US HYSTERIA OVER NORTH KOREA IS VERY STUPID

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The US is going totally insane over the North Korea missile launch.  For the world’s #1 nuclear bomb manic to complain about others being capable of blowing up stuff, is beyond silly.  China has let us know in no uncertain terms, we must use diplomacy, not threats, on North Korea.  But Obama has to sound like Bush and act like Bush so he looks as stupid as Bush and being a CFR tool, he can’t help but do the wrong thing and beat the war drums.

Obama Threatens North Korea Over Launch | News From Antiwar.com

Early this morning, North Korea, in spite of repeated warnings from the United States and some of its allies,launched its long-range missile test. And while the launch appears to have had mixed results, that did not stop President Obama from condemning it as a “provocation.”

Obama was reportedly awakened at 4:30 AM with news of the test, and from the hostility in his comments he seemed like he could have used a better night’s sleep. In his speech today, Obama declared that “North Korea broke the rules once more by testing a rocket that could be used for a long-range missile.” He added that it “underscores the need for action – not just this afternoon at the UN Security Council, but in our determination to prevent the spread of these weapons.”

The US is the only nation on earth to not only drop nuclear bombs on civilians but who continued to produce these bombs and aim them, via missiles as well as on aircraft, aim them at all the major cities of anyone who we perceive as a potential ‘enemy’.  We set this death machine on a hair trigger system and it is always quite ready to spring into action.

Of all things on earth, this is the most deadly and has the greatest potential of launching WWIII with little to no warning.  If humanity has to deal with real threats, the US nuclear arsenal is right there, at the very top.  By far and away.

Over the years, I have been very irritated by all this.  The US, far from keeping the peace, uses this massive arsenal to threaten everyone on earth and uses it as a carte blanche for unilateral permission to invade any non-nuclear armed nation on earth, with total impunity.  This is because, if any other major nation is against our invasions, we threaten them with total annihilation via nuclear war!  So everyone stands back and lets the US stomp around the planet, slapping other nations, killing millions of people with no permission from the UN, and in general, act the bully boy.

Meanwhile, we piously go about this same planet, armed to the teeth with nuclear bombs, talking about disarmament.  We showed how this works in 2003: a nation totally disarms and tries to appease the UN and lets in inspectors to prove this, the inspectors find no weapons at all and once it is confirmed, the nation is helpless, the US rolls in and butchers the civilians and kills off the leaders and loots the place!

The criminals who ran the US when this crime occurred have not been arrested or charged.  They should be put on trial and then hung until dead.  Instead, they roam the world, issuing threats.  The new leader has begun with fake talk about disarmament while doing exactly like all the previous lying bastards who pretended to be President.  The Doomsday Machine still runs, its deadly clock still ticks away, less than three minutes from midnight.  The Apocalyptic missiles sit ready, primed and waiting to roar forth and kill most humans.

So, when any nation in the line of sight of US military power tries even slightly, to arm themselves, they are subjected to a massive propaganda campaign coupled with amazing amounts of hypocrisy and duplicity.

Russian space control: DPRK satellite not placed in orbit_English_Xinhua

The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK) has not placed its satellite into the near-Earth orbit, Russian media reported Monday.

“Our space control system has not registered the placement of the DPRK satellite into orbit. According to our data, it simply is not there,” the Interfax news agency cited a high-ranking source with the Russian General Staff as saying.

The DPRK’s official media reported Sunday that the country successfully launched a rocket carrying the “Kwangmyongsong-2” communications satellite which entered orbit about 10 minutes after launch.

Neither Russia nor China are very much bothered by all this.  But then, North Korea has no bones to pick with either.  On the other hand, Japan is terrified of a nuclear Korea.  This is their nightmare scenario.  US policy is based on an assumption that Korea and Japan are good allies and the love is spread all over the place.  Japan never paid reparations for the many years of enslavement and criminal actions against Korea.  And Korea hasn’t forgotten this, either.

There are many things that were papered over by the US after WWII.  And we have to fix these now.  They were all frozen in place thanks to the communist revolutions which allowed the US to excuse Japan over the issue of fixing both Korea and China after Japan’s invasions and destructions.  But thanks to the near-total collapse in real US power, things are thawing out.  Countries allied with Japan thanks to the US are now slowly shifting towards an alliance with China, against Japan!

Chinese UN ambassador: Security Council reaction to DPRK launch should be “cautious and proportionate”

The Chinese permanent representative to the United Nations, Ambassador Zhang Yesui, made the statement to the press here at the end of a closed-door meeting of the Security Council. The 15-nation Council on Sunday afternoon held an emergency session on the rocket launch by the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK) at the request of Japan.

“The reaction of the Security Council should be cautious and proportionate,” Zhang said.

“It served the common interests of the international community to continue to promote the Six-Party Talks, achieve denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula and maintain peace and stability on the Peninsula and in Northeast Asia,” he said.

The Chinese don’t want to rock the US or Japanese boats so they always talk cautious while always relentlessly shoving both the US and Japan backwards and out of Korea and Taiwan.  This is a long, slow evolutionary process that has been mostly in favor of Chinese plans of a new Asian power base.

The dissonance this week is painfully obvious: Obama makes a publicity speech about disarming everyone and even leaving the impression, the US might do this too.  Then, in the dead of night, he turns into Dracula and screams for blood and war.  The effort to put the Europeans to sleep ALMOST worked.

People love to pretend, the North Koreans are insane.  They are brutal, they are nasty but they are NOT insane.  Over the years, I notice, they time things so to embarrass the US.  This latest launch is an obvious example.  This rocket had to go off right on the heels of Obama’s faux disarmament speech!  This way, the Koreans demonstrate to the world, the real face of US ‘diplomacy’: bloody, vicious, hair trigger fury and irresponsible threats!

We forget, there is a huge DISARMED audience out there who are rooting for North Korea to embarrass the US.  Huge numbers, billions of people hope the US is embarrassed and thwarted, too.  We are not popular in the UN, for example.  The hope that Obama might change anything at all is rapidly fading.  I pretty much, have given up on him at this point.  On with the show!   A show that ends with our own Götterdämmerunging mess.

The Raw Story | Gingrich: Attack North Korea with electromagnetic pulse

Only hours after North Korea launched a rocket, Newt Gingrich was on television saying the United States should have preemptively attacked the nuclear-armed country – with an electromagnetic pulse.

“We do not appreciate the scale of threat that is evolving on the planet,” the former House Speaker said on Fox News Sunday. “And North Korea is a totally irresponsible dictatorship run by a person who is clearly out of touch with reality.”

Both political parties are war mongers but the GOP is even stupider than the Democrats in this matter.  But the Democrats never have seen a military swamp they could resist jumping into and drowning.  We can thank the Council for Foreign Relations for this stupidity.  This group of infantile imperialists evidently, don’t read any history books, can’t put 2+2 together nor put their big, fat feet into someone else’s sandals.

This nest of incurious iniquity controls our foreign policy along with AIPAC.  They think, we can just IOU our way to imperial power and use bully boy tactics to rule the planet, unilaterally, so the whole world must accept our fiat currency and our fiat proclamations.  The CFR lunatics still think we won not only the Cold War but WWII.  This is utter fantasy.  The US lost the long struggle for power during the last 100 years.  We won several stages and each time, threw the entire victory away, with both hands.  Now, we are squabbling with a tiny, hermitic rump nation and losing every diplomatic encounter.

Poll: Voters back force in N. Korea

American voters across lines of age, party and gender support a military approach to eliminate North Korea’s nuclear capabilities, according to a Rasmussen Reports survey released Sunday morning — and conducted in the two days prior to North Korea’s test missile launch on Saturday.

The poll shows that 57 percent of all voters support such a response, while just 15 percent oppose it. A military response is favored by a majority in both parties — 66 percent of Republicans and 52 percent of Democrats — and by 57 percent of both men and women.

A majority of respondents, 51 percent, also oppose the U.S. offering economic aid to North Korea in exchange for it agreeing to dismantle its nuclear program.

Thanks to the immense amount of propaganda poured over the US like syrup over pancakes, a slight majority of the US public wants WWIII.  It doesn’t help that Zionists and End of Timers want the Apocalypse.  We think, we can rush right up next to China’s flank and bomb, bomb, bomb away with impunity.  We forget nearly all facts about the Korean War, which we did NOT win.  The Communists merely restored the border set by post-war negotiations between China, Russia and the US.  The US, on the other hand, ran our armies all the way to the border of China!

China hasn’t forgotten this tiny detail.  Nor, the details about how all the Western and Japanese military warlords and invaders of all sorts, ripped apart and destroyed China.  This is something the Chinese are very, very touchy about.  And they have nuclear bombs so we can’t bomb, bomb, bomb anything remotely near China.  During the Vietnam war, maniacs tried to get both LBJ and Nixon to nuke the northern borders INTO CHINA to stop the Vietnamese communists!  This would have started WWIII.

Also, notice that South Korea isn’t nearly as hysterical as the US public and Japan!

Senior CPC official: China-ROK ties see rapid growth_English_Xinhua

Li Changchun, a senior official of the Communist Party of China (CPC), said here Monday that the strategic and cooperative partnership between China and the Republic of Korea (ROK) has witnessed rapid growth thanks to concerted efforts made by both.

Li, a member of the Standing Committee of the Political Bureau of the CPC Central Committee, made the remarks when meeting ROK President Lee Myung Bak.

Li first congratulated the successful meeting between Lee and Chinese President Hu Jintao amidst the G20 financial summit in London. Lee, in return, highly spoke of the contribution made by China to the results scored in the summit.

South Korea has probably figured out, the only way to deal with North Korea, is to cooperate with China.  Between them, they can deal with a much weaker, rump nation.  The rockets are NK’s attempt at evening out these negotiations.

Hu-Lee summit is the latest demonstration of high-level exchanges between China and ROK. The two countries, key economic partners to the other, also carry out cooperation in cultural, educational and scientific areas.

“We also strengthen communication and coordination on major global and regional issues, including China-Japan-ROK cooperation, climate change and international financial cooperation, thus ushering the China-ROK strategic and cooperative partnership in a new phase,” Li said.

“The development of relations with ROK takes an important position in China’s foreign policy for neighboring countries,” he added.

What the Dragon wants, the Dragon gets!  Note the ‘IMPORTANT POSITION’ Korea plays in Chinese foreign policy!  No surprise: Korea is Japan’s springboard into Asia!

To further develop such ties, Li suggested both nations maintain high-level exchanges for increasing mutual trust in political area. “Besides governmental contacts, the exchanges between parliaments and political parties should also be strengthened. And the exchanges among political parties should form a mechanism,” he said.

And I hear the death-knell of the US domination of South Korea!  Like Taiwan, South Korea gets to enjoy a huge trade surplus with the US.  But they are not stupid!  Both can see, the US is now so mired in debt, our days of buying, not trading, are ending.  Time to change gears and make nice with the biggest economic/military powerhouse right next door!

Li also proposed to make joint efforts for combating the spreading financial crisis and strengthening mutually beneficial cooperation. “We should adopt effective measures to ensure the steady growth of economic cooperation, increase cooperation in such key areas as energy, telecommunication, finance, logistic and environmental protection, and initiated negotiations of free-trade agreement at an early date,” he said.

Li licked his chops while outlining the desirable aspects of this rising South Korean/Chinese alliance.  And there is still room for the US to do business with both.  But not control either.

International Reserves and Foreign Currency Liquidity – Korea

February 2009
A. Official reserve assets 201,536.00
(1) Foreign currency reserves (in convertible foreign currencies) 201,772.00
(a) Securities 176,915.00
of which: issuer headquartered in reporting country but located abroad
(b) total currency and deposits with: 24,857.00
(i) other national central banks, BIS and IMF 456.00
(ii) banks headquartered in the reporting country
of which: located abroad
(iii) banks headquartered outside the reporting country 24,401.00
of which: located in the reporting country
(2) IMF reserve position 550.00
(3) SDRs 83.00
(4) gold (including gold deposits and, if appropriate, gold swapped)5 76.00
—volume in millions of fine troy ounces 0.46
(5) other reserve assets (specify) -945.00
—financial derivatives

Korea, Navigating through the Global Headwinds, An article by Anoop Singh, Director, Asia and Pacific Department, International Monetary Fund

The Korean economy is one of the most globally integrated in the world, and while this integration has been a key factor behind Korea’s remarkable economic history, there is little doubt that the country is now particularly affected by the global crisis. Korean financial markets were hit particularly hard by the external shocks during October and November, as both domestic and foreign exchange liquidity tightened for banks with large wholesale financing requirements, and foreign investors retrenched from very liquid markets such as Korea. According to preliminary data, the economy contracted by 5.6 percent in the last quarter of 2008, over the previous quarter. Exports declined sharply with plummeting global demand, and this fed through to weaker consumption and investment as well.

Although the carryover effects of the very weak fourth quarter of 2008 mean that the headline growth number for 2009 will be substantially negative, we project that the economy should begin to recover during the second half of this year. A clearer picture for the performance of the economy this year can be seen by the fact that growth in the last quarter of 2009 compared with the last quarter of 2008 is expected to be positive 1 percent. This is broadly in line with projected global growth and above growth for all major advanced economies. Indeed, the Korean economy should return to potential in 2010.

What underpins the projected recovery in Korea? First, fundamentals are strong-the banking system is well capitalized, nonperforming loans are still low, and balance sheets of large corporates are generally healthy, and second, Korean policymakers have taken a comprehensive and forward-looking approach to the global turmoil to maintain these fundamentals. With inflation well under control, monetary policy has appropriately been loosened, while the 2009 budget incorporates important fiscal stimulus. The government has been proactive in ensuring that liquidity in the banking system remains ample despite the tightening of external financing conditions, and has undertaken numerous initiatives to bolster the financial and corporates sectors and to avoid the sharp deleveraging process seen elsewhere, such as through bilateral currency swap arrangements with the U.S., Japan and China.

South Korea imitated Japan and China and built up a big FOREX holding to deal with US double-dealing in world currency markets.  The US is full to the gills with mendacious creeps who openly, yes, OPENLY talk about cheating everyone else via wild inflation.  These rival nations can read graphs pretty good so they know the US money supply has been doubled in less than four months.  AMAZING, isn’t it?  Hardly news in the US, of course!

And they wonder why US voters are so clueless!  More than half of us want to go to war with North Korea as well as Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and Sudan, Somalia….who else is on this mad list?  Of course, we can’t afford to patrol our own cities, much less, smash everyone on earth in a fix of pique!  Any nation offering peace and resolution of the global trading collapse will be the nation running this planet in 20 years.  I despair that the US will figure this obvious, obvious thing out!

WE HAVE NO MONEY.  All the money paying for our massive military and our wild threats is fake money since we can’t borrow anymore from China.  And China hasn’t dropped its own ‘nuclear bomb’: if the US gets militaristic in Asia and threatens anything or anyone on China’s borders, China can and will dump all US currency they hold on world markets and kill our currency totally, and for the next 500 years!  We cannot afford this AT ALL.  EVER.  The game is over.

If China wants to disarm NK, they shall, easily.  With the aid of Russia and South Korea.  We must leave it to them to do this.  China asked us to leave them to do this and we won’t cooperate.  Below is a small sampling of old ‘Baby Dragon’ cartoons that show clearly, the dynamics at work and why it is foolish for Miz Liberty to constantly be seen, freaking out over Baby Dragon’s various antics:

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33 responses to “US HYSTERIA OVER NORTH KOREA IS VERY STUPID

  1. CK

    Tis a shame that they were not able to orbit the satellite; but then not every launch by every nation is a success. In every partial sucess there is learning to be had.

  2. nah

    we definately got major breaches of security at home… a corrupt cabal has infiltrated our finance to carve wealth from necessary government programs… and our government is in collusion with their aims which is short term gain at the cost of long term viability of the US international order… there must be more money in breaking a once great machine ‘CDS insured america paid for by taxpayers’
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    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-53565441845289277&q=nuclear+fision&total=185&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
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    future wealth is ambiguous compared to elite wealth

  3. if

    The Pentagon is spending millions to learn from Israeli’s defeat in the 33-day war on Lebanon, amid fears the US army would be outpowered by Hezbollah in case of a conflict.
    http://tinyurl.com/d4cakm
    Pentagon prepares for war in Lebanon? Financed by?

  4. emsnews

    We all know the way to win wars is to kill as much of the civilian population as possible. This is why we ended WWII with nuclear bombs dropped on women, children and old people.

  5. CK

    @If: you asked: “financed by?” China, or Japan whichever one does not have an oil deal in place for the offshore lebanese fields.
    I can’t fault the pentagon for trying to learn from the failure of another military. It is supposedly cheaper to learn from losers than to be a loser and try to learn after your own defeats.
    In WW2 civilians allowed themselves to be butchered in the millions, because there was no current precedent for them to follow. The last time butchery on that scale of civilians was the norm was during the crusades and the mongol invasions of the middle east and europe. We are only 54 years from the end of WW2. And only 34 years from the end of the Vietnam civilian massacre war. There are still plenty of folks who now do have a precedent. The Israeli’s did their level best to exterminate the civilian population and infrastructure of Beirut and most of norther Lebanon. They failed. Hez was able to protect in the north and give the Israeli’s a bloody defeat in the south. Nukes are different, without nukes the dollar would not be a reserve currency. And as we are seeing, slowly but surely even the with nukes posture is not enough to sustain the dollar.

  6. Gary

    North Korea views the Southern Govt as illegitimate because many of the govt
    officials in the South collaborated with the Japanese after Korea was
    invaded. The Korean war started as a conflict between the hard core
    anti-Japanese resistors and the southern “collaborators”. How much
    of this is true, I dont know, but thats how the problem was originally
    perceived by the north.
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    The equivalent of this in our First World would be if, after WW2, most
    of the leaders of the Vichy Govt assumed the mantle of leadership in the
    new France and the French Resistance, the ones who fought the Nazis, were
    on the outside looking in.

  7. emsnews

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/04/06/north-korea-didnt-win-despite-languid-response-far-rocket-launch/
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    The failure so far of the U.N. Security Council or other international organization to respond to a weekend rocket launch by North Korea does not signal a “win” for the rogue nation, the State Department said Monday.

    Spokesman Robert Wood said the international community is working closely on a coordinated response, and the severity of the violation only puts North Korea farther out on a limb by itself.

    “This kind of action only further isolates the North and the fact that the Security Council is taking a shoe up demonstrates how important it is that we deal with this matter and the need for it to be dealt with and so I would reject any characterization that the North — that this is some kind of a win for the North — it’s not,” he said.
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    HAHAHAHA. This is too pathetic.

  8. Simon

    It is true, most of the WWII Korean resistance fighters operated in.. wait for it, Manchuria! in China, who woulda guessed.
    The civilian colonial government operated out of Seoul, so when the Japanese left there was a power struggle, and the then guerilla leader was assassinated, prompting Kim Il Sung to seize power and break cooperation with the provision government
    The first ROK president Synman Rhee, is a nasty man. Just google it.

  9. PLovering

    “The Pentagon is spending millions to learn from Israeli’s defeat in the 33-day war on Lebanon …”
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    Israel invaded Lebanon with 3500 tanks and complete control of the sea and air.
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    Israel lost a few tanks, a couple of soldiers, and then surrendered.
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    Hezzbulha will take casualties. Israel will not.
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    End of battle.

  10. seraphim

    Yes, CFR and their ilk become more infantile by the day. The hysteria about NK is most likely the rethoric of the “Axis of Evil”, the rogue state against which they must have the missiles in Poland! To show the Czechs and Poles who are against the “shield” that there is indeed a threat from the “rogues”!
    On the other hand americans know that they lost the game, but they can’t admit it openly without loosing face.

  11. Elaine, I love your cartoons! So artfully done, too. Baby Dragon is just so adorable!
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    And so is his brother!

  12. A little off the subject, but recently I’ve been lurking and posting a little over here at Alternate History dot com. I even mentioned you, Elaine! Where I mentioned you in fictitious recent US history/current events: http://alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=117562&page=3 where I warned against US military overspending lest we go bankrupt. Of course, someone had to defend this! (The overspending, that is.) And in this fiction, Vladimir Putin is an even BIGGER warmonger than Bush, and the US is involved in five wars, all at once!

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  14. criticalcontrarian

    This is just too, too funny! Where were these flyboys during 9/11!!! (http://tinyurl.com/cxqdz4) They seem to be pretty good with single engine Cessna pilot’s on a joy ride, yet when it comes to real “terrorizers” they do the stand down dance.

    In fairness, the flyboys are not to blame, the real culprit just finished moving into his new home in McLean, VA. (http://tinyurl.com/ctgm5l) What the flyboys need to do is send a message to all terrorizers that this Neocon’s home is protected by 5,000lb JDAM’s, by practicing their bombing runs over the area. 😉

  15. David

    If the CFR and powers that be are going to keep the masses in a perpetual state of anxiety so they can “protect” them with lots of newly produced weaponry, they have to find or create and evil enemy to propagandize against.
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    Right now, Europeans are dependent on Russia for warmth in winter and most of the world and Asia is dependent upon China for manufactured products and maybe even future financial stability, and both are quite uncontrollable as far as their governments are concerned…a very real, genuine bear that bites back and a big old wise dragon with the ability to breath real fire from his nostrils…
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    Now, since most unarmed peasant areas of the world are already occupied by our “winning” (ha ha ha) forces, the CFR and lackeys need bad guys for the masses to hate. In lieu of Iran Kitty (who will lay a serious clawing and scratching on the US with a shutdown of oil production), North Korea, the baby dragon,is that new bad guy…
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    Why?
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    If I had a fear of dragons, I would not be so afraid of one baby dragon, but I would be very afraid of two baby dragons uniting and becoming another nuclear world power (another big dragon). Blood is always cleaner and clearer and thicker than diplomatic bullshit imposed on these dragons. At some point, they will unite…probably with North Korea as a major player in a new government…that possesses nukes, and the South will become an economic powerhouse that supports and backs up the North’s military fire and teeth…and since these are genuine dragons, by birth, they are very related to the big dragon, China, who lives next door….so no local enemies exist for the dragon populations of the area…except for Japan who wants to export to Asia as the US markets fail because of their carry trade and the mismanagement of American finances.
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    Make no mistake, Korean dragons will fight tooth and nail, very viciously…I saw this in Vietnam…fierce fighters who give no quarter….don’t dare think of messing with them unless you are a very serious warrior…and they never back down…better to leave them alone to their own dragon devices unless you have a perverted, masochistic desire to do some very serious suffering.
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    A united Korea can become the new Japan of Asia…very bright people, nearly equal to the Japanese in manufacturing ability, and an already developed manufacturing-export infrastructure of serious consideration.
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    This is why the CFR and US wants to keep Korea separated forever, but it won’t happen. The blood related baby dragons will unite, and will become a world power…and the US, AS EMPIRE, will further decline….so will Japan who rode the wrong horse to death with its carry trade…the US, its protector. Now, it will have to rearm and expand again…a really bad scenario, because and armed, land and resource starved Japan will look to both the West and East for expansion.
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    The US is declining because it is offering little genuine service to the world anymore except bullying…and this will not sustain us….We need to go to places that need development and have natural resources, and become a true friend and ally, but the dual citizens and cold war era elites, neo-cons and end-times nutcase wolves in our government will cling to the status quo until dragon fire and bear teeth are about to consume them…and then they will try to steal what wealth is left and escape, as some are already doing.
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    With two dragon empires and a bear empire to contend with, the US would be better off to rebuild what it has left at home…and attempt to become a good neighbor in the Americas, but alas, foolish mistakes during the idiot Reagan and Bush years and following, have reduced our credibility so much that it will take a long time to become even a good American neighbor, because of the hubris and hate we have created.
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    Need to get our military home, clean our financial house-redistribute wealth (at least back to the manufacturing sector) and rebuild our manufacturing base…we’re gonna need it if we survive.
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    The world has changed……you fill in the rest.

  16. criticalcontrarian

    The motto American’s should enshrine in their hearts, is: “Cut out the cancer within, yes we will!” Change at home, locally, not in Afghanistan, Iran, or Iraq. One word will make the difference. Accountability. Without it change cannot take place. And it has to start in three places, Wall Street, Washington, and the Federal Reserve. After watching the Moyers – Black interview one realizes just how deep the cut has to be, very deep indeed…

  17. JSmith

    So NK’s Taepo-Dong 2 (translation: “Big Swinging Dong of Dear Leader”) didn’t quite get there, just as their nuke test a while back didn’t quite get there either. Doesn’t matter: we’ll head right back to the negotiating table and find out what they want so we can give it to them.
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    I would very much like to see US forces leave the Korean peninsula: the best present we could give South Korea would be reunification with North Korea. (Did you think German reunification was a mess?)
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    I recall seeing a parody of an NK invasion plan a while back. One part ran, “Sieze and hold all strategic assets, especially grocery stores.”
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    ELAINE: explain the hysteria, Smith.

  18. Dp

    Saw Obama say” North Korea has BROKEN THE RULES.” What rules? Okay – we dont like it it, but please……. What rules? Somebody please tell me. Is that the same “Rules commision” that published the rule stating you must slap down a fence in the supermarket checkout line? Someone actually once told me I broke the”Rules ” in a supermarket when I failed to slap down the “Fence”. Literally told me I broke the rules! Is asked the same thing then – WHAT RULES?

  19. emsnews

    The US has MIRV nuclear missiles on a number of subs. These are extremely nasty things. We use them to hold the world hostage.

  20. JSmith

    “ELAINE: explain the hysteria, Smith.”
    .
    Beats the shit out of me, lady. Leftover red menace nonsense, I suppose. During my entire lifetime, US foreign policy has wasted WAY too much time and effort on chickshit places that don’t matter (i.e., Cuba and NK.)
    .
    “you must slap down a fence in the supermarket checkout line”
    .
    Fence?? What fence? I shop in supermarkets and I’ve no idea what you’re referring to.

  21. emsnews

    They beat the shit out of you every day, Smith. 🙂

  22. emsnews

    A ‘fence’ is the thing you put down between your food and the welfare mom’s food, Smith.

  23. criticalcontrarian

    Anyone wanting to read the latest report the discovery of active thermitic material in dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center catastrophe, can download a copy here: http://tinyurl.com/dgllll

    Somehow one of the positive things coming out of a collapsing empire is a lot of Truth. I’m starting to seriously ask myself, what isn’t a lie? 😦

  24. JSmith

    “A ‘fence’ is the thing you put down between your food and the welfare mom’s food, Smith.”
    .
    You mean those plastic bar things? I generally use self-checkout. I’m faster than that 20-something with all the tats and piercings and I don’t bag the canned stuff on top of the bread and eggs.

  25. CK

    Is the price charged when one does self-checkout cheaper than the price charged when a store employee does the checkout?
    If there is no discount to the buyer when the buyer does the work of a store employee, then the buyer is getting ripped.
    I can certainly appreciate how much the store’s owners love the idea of self checkout and self bagging. Buyer does the work unpaid, and the store’s employees are dispensable.

  26. CK

    A fence is that which turns ill-gotten things into play money.

  27. isha

    Now Elaine is talking about school and the education (indoctrination process)…Some professors of these elite schools are talking about North Korea, and you can basically see their thinking process from their blog… Alas, when the “best minds “at the core of the empire couldn’t even think straight, what can you expect? Smells like Nero’s Rome…

    I especially like this “The reason we can’t just ignore NK is that they are collaborating in proliferation efforts with other unpleasant states all around the world. Only a few months ago the Israelis had to bomb a suspiciously NK reactor-ish looking building in Syria…”

    Hahahahaha!!! I am just speechless…

    I would like to see the response from comments from Elaine and other posters here; maybe you can even post your opinions there?

    For what, enlighten the “enlightener”? Is it even possible?

    Isha

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    http://uselesstree.typepad.com/useless_tree/2009/04/north-koreaagain.html#comments

    North Korea…Again
    Let me turn away for a moment from my usual focus on ancient Chinese thought, and consider the North Korean nuclear question.

    In one of my courses (“The International Politics of East Asia”), we have been discussing North Korea for the past week and a half. Students have read Bruce Cumings’ book, North Korea, for background, and we have read several articles that outline the US debate over what to do about that country’s nuclear ambitions.

    So, we were ready when the North Korea missile launch came into the headlines over the past several weeks. Today’s news that Pyongyang is threatening to rebuild its nuclear facilities is thus not a surprise; rather, it is a depressing eternal return…

    Yesterday, I asked my students what the US should do about North Korea, and they came up with some principles. First, there was a fairly broad feeling in the classroom that the issue must be handled multilaterally, within the context of the Six Party Talks. This is sensible. The failures of the early Bush administration were rooted in its doggedly unproductive unilateralism. The US obviously has an important role to play in the whole affair, but its actions must be coordinated with those of China, South Korea and Japan.

    Another principle was expressed in language that might not be familiar to some of the older analysts out there:

    Don’t feed the troll.

    This struck me as quite perceptive. It recognizes that much of what North Korea does is a matter of creating a kind of shock to produce a threat that it can then trade for resources. They want us to get anxious and worried. If that is what they want, then obviously we should keep our cool. We cannot completely ignore them. Quite the contrary, this is important business and needs to be a fairly high priority for US foreign policy. But neither should we be drawn into their tantrums and manipulations. We need to control the agenda. The missile firing is a side-show to the main nuclear event. The North is using it to gain leverage in the Six Party Talks. We need to recognize it as a violation but not let it determine what our interests and strategies should for the broader nuclear issues. Don’t feed the troll but focus on the key issues.

    Of course, if we downplay the missile firing, they might come up with some other distraction. I’m imaging that since the Somali pirate sage drew media attention away from the NK missile over the weekend, Kim Jong-il might now be planning on creating his own pirate band. It might get him some more face time on CNN…

    More seriously, however, I still think that the US needs to change the game with NK. For too long we have been in a reactive position: they create some threat, we respond. They are the ones driving the dynamic of the situation. What if we totally reversed the flow and suddenly gave them much of what they say they want: formal diplomatic recognition; expanded economic ties; a reiteration of the security guarantee of 2005 (in the context of the Six Party Talks); hell, invite Kim to the Oscars next year. Give them many, many carrots which, in the intermediate term, could create new sources of leverage for us (once you give a carrot, you can then threaten to take it away…). In other words, let’s do what I have been arguing for some time: flood the zone.

    North Korea is clearly a problem for the US, China, Japan and South Korea. But our polices have not been working for many years now. Perhaps it’s time for something new (though I recognize that domestic US politics makes this highly unlikely). Why not follow these guidelines:

    Don’t feed the troll.

    Flood the zone.

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    For me, there’s a more elemental thing we can do — dismantle our own nuclear capabilities! It’s extremely hypocritical for the nation with the largest nuclear stockpile to run around the world wagging their finger at other countries for trying to develop nuclear weapon capabilities.

    Posted by: The Rambling Taoist | April 14, 2009 at 01:22 PM

    Here’s a new tack…How about we just ignore them. No aid, no nothing. Let the North Koreans eat their nuclear weapons if they get hungry. Support South Korea, miliarily if needed. But screw the North. For far too long they have been yanking our chain. Let China and Russia know that we have had it and it is their problem, and if the North atacks the south, we will use our nukes on the North to solve this problem once and for all.

    Posted by: Peter Chisteckoff | April 14, 2009 at 07:30 PM

    “we will use our nukes on the North to solve this problem once and for all”…

    Once and for all?

    Posted by: isha | April 14, 2009 at 10:35 PM

    I wasn’t aware that the US had pursued a ‘unilateralist’ policy with respect to North Korea. In fact, I thought the complaint during Bush II was that the US was being recalcitrant and obstructive in refusing to enter into one-on-one negotiations with NK. Of course, the only reason that NK wants these bilateral talks is so that it can blackmail the US alone for aid, and renege on the deal by claiming some transgression or other later. With the other states involved, their interests are also involved and that game’s a bit harder to play. This may be a moot point anyway, since NK hasn’t given much indication that it’s going to abide by any agreements no matter how many people are sitting at the table.

    Rambling Taoist: If the US dismantles its own nuclear capability, then it puts itself at the mercy of the nuclear states like Russia, China, Pakistan, North Korea, … even (shudder) France. On the other hand, if the US cooperates with all the other states to dismantle its weapons then only those who are willing to cheat on an agreement to get a military advantage will retain the power of eliminating the US (See previous list.) You might like to rethink that recommendation.

    Peter: Being able to just ignore them would be nice. I’m sure we’d all like to be able to just ignore things that are hard. The reason we can’t just ignore NK is that they are collaborating in proliferation efforts with other unpleasant states all around the world. Only a few months ago the Israelis had to bomb a suspiciously NK reactor-ish looking building in Syria. There are also connections with Pakistan and Iran. No, I fear this is one of those things that one just has to hold one’s nose and get on with.

    Posted by: SteveGW | April 15, 2009 at 09:06 AM

    Flood the zone

    I completely agree, on both strategic and humanitarian grounds.

    On the full disarmament issue, there are so few circumstances under international law of war or reasonable ethical considerations in which use of a nuclear weapon would be justifiable that it doesn’t make sense to have more than a bare minimum deterrent force anyway. Not if we’re going to claim the moral high ground (and I know, we have some climbing before we get back there on international law) on anything.

  28. isha

    http://mediamonarchy.blogspot.com/2009/04/death-of-william-bennett-cia-contract.html

    Elaine:

    I am very, very curious on your comment on this piece of new?

    What is going on here?

    Did Pres. Clinton ordered the bombing of Chinese embassy or some elements arranged that behind his back?

    Something is very fishy here.

    Isha

  29. emsnews

    Isha, I have many baby dragon cartoons and stories that show how NK deliberately whacks the US every time we bluster at Iran. This isn’t because Iran is coordinating this. It is because it is FUN for NK to do this. They watch the news online and then act when it is most inconvenient for the US. Just like the Muslims who oppose us watch the economic news very closely. They know their long-range strategy is paying off.
    .
    Clinton was not for bombing the Chinese embassy. This was a ‘black ops’ thing. Since the data came from the the spook community in DC, they obviously wanted to screw Clinton with the Chinese. It backfired, of course. Then, they cooperated with Mossad to let terrorists attack the WTC…..

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