated egos.

  49. illuminator

    EMS’ weird confabulation about some Frederick or Getrude and “love” and “marriage” is typical unsubstantiated and even impertinent bullshit. EMS attempts to excuse the Germans’ slaughter by implying some weird division between Magyars and Germans over some “marriage”. Note how nothing of EMS’ excuse couls be documented as fact: whether or not some marriage actually divided two kingdoms could at best be opinion and never fact; however in EMS’ case, no division could excuse either magyars or germans: the Mongols invaded both Germany and Hungary at SAME TIME. EMS needs to learn the difference between opinion and fact or fable and document before even attempting to interpret history; but EMS’ defective illiterate babble does excuse her depending on Mass Media’s fables as history.

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    ELAINE: I was talking about the history of the Babenberger clan who founded Austria. Go look it up.

  50. openly hidden

    and in just a few posts, so far illuminator, pay attention, wc, and me….ME? are all crazy. but not elaine….and the rest of the ruthless shits at the top end of the totem pole of doomed blind fucks.

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    ELAINE: Correct. You are on the bottom of the intellectual totem pole. Collective craziness isn’t so amazing, it is common, by the way. IF YOU HATE READING ME, STOP. Thanks in advance.

  51. openly hidden

    and now cc too. all to defend your tiny, tiny outside view and why is it so tiny? because what you see from is desperately trying not to notice the rest of the story.

    still, on balance, the good you do exposing the deeds of the evil ruthless fucks trying to own us all probably puts you in the plus column.

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    ELAINE: Note how you are cussing now. This shows lack of skills. I exist to teach. If you refuse to learn, that is OK. I used to train oxen who were more clever.

  52. openly hidden

    admit it elaine. the motto you think you came up with, where the spiritual world meets harsh reality or something similar, most likely was a cry for help from the rest of “you”, who you deny is there, but is actually the real “you”. its how it works. and in teh meantime, in our prison world, in our “school”, we all get to learn our lessons while we cook.

    now i guess i will start to mow hay today. god knows how long its going to take to cure now. good day.

  53. emsnews

    Don’t run over your own toes. 🙂

  54. illuminator

    The matter of my comment was not Banberger clan but the Mongol annihilation of Germans. You impertinently cited this clan ascause of division between Magyars and germans, which division allegedly rendered both vulnerable to Mongol invasion; as I demonstrated with documented facts above, Mongols invaded Hungary and Germany at the the same time, so any alleged division–even had it existed (your little fable really proves no division)–didn’t pertain to defense against Mongols: mongols didn’t invade one by one but together as if Germans and magyars had been allies. OK? The two contemporaneous invasions are documented facts; whether some failed marriage actually divided is your opinion. Got that yet?

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    ELAINE: HAHAHAHA. What a ridiculous way to wiggle out of an argument. You know so little, you can’t even spell ‘Babenberger’. Go google that topic and read up on some very tragic medieval stories of empire, conquest and sex. Including gay sex. Ah, the gay knights of yore! Also, the Germans and the Magyars tried to use each other and this is why the King of Hungary was not helped by the Babenberger duke. He two-timed the King of the Magyars. That is, he forced the king to hand over all his gold before Babenberger trotted out his own knights. This led to the King of Hungary making a deal with the Holy Roman Emperor who hated the duke to do a pincher move on him. This is what killed the duke, by the way. A fascinating story.

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    Your comparison between Japan and Britain as two inviolable island tribes is even more ridiculous and impertinent; you responded to my comment in which I argued about differences between China and India on one hand and Japan on the other; I cited Britain (and Dutch) only as countries that traded with the above 3 under different conditions; again, all I argued and cited were documented facts, so your comparison between Japan and Britain as inviolable islands didn’t pertain to my argument at all. Your comparison is ridiculous and wrong; here’s your description of Britain and Japan, recognize it?

    “And if you want me to give you a comparative history as to why both Japan and England were only invaded twice, back when both were barbarian lands, and why both were hard to invade after 1066 AD…”

    Above you clearly distinguish England before 1066 as “barbarian land” with “back” from the post 1066 period with “and”. OK? Do you not comprehend what you write incoherent and inaccurate as it is? Today all native Japanese are of same tribe whose ancestors all arrived in Japan at same time; all Britons today are descended from ancestors who arrived at very different times and under brutal conditions of invasion and slavery (Romans exported Celt and German slaves to Britannia, another documented fact), as “barbarians” British aborigines were invaded innumerable times (innumerable, since illiterate savage Celts and Vikings didn’t write things down); Japan and British aborigines were not both “barbarians”, since Japanese had and still have today an original Japanese alphabet, while Britons had only then and today a Roman alphabet. Got that? Japanese and Chinese were civilized when Britons were illiterate animals living in thatch huts similar to Hottentot huts in Africa (cylindrical base with pointy top for smoke vent). If you respond to my comment, please pertain arguments to the comment, else why respond?

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    ELAINE: All of Europe was ‘barbarian lands’ in 1066. Go check the news from back then. 🙂 🙂 🙂 Pretend you are from Byzantia!

  55. Jim Dandy

    Hi Elaine, I am constantly amazed by what, to me, seem to be relatively obscure historical references used by you to provide context to current events. Both of my sons are taking history at college (as part of an engineering curriculum)but the books used seem to be either very generalized, or “sanitized for their protection”. I would like them to have an accurate perception of history to discern for themselves. Can you recommend books that would be instructive in this regard? Did you formally study history in college or was your educational background more self taught. Is there a source of information that is more oriented towards factual discussion than PC? Thanks

  56. flash

    JD, I get the strong impression that Elaine is self taught at many things.

    I was saddened, btw, to recently learn of Ruby Starr’s demise some years ago.

    I’m also saddened to see that the level of the discussions here has devolved from mutual enlightenment to the blogger and her readers trading insults. WTF?

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    ELAINE: I don’t control the people who post here. I let them romp around. When people post intelligent things, I express pleasure. But for some reason, the loud mouths are the ones who can’t read very well.

  57. zip

    @JD
    A good book to read is
    The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers: Economic Change and Military Conflict From 1500 to 2000, by Paul Kennedy

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rise_and_Fall_of_the_Great_Powers

  58. emsnews

    Zip, I highly recommend that book. Alas, the author has dumbed himself down lately due to getting too many awards and pats on the back by the ruling elites so he turned into a puppy dog.

    Thankfully, all I get is slaps so I still bite. ARF.

  59. illuminator

    EMS devolves further: points out a typo and doesn’t read the arguments again. Again, no one cares about Babenburgs (one of four spelling variations; really, choose more carefully any really stupid typo arguments, lol). I’m not unlike you or most of the trolls here just agruing, but really , don’t sell yourself as alternate media, when you just use the media’s stories and their inaccurate images.

  60. criticalcontrarian

    @Elaine: you are a teacher when it comes to economics and finance, or even religion, as you have experience in these fields. However, when it comes to spirituality, you are a preacher.

    A word of unsolicited advice, if you want to be a good teacher, stop talking down at people. Elevate the discussion and be more patient, not everyone has a 160 IQ. And work a bit more on your EQ, it will go a long way, trust me on this. 🙂 David was a good teacher, for example.

  61. Jim Dandy

    zip…thanks for the recommendation. Any others would be appreciated.

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